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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 11:00 AM Jul 2019

Archaeologists discover shrine to Apostle Peter in Israel's Galilee

Excavations in Israel's Galilee have uncovered remains of an ancient church said to mark the home of the apostles Peter and Andrew, the dig's archaeological director said Friday. Mordechai Aviam of Kinneret Academic College, on the shore of the Sea of Galilee in northern Israel, said this season's dig at nearby El-Araj confirmed it as the site of Bethsaida, a fishing village where Peter and his brother Andrew were born according to the Gospel of John.

The Byzantine church was found near remnants of a Roman-era settlement, matching the location of Bethsaida as described by the first century AD Roman historian Flavius Josephus, Aviam said.

The newly-discovered church, Aviam added, fitted the account of Willibald, the Bavarian bishop of Eichstaett who visited the area around 725 AD and reported that a church at Bethsaida had been built on the site of Peter and Andrew's home. "Between Capernaum and Kursi there is only one place where a church is described by the visitor in the eighth century and we discovered it, so this is the one," Aviam said.

Christians recognize Saint Peter, originally a fisherman, as one of the first followers of Jesus and the leader of the early Church following the ascension. The Catholic Church also venerates him as its first pope.

https://www.dailysabah.com/history/2019/07/19/archaeologists-discover-shrine-to-apostle-peter-in-israels-galilee

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Archaeologists discover shrine to Apostle Peter in Israel's Galilee (Original Post) left-of-center2012 Jul 2019 OP
Proof that Paul existed Cartoonist Jul 2019 #1
So, in the article, it says that this church is from the Byzantine period. MineralMan Jul 2019 #2
Well ... left-of-center2012 Jul 2019 #3
See, that's the difference between science and religion. MineralMan Jul 2019 #4
So left-of-center2012 Jul 2019 #5
I left it over 50 years ago. MineralMan Jul 2019 #6
Reminds me of a guy I know left-of-center2012 Jul 2019 #7
Don't care. Done... MineralMan Jul 2019 #8
Does this guy you know smoke or doesn't he? Mariana Jul 2019 #15
This Group exists for the purpose of discussing religion. Mariana Jul 2019 #9
Nowhere did I say it wasn't 'to my liking' left-of-center2012 Jul 2019 #13
Nowhere did I say you said that. Mariana Jul 2019 #14
Yeah well then don't make scientific claims. Voltaire2 Jul 2019 #10
Alternatively, we are told over and over that religious belief is a matter of faith. trotsky Jul 2019 #11
It's built in, the purported miracles... NeoGreen Jul 2019 #12

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
2. So, in the article, it says that this church is from the Byzantine period.
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 03:54 PM
Jul 2019

So, that means it can't really have existed before 300 AD, at the earliest.

I can't see how that proves anything about Peter or Andrew. That was many generations after they were supposed to have lived.

Was it built on the site of Peter and Andrews home? Who knows. We have only some Bishop's word on that from around 725 AD.

Evidence of nothing, actually.

More argle-garble from the faithful, based on guesswork and old stories with questionable provenance. It's like a "George Washington Slept Here" sign on an 18th century building in New England that has been converted into a bed and breakfast, with the sign hung by the owner. It might be true, but most likely it's not.

We can't be sure of many things from three centuries ago, especially when they involve people who might have been somewhere that no longer exists.

No doubt they have found a Byzantine-period church. The rest is speculation and wishful thinking, almost certainly.

Next they'll dig up an 2000-year-old sandal in Jerusalem and claim Jesus lost it on the way to the cross. It is a sandal, and can be dated to that time, but there's no viable connection to any individual, any more than the flip-flop I lost in Santa Barbara in 1965 is the one someone dug up on Black's Beach last month. It's possible, but there's no way to prove it.

Proof of Jesus? Let him descend from the heavens on a cloud in the center of Jerusalem. Hundreds of cell phone cameras will capture video of that.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
3. Well ...
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 04:56 PM
Jul 2019

The Bible says there will always be 'doubters' and 'naysayers'.

I find it a bit funny how some get so upset over religion being 'false'.
Take it or leave it, I say.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
4. See, that's the difference between science and religion.
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 07:52 PM
Jul 2019

With science, everything used as evidence has to be true and verifiable. With religion, you just have to believe things are true, evidence or not. Science is hard; religion is easy.

See how that works?

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
6. I left it over 50 years ago.
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 08:06 PM
Jul 2019

I still talk about it, though, here and elsewhere. I can do that, you see, if I wish to.

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
15. Does this guy you know smoke or doesn't he?
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 02:54 PM
Jul 2019

If he doesn't smoke, then he has quit smoking, by definition.

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
9. This Group exists for the purpose of discussing religion.
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 11:39 PM
Jul 2019

All opinions about religion and religious topics are welcome here. If that kind of conversation about religion isn't to your liking, there are several Groups that strictly prohibit any disagreement or questions about the veracity of religious claims.

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
14. Nowhere did I say you said that.
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 02:52 PM
Jul 2019

I said, "IF" it isn't to your liking...

Please don't put words in my 'mouth'.

Voltaire2

(12,965 posts)
10. Yeah well then don't make scientific claims.
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 06:06 AM
Jul 2019

Archeology is science not religion. You want to stay in your faith lane, fine, but don’t wander over into the science lane and then get all huffy when people start honking their horns.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
11. Alternatively, we are told over and over that religious belief is a matter of faith.
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 08:46 AM
Jul 2019

Strange how some get so desperate to try and create real world "evidence" of their religion, isn't it?

NeoGreen

(4,031 posts)
12. It's built in, the purported miracles...
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 08:52 AM
Jul 2019

...listed through-out the bible' are the 'evidence' that is supposed to convince the veracity of the magic-sky-god claim.

The 'gotta-believe-through-faith-alone' falls to the wayside when they present the big lie upfront, as in "here and here are small examples of it's majesty, and therefore the whole story is real'.

Even their method is BS.

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