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rug

(82,333 posts)
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 08:21 AM Aug 2012

Religious group, Natrona County officials find solution to keep sweat lodge burning



6 hours ago • By ELYSIA CONNER Casper Star-Tribune

CASPER, Wyo. — Fire bans threatened to halt a weekly spiritual ceremony in Natrona County, but participants and county officials worked out a solution to continue services at a local sweat lodge.

The Sunday sweats will continue, thanks to a county-owned military fire truck placed beside the sweat lodge at Steve Weber's home near Edness K. Wilkins State Park east of Casper.

Firefighters responded to a report of smoke at Weber's property recently and found a group participating in the American Indian spiritual ceremony.

Weber presented a case of religious rights before Natrona County officials last week, explaining the importance of the ceremony that connects people with a higher power.

http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/wyoming/religious-group-natrona-county-officials-find-solution-to-keep-sweat/article_b1838f9c-3a36-5521-8817-3341d9c58af9.html?comment_form=true

Common sense accommodation or state/church entanglement? What would FFRF do?

This is the county truck. The sweat lodge is above.

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Religious group, Natrona County officials find solution to keep sweat lodge burning (Original Post) rug Aug 2012 OP
Good for them newfie11 Aug 2012 #1
It looks a lot like the one I was in on the Pine Ridge Reservation. rug Aug 2012 #2
Lol newfie11 Aug 2012 #8
Freedom of religion skepticscott Aug 2012 #3
Due to the fire ban, the ceremony would have been unlawful, whether or not there was any consequence rug Aug 2012 #4
That is one of the most unappealing things I have ever seen. cbayer Aug 2012 #5
It's cozier than it looks. rug Aug 2012 #6
And how is the aroma? cbayer Aug 2012 #7
The aroma is sage newfie11 Aug 2012 #9
I'm going to pass on this experience. cbayer Aug 2012 #10
I did it out of curiosity newfie11 Aug 2012 #11
I agree that they should have the right to do it and that fire protection cbayer Aug 2012 #12
 

rug

(82,333 posts)
2. It looks a lot like the one I was in on the Pine Ridge Reservation.
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 08:35 AM
Aug 2012

That one was larger though and had peyote soup.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
3. Freedom of religion
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 09:18 AM
Aug 2012

or anything else is accompanied by responsibility for the consequences of its exercise. How about just telling them that they're free to burn things under these conditions, but that they will bear FULL legal and financial responsibility for any wildfires that start, the costs of suppressing them, any property damage that results, as well as any deaths? Then see if their ceremony is important enough for that.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
4. Due to the fire ban, the ceremony would have been unlawful, whether or not there was any consequence
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 09:27 AM
Aug 2012

Therefore, some accommodation would have to be made or it could not legally occur.

The article doesn't report one way or another, but there doesn't appear to be any water supply nearby and there appears to be a drought in the county.

So, two things happened:

1) This ceremony was exempted from the fire ban that otherwise applied to everyone else in the county, and

2) A government water truck was loaned for the purpose of allowing a private religious ceremony.

I think it was the right and humane thing to do regardless of an apparent entanglement.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
5. That is one of the most unappealing things I have ever seen.
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 10:38 AM
Aug 2012

At any rate, looks like common sense accommodation to me.

newfie11

(8,159 posts)
9. The aroma is sage
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 11:44 AM
Aug 2012

Burning in a fire in the middle of the lodge. It was difficult for me to breath.

newfie11

(8,159 posts)
11. I did it out of curiosity
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 12:04 PM
Aug 2012

And having many Lakota friends when working at the hospital in Eagle Butte. It is not something I would do again but I feel they should have the right to do it. Maybe I would have liked it more if I had payote Lol.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
12. I agree that they should have the right to do it and that fire protection
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 12:19 PM
Aug 2012

is appropriate.

But, for me, the whole thing seems claustrophobic and the addition of hallucinogens would probably just freak me out.

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