So…do they stamp a symbol on the side of the cockpit for each one?

[rug]

Jan 20 2013
by PZ Myers

A while back, one of the assholes claimed that it was people like me and Ed Brayton who were dividing the atheist community — that we were creating deep rifts over irrelevant issues. Wait, scratch that…it wasn’t one of the assholes, but all of them. But what I’ve seen instead is that they are the people driving others out of the movement.

The latest? We’re losing Natalie Reed.

The reasons for this are complex and numerous, but most of them relate to feeling a lot of alienation from the Atheist Community, a lot of fear about the increasingly hostile attacks on women within that community, and the fact that my efforts to distance myself from all that while keeping my blog here haven’t really worked out. I’m still a target, and some of the stuff that Jen, Ophelia and Greta have had to deal with lately have been outright scary. Skepticism and Atheist just aren’t important enough to me to feel comfortable putting myself in the way of that for their sake.

I really can’t blame her, either. Why fight for a movement rife with people who despise your kind, and who are probably now capering with glee at having silenced one more woman?

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/01/20/so-do-they-stamp-a-symbol-on-the-side-of-the-cockpit-for-each-one/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+freethoughtblogs%2Fpharyngula+%28FTB%3A+Pharyngula%29

http://freethoughtblogs.com/nataliereed/2013/01/19/big-sad-announcement/

[Fumesucker]

1. Wow, organized atheism has become large enough for schisms

Hoocoodanoed?

[cbayer]

3. Growing pains and what appears to be a significant degree of misogyny in some quarters.

Not surprising considering some of the early leadership.

[cbayer]

2. Calling them assholes ought to go a long way in healing the rift.

[JoeyT]

7. Assholes is a kind term.

Threatening to out a transgender woman if she doesn't STFU and stop talking about you or supporting someone that does puts you well into asshole territory.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/nataliereed/2012/08/10/all-in/

This led to something really creepy and scary when Thunderf00t began threatening to publish the confidential contents of FTB’s private listserv, to “prove” that I’d been “lying” about his behaviour. When I reminded him of the ethical problems with this, and hinted at the real danger it poses to me, he laughed and suggested that his treatment by PZ and FTB as a whole justified any actions he wanted to take. Soon after, several of the group who’ve sided themselves against FTB in the growing, petty, awful little “rift” of the atheist blogosphere began accusing me of attempting to bury evidence and hide the truth.

[cbayer]

8. Is that what this is about? Honestly, just like with DU's meta, I don't get into

the internecine details of these wars.

I just know that some of these organizations appear to have problems around the way women are being treated and hope that they can more positively address these problems.

[okasha]

4. This suggests a new billboard.

How about «Misogynist Without God?»

[mr blur]

5. No, that would be you.

[rug]

6. What's the matter, your Mark Twain thread didn't go as you hoped?