Ariel Castro the guy who kidnapped those 3 girls and imprisoned them for 10 + years

[moobu2]

committed suicide yesterday. Guess everybody knows that by now.

Michael knight, one of his victims and the only one to speak at the trial, read a prepared speech during the sentencing phase after Castro's conviction. Mrs. Knight said Arial Castro would go to church every Sunday and then come home after services and torture the women. Her comments about church start at about 2:56.

[get the red out]

1. Wasn't the BTK killer a decon?

I think I recall that.

[cbayer]

2. Evil, evil man. It's hard to imagine that anyone will miss him.

The fact that he was able to fool everyone, including his closest family members, is a testament to his pure evilness.

[hrmjustin]

3. He is gone now. The monster was a monster whether he believed or not.

[rug]

4. Re you making a point about Castro or about church?

[moobu2]

5. Oh, I thought it was obvious.

The short speech just says a lot about the religious circumstances surrounding the decade long kidnapping, rape, torture and imprisonment of the 3 girls.

The story was one of the biggest stories of the year. I imagine it was in the top 10. It was huuuuuuge.

Okay, Mrs. Night was a Christian believer for one and so was Mr. Castro I assume, and he kidnapped, tortured, raped, imprisoned Mrs. Knight and 2 others girls in a dungeon for 11 years. Knight specifically said in her speech that Mr. Castro would go to church "every Sunday", come home from services, "every Sunday" and torture them "every Sunday", and that went on for 11 years. It's to hideous to think about.

Mrs Knights speech definitely makes it look like the torture was tied to Mr. Castro's church going activities.

You know the girls prayed every day for the rescue that never came too, I mean what Christian wouldn't under the circumstances.

Okay, so there's the 'why didn't God lift a finger to help them' angle and for all you guardian angel believers, there's the 'why didn't an angel come and rescue the 3 poor girls'... there are questions about the empty promises religion (Christianity in this case) offers. And, there's also the question about why Mr. Castro was able to act out in the hideous manor without one person getting suspicious in all those 11 years. You do realize Mr. Castro probably got away with his activities for so long specifically because he went to church every Sunday don't you? I think because of the constant religious propaganda we are subjected to every day, people are just less likely to suspect someone of hideously criminal behavior if the person goes to church, or say's they're religious or whatever.

Hey, the media never asked about the religious aspects of this case but when a priest parks his car and walks up to an auto accident and prays, it's a miracle on a Biblical scale with angels appearing and disappearing into thin air and everything.

And, there are other issues I guess.

[rug]

6. If you're picking a sample to describe the whole, you picked a poor one.

That's how ridiculous conclusions are formed. Your effort reminds me of 16th century mariners confusing whales with mermaids.

I'm not surprised you have a bizarre understanding of religion if you think a criminal sociopath is a criminal sociopath because of religion. It's almost as bizarre as your understanding of causation.

If you're posting it simply to show how fucked up Castro was, it's devoid of religious content.

Now, who are you addressing when you say "you guardian angel believers"?

[moobu2]

7. If it were just one case I could see your point but

it's just one of thousands and thousands that we know about.

Who was I addressing when I said "you guardian angel believers"? Guardian angel believers or just plain angel believers.

[cbayer]

9. Thousands and thousands of cases like Castro?

Really? Maybe you could just cite a few hundred to start and make sure to include the link to religion.

[moobu2]

11. Thousands and thousands of cases involving religious folks,

mostly Christians, who were caught behaving in various heinous and criminal ways. You have Google don't you? Good because you can find them yourself.

[cbayer]

12. I'm not even sure what you point is here.

Have thousands and thousands of christians committed crimes of one sort or another? Yes, if you make the time frame large enough.

Have thousands and thousand of muslims committed crimes? Jews? Non-believers? Yes, yes and yes.

This is a totally fallacious argument.

[hrmjustin]

14. There are bad people who are believers and non believers. He was a bad man.

[cbayer]

8. Mr. Castro was a psychotic monster who could

have been attending the circus or an ice cream social every Sunday and done the same thing.

It's important to note that he put a lot of effort into keeping his secrets. It was probably expected that he attend church on a regular basis, so it would naturally be part of his cover.

But if it makes you feel better to somehow tie these heinous crimes to christianity, go for it.

Oh, BTW, the rescue did eventually come. While it probably had nothing to do with prayer, you can't peg the lack of rescue of the ineffectiveness of prayer, then not recognize that they did eventually get out.

Sorry, but your analysis of this story is downright embarrassing.

[moobu2]

22. Yes he could have been attending the circus

or an ice cream social every Sunday and done the same thing but he didn't. He attended a church every Sunday and every Sunday after services he would come home and torture his 3 kidnap victims...every Sunday after every church service.

[cbayer]

23. Yes, that is exactly what the article says. Do you find some correlation

that could then be generalized to all church going people?

Or do you think all monsters like this also attend church?

Would it be rational to draw either of those conclusions....

or would it just be convenient and suit your agenda?

[trotsky]

10. Interesting, isn't it...

how the guy seemed to be a devout Christian but apologists say that has nothing to do with his crimes.

Yet tell the story of a regular churchgoing guy who feeds the homeless, and his belief is praised as the source of his good behavior.

Double standards, gotta love 'em.

[Fix The Stupid]

13. I'd love to see the rebuttal to this.

Anyone?

Now's your chance.

[hrmjustin]

15. Nobody here said that churchgoing people don't commit crimes.

What is the double standard here?

[trotsky]

16. Nor did I claim someone had. Glad we got that out of the way!

The double standard is that religion is routinely given credit (or credited for the motivation, at least) when a believer does something good, but rarely given blame (or even considered as a motivation) when they do something bad.

[hrmjustin]

17. Do you believe going to church caused this?

[trotsky]

18. I have no idea, but his religious beliefs may have been responsible.

I don't think it's unreasonable to say that they could play a role. Many branches of Christian theology see women as second class citizens, who exist primarily to serve men.

[hrmjustin]

19. Did he belong to a church that preached that women should serve men?

Yes there are churches that do this, so you make a good point there.

[trotsky]

20. Don't know, but I think it's pretty common for individual believers...

to not necessarily follow their official church teachings on everything.

"Cafeteria Catholics" come to mind.

[rug]

21. Why don't you state exactly what you think religion had to do with his crimes?

An opinion without evidence is . . . . well, you know the rest.