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Related: About this forumGood news: Europe: Not as secular as you think
From the article:
Despite the regions widespread secularization, 71 percent of the 24,599 adults Pew surveyed in 15 countries still identify as Christians, even if only 22 percent say they attend church at least once a month.
To read more:
https://religionnews.com/2018/05/29/not-so-secular-survey-finds-a-large-group-of-nonpracticing-christians-in-europe/
What can I say?
What should I say?
What does thousands of years of history show us?
Ferrets are Cool
(21,063 posts)An opinion I do not share, but to each his/her own.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Have a good day.
Cartoonist
(7,298 posts)even if only 22 percent say they attend church at least once a month.
Pretty impressive number, not. That's all they can manage after 2000 years?
. . . still identify as Christians.
But are they real Christians?
Mariana
(14,849 posts)As far as I'm concerned, if they say they're Christian, they're Christian, regardless of whether some survey taker or analyst thinks they actually practice Christianity.
However, there is some excellent news here. If so few are going to church regularly, they probably aren't dragging their kids there to be indoctrinated week after week. That's good news for the children who are being spared that experience.
Cartoonist
(7,298 posts)That's why republicans, calling themselves Christians, are trying to put god back in school.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)He obviously didn't read it very closely.
Voltaire2
(12,626 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)at the irony of your response.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)So your hope, as expressed in your response, is not supported by the survey.
Major Nikon
(36,814 posts)It also says only 14% of Christians in Western Europe say religion is very important to them, compared to almost 70% of US Christians.
People in Western Europe still get married in churches, but nobody believes the hocus pocus anymore.
samir.g
(835 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,154 posts)In this survey, the total for all religions apart from Christianity (median of all countries) was 5% , so as well as Muslim, that's Hindu, Buddhist, Sikh and Judaism (and maybe one or 2 others).
Some specific Muslim figures:
France 7.5%
Belgium 7%
Netherlands 6%
Germany 5%
UK 4.8%
Italy 3.7%
compared to the median 8% 'atheist' and 13% "nothing in particular" inside the 24% "religiously unaffiliated" for Europe.
msongs
(67,199 posts)even billions
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)At least you did not say trillions.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Would you rather have theocracy?
Fortunately that's only your spin. Europe's Christians are on par with the United State's "nones" in terms of their religious beliefs.
https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2018/may/pew-western-europe-christians-religious-practice-us-nones.html
Only 27 percent of American nones say they believe in God with absolute certainty; only 23 percent of Western European Christians say the same.
Only 13 percent of American nones say religion is very important in their lives; only 14 percent of Western European Christians say the same.
Only 20 percent of American nones say they pray daily; only 18 percent of Western European Christians say the same.
By some of these standard measures of religious commitment, stated Pew researchers, American nones are as religious asor even more religious thanChristians in several European countries, including France, Germany and the UK.
That IS good news. We agree!
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)An interesting world that you live in.
Major Nikon
(36,814 posts)I'll patiently wait for your canned response.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)a world where each respects the beliefs and choices of everyone else?
Major Nikon
(36,814 posts).
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Secularism!
Not a 3rd choice, though, so you failed to provide an answer that wasn't a non-sequitur. Thanks for playing. Better luck next time.
Voltaire2
(12,626 posts)How about prosperity bible Christianity?
Major Nikon
(36,814 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)Do you?
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,867 posts)I mean, according to your standard, I have to respect his religious right to force underage girls into marriage with them and subsequently rape them. GOOD NEWS.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Good job, Billy. Well done.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Either you base your government on religion, or you don't.
Major Nikon
(36,814 posts)The vast majority of adults in the United States, like the majority of Western Europeans, continue to identify as Christian (71%). But on both sides of the Atlantic, growing numbers of people say they are religiously unaffiliated (i.e., atheist, agnostic or nothing in particular). About a quarter of Americans (23%, as of 2014) fit this description, comparable to the shares of nones in the UK (23%) and Germany (24%).
Yet Americans, overall, are considerably more religious than Western Europeans. Half of Americans (53%) say religion is very important in their lives, compared with a median of just 11% of adults across Western Europe. Among Christians, the gap is even bigger two-thirds of U.S. Christians (68%) say religion is very important to them, compared with a median of 14% of Christians in the 15 countries surveyed across Western Europe. But even American nones are more religious than their European counterparts. While one-in-eight unaffiliated U.S. adults (13%) say religion is very important in their lives, hardly any Western European nones (median of 1%) share that sentiment.
Similar patterns are seen on belief in God, attendance at religious services and prayer. In fact, by some of these standard measures of religious commitment, American nones are as religious as or even more religious than Christians in several European countries, including France, Germany and the UK.
From the same study.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Or this?
Major Nikon
(36,814 posts)So thanks for being both redundant and self-contradictory all in the same post. You should be commended for it.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Too damn funny.
Major Nikon
(36,814 posts)Yet when faced with this information, the best reply he can come up with is asking me if I read the very section I posted that destroys his claim.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)The part where he quoted and highlighted the passage you quoted back at him?
That's the most hilarious thing I've read here in a loong time
Mariana
(14,849 posts)Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)SamKnause
(13,043 posts)Just my 2 cents.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)But have a nice day.