Religion
Related: About this forumWere the deaths of the victims in the Sikh shooting God's will?
People often explain inexplicable things by attributing them to God's will. It's something we hear frequently after all sorts of natural disasters and other horrible events. We cannot explain adequately why these things happen, so we attribute the unfortunate incidents to the will of a deity. "It's all part of God's plan," some people say when confronted with a horrible event.
Well, to any atheist, it is clear that such things are never the will of any deity. Natural disasters are, by definition disasters caused by natural events, not supernatural events. People sometimes die due to natural events. Where is the comfort in attributing such things to the will of a deity.
In Wisconsin, an angry man pulled out a firearm and killed several people in their place of worship. The cause of their death was the stupidity, anger, and mindless hatred in that individual human being. No deity was involved. They were killed by a human being. No supernatural will was required. Such things happen with some regularity, because human beings are capable of hatred, anger, and stupidity.
It is a terrible tragedy that those peaceful Sikh people were murdered by a man full of hatred. It is a terrible tragedy that a two-year-old child dies of Wilm's Tumor, an incurable cancer that strikes young children down while they are just toddlers. The daughter of a friend of mine died that way. Her friends told her that it was God's will that she died when she did. They were wrong, and they are no longer that grieving mother's friends. Cancer killed that child. An angry, bigoted, stupid man killed those Sikh worshippers. The tornado killed the family in Kansas.
God's will does nothing of that kind, and if it did, who could worship such a deity that would will such a tragedy. God's will does not make Mitt Romney wealthy, either. There is no supernatural cause for any of those effects.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)MineralMan
(146,284 posts)say that? I did not. Have you never heard anyone say such a thing? I'm bringing it up because I'm pretty sure we have all heard people say such a thing. I've heard pastors say that very thing. It's a commonplace. Thanks for your reply.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Animal Chin
(175 posts)If you're an athiest, it obviously is not God's will.
If you do believe in God, then it depends on whether you believe that everything that happens is God's will.
I do believe in God, but I do not purport to know or understand God's will. Therefore, my personal answer to your question is "I don't know."
cbayer
(146,218 posts)humblebum
(5,881 posts)Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)then he's a fucking asshole."
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)This is Lutheran doctrine according to a friend of mine. I think that the people that died, got more bullet than they could handle. I am probably wrong about that. I don't know what to call an event like this, tragic doesn't seem to cover it. This is just so profoundly sad on so many levels. I think these things are preventable to a degree. The man shouldn't have been allowed to purchase a gun. I think it's time to ask that people be required to go through vigorous training and psych evaluations before getting a gun.
MineralMan
(146,284 posts)I suppose it's supposed to be comforting in some way. I've never found it so.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)I found it to be a more callous statement than anything. This line of reasoning could be a way out of helping people, you know because, God thinks they can handle it. I just find religion in general to be a useless way to figure things out.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)was dealing with more than they could handle.
MineralMan
(146,284 posts)And to the point.
MineralMan
(146,284 posts)"There, but for the grace of God, go you or I." In this often spoken, but seldom understood, phrase, people again express their belief that they are only alive because some deity hasn't killed them for some reason. Never mind that people everywhere are still alive, with or without any belief in deities. It is a fatalistic sort of thing to say, and not a hopeful one, either. It is along the same line as calling disasters "the will of God."
msongs
(67,394 posts)MineralMan
(146,284 posts)And there you have it, I guess. But that's not my superstition. I'm a longtime atheist.