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rug

(82,333 posts)
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 07:05 PM Jan 2013

Atheists respond in their thousands to ‘census’, but can we trust the data?

Posted: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:38 by Stewart Ware

In an attempt to capture demographic data on the non-religious, Atheist Alliance International has set up the Atheist Census. The aim is to capture each participant's religious background, educational level, age, sex and country of residence. In addition, participants are asked which non-religious term they would choose to refer to themselves, which include 'atheist', 'humanist' and 'freethinker'.

The census website was launched in early December 2012 but crashed several hours later owing to a denial of service attack. It is not possible to determine who was behind the attack, but naturally suspicions fall on religious groups. It was re-launched without incident a week later. The census appears to have no closing date, which means it has the potential to collect data indefinitely, funding permitting: it also solicits donations. At the time of writing, one month after the re-launch, the site had attracted nearly 170,000 responses from around the world.

The first thing to strike the casual observer is that this is not a census as normally perceived. A census according to one dictionary definition is "an official count or survey, especially of a population". Censuses are carried out by governments to gather information on the country's population, their location, age, household occupancy and so on. Participation is compulsory. This contrasts with the Atheist Census which is entirely voluntary with the participants being self-selecting. The census bears more relation to a survey conducted by a market research organisation, except that the former is 'opt-in' while the latter is 'opt-out'. A normal survey is driven by the organisation conducting it while this census is mainly driven by those who choose active participation.

Another difference is that the Atheist Census is entirely web-based with no user identification required other than an email address, which opens it up to potential abuse by participants using multiple email addresses, although this is mitigated by the time and trouble that people would experience in setting up each new email address, completing the census web form, waiting for the email confirmation email to arrive and responding by clicking on the link in the email. However, people who habitually use multiple email addresses will find the task less onerous.

http://www.secularism.org.uk/blog/2013/01/atheists-respond-in-their-thousands-to-census-but-can-we-trust-the-data

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cbayer

(146,218 posts)
1. While the results may be interesting, they will in no way be "valid".
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 07:13 PM
Jan 2013

Like any other voluntary web-based survey (and this is a survey, not a census), the results are unverifiable and bear no resemblance to anything scientific.

But, like I said, the results could still be interesting. One thing already reported is the over-representation of men. It would also be interesting to see numbers of race and economic group.

If the growing organizations want to further their successes, they will need to both diversify and become more sensitive to under-represented populations, imo.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
3. Nevertheless, church attendance has been declining over the last couple of decades.
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 07:33 PM
Jan 2013

There might be some upward blips here and there, but overall rates are dropping. This survey may reflect that or it might be untrustworthy, it really doesn't matter either way, It's not going to make someone think, hey I am wasting my time at church or another to think you know I have been lax in my church attendance. The numbers of church goers (also self reported) are going down and they are dropping a bit more than the self reporters would lead survey takers to believe. As it says in the link, they aren't being deceitful they believe they attend more than they do.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_attendance

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
5. Yes of course it does southern regions tend to talk longer to catch up.
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 07:50 PM
Jan 2013

Yet overall attendance has still been in decline. I can't see mosque attendance doing anything but go up though for a couple of generations as we get more immigrants from Islamic countries.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
7. I actually prefer to not evaluate religion at all.
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 07:58 PM
Jan 2013

I haven't attended church for decades now. I don't miss it and I don't miss being around fundies or even liberal church goers. It just leaves me cold. Something is missing in their life and it's heartbreaking to me. So, whatever, it makes no difference in my daily life how many people go to church or don't go. Some religions will hold on to more people that others. I predict the fundamental churches will lose members faster, just because hate is such an unattractive quality and it tends to kill people faster.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
11. Awesome.
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 08:07 PM
Jan 2013

I hope that not drinking has contributed to your overall health and happiness. Not to imply you quit an addiction, but that is sort of how it reads. If you have quit I am happy to hear it. My brother quit his and he is a lot happier and healthier now, 8 years sober.

dimbear

(6,271 posts)
14. It's like Albert Einstein said, "this new internet thing shows promise and we should trust it." n/t
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 08:34 PM
Jan 2013
 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
15. I have no idea. But we must all immediately and permanently cease all spiritual thoughts
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 08:35 PM
Jan 2013

and activities. And all churches must be destroyed and their assets seized.

Religion is impermissible. Ignore what the Constitution says. Obey the religion haters or else.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
16. Lol. Read a similar response of yours in another thread (meta?) and
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 08:39 PM
Jan 2013

appreciated it.

Religion has always been and will most likely always be a wedge issue, but I hate to see how some use it divide on this site.

It's so counter-productive and a classically effective LW tactic. There is nothing about that that helps us reached our shared goals.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
17. Furthermore
Tue Jan 22, 2013, 01:52 AM
Jan 2013

your failure to respond will be noted (by someone or other) and you will become a self admitted horrible person (also according to someone or other.)

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