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Related: About this forumSantorum: Rape Babies are Gifts from God
Morgan pressed Santorum on the issue and asked how he would feel if his own daughter came to him begging for an abortion after being raped. Santorum said, I think the right approach is to accept this horribly created - in the sense of rape - but nevertheless a gift in a very broken way, the gift of human life, and accept what God has given to you.
He added that rape victims ought to make the best of a bad situation.
MORGAN: On abortion, you did harden your position on that as you got older. Why was that?http://crooksandliars.com/diane-sweet/santorum-rape-babies-are-gifts-god
SANTORUM: Life. You know, when I decided to run for public life, I was informed very quickly people wanted to know what my position on that was. So I went through the process of trying to better understand the facts.
It became very clear to me that life begins at conception and persons are covered by the Constitution and since life -- people, a human life is the same as a person, to me it was a pretty simple deduction to make. That's what the Constitution clearly intended to protect.
MORGAN: But do you really -- do you really -- let me ask you this. Do you really believe, in every case, it should be totally wrong, in the sense that -- I know that you believe, even in cases of rape and incest -- and you've got two daughters. You know, if you have a daughter that came to you who had been raped.
SANTORUM: Yes.
MORGAN: And was pregnant and was begging you to let her have an abortion, would you really be able to look her in the eye and say, no, as her father?
SANTORUM: I would do what every father must do, is to try to counsel your daughter to do the right thing.
(CROSSTALK)
MORGAN: It's an almost impossibly hypothetical thing to ask you, but there will be people in that position, and they will share your religious values.
SANTORUM: It's not a matter of religious values.
MORGAN: And they are looking at their daughter ,saying, how can I deal with this, because if I make her have this baby, isn't it going to just ruin her life?
SANTORUM: Well, you can make the argument that if she doesn't have this baby, if she kills her child, that that, too, could ruin her life. And this is not an easy choice. I understand that. As horrible as the way that that son or daughter and son was created, it still is her child. And whether she has that child or doesn't, it will always be her child. And she will always know that. And so to embrace her and to love her and to support her and get her through this very difficult time, I've always, you know, I believe and I think the right approach is to accept this horribly created -- in the sense of rape -- but nevertheless a gift in a very broken way, the gift of human life, and accept what God has given to you.
As you know, we have to, in lots of different aspects of our life. We have horrible things happen. I can't think of anything more horrible. But, nevertheless, we have to make the best out of a bad situation.
Mmmmmm, I loves me some religion. Its good stuff.
Systematic Chaos
(8,601 posts)...sneak their daughters across state or even international lines to have "hush-hush" abortions.
I used to chat online with a young lady whose parents were nutters of the Robert Tilton (aka "Farting Preacher of YouTube fame) persuasion. She admitted that she was raped by a neighbor's son when she was still in high school, and the first thing her parents did was get her an abortion out-of-state.
When she told me this she was in her mid-20s and rather disenfranchised from her parents. That was one among a lot of reasons.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #2)
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digonswine
(1,485 posts)the idea that the victim should not be able to choose--and calling a rape baby a "gift from God" is fucking nuts.
happpychemtrails2U
(12 posts)digonswine
(1,485 posts)not a vessel--a person. She can decide before birth(abortion) or after(adoption). Nice to have options!
MarkCharles
(2,261 posts)right-to-life Catholics, and the third is a newly arrived in the right-to-life land Mormon, (although the third was a defender of Roe v Wade when running for Governor of Massachusetts.)
Amazing that religious Christian folks think that this kind of religious believer should be in the most powerful leadership position in the world. Amazing, and depressing, at the same time, given the nature of our democratic republic, and her original founding fathers, and their beliefs, codified in our Constitution.
From "Congress shall make no law", to the likes of Rick Santorum, Newt Gingrich, and Mittens Romney, all three so eager to shove their extreme religious beliefs down the throats and into the uteruses of all American women.
digonswine
(1,485 posts)works through the acts of rapists to bestow these "gifts" upon victims? Rapist are doing god's work?
uriel1972
(4,261 posts)It's one of the fundamental reasons I can't worship an omnipotent, omniscient 'Good' God
MarkCharles
(2,261 posts)just how closed-minded and self-centered and clueless a member of the male gender can be regarding the events of both rape and pregnancy. NOT all men, of course, but this one is not alone in his "thinking", I'm sure.
Sadly, too, there probably are some women who agree with him.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)Only 22% of that group voted for him in S. Carolina
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)And his religion is in line with the dogma of RCC for a good part.
Oh, and don't forget to factor in the hate of the born agains/evangelicals for the "non-Christian" Catholics into the mix, too.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)numbers than they voted for this guy. He's extreme, and even they can see it.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)I don't think we need to dismiss Santorum's pro-life views as some sore of statistical anomaly. Even if your logic is correct, 22% of people agree with his rape baby statement. Why he only got 22% may or may not have anything to do with his religion. And that 22% of a religious group that generally thinks of Catholics as non-Christian actually voted for him speaks a lot to how much that religious group agrees with him if we are following your train of thought.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)I was working from the false presumption that Santorum was an evangelical.
Point taken. I was wrong.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)Iggo
(47,549 posts)Jeez.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)so that she can receive such a wonderful blessing from you.
What a fucking tool.
Vehl
(1,915 posts)I have to say that this is the sickest thing I've heard in the past few weeks..months even. Almost makes me want to puke
deacon_sephiroth
(731 posts)he can't help it, he was raised that way, it's in his holy books, women don't have rights, hell havin them babies is all they good for anyhow, who cares how they get there, it's thier job!
Some days it doesn't pay to get out of bed.... and hear Republicans speak.