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intaglio

(8,170 posts)
Sun Sep 22, 2013, 08:45 AM Sep 2013

Re-assigned 15 times, 3 leaves of absence caught by police with 15 yo

From The Patriot News

The Rev. William Paulish was in Lackawanna County prison, unable to post $50,000 bail Friday. The charges include corruption of a minor, indecent exposure, unlawful contact with a minor, indecent assault and involuntary deviate sexual intercourse with a person under 16. Court records did not list a lawyer for Paulish.

The Times-Tribune of Scranton reported that Paulish, 56, has been reassigned 15 times by the Diocese of Scranton after being ordained in 1988 and has had three separate leaves of absence.

The diocese did not respond to the newspaper's requests to explain the reassignments and absences. In a press release, the diocese said it removed Paulish from his assignment as assistant pastor at Prince of Peace Parish in Old Forge and suspended his ability to work as a priest.


Apparently the accused advertised on Craigslist
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Re-assigned 15 times, 3 leaves of absence caught by police with 15 yo (Original Post) intaglio Sep 2013 OP
Will those who covered up his crimes be charged? Scuba Sep 2013 #1
If we're lucky the files will be made available intaglio Sep 2013 #2
But...but skepticscott Sep 2013 #3
He was assigned to this parish two months ago. rug Sep 2013 #5
Here's the statement from the Diocese of Scranton. rug Sep 2013 #4
What about his accomplices? n/t Goblinmonger Sep 2013 #9
He was alone in the car with the kid. rug Sep 2013 #11
Why are you limiting this skepticscott Sep 2013 #16
Because the question was about accomplices. That's a legal term. rug Sep 2013 #17
It's nice to know that you don't make moral jydgements skepticscott Sep 2013 #20
The problem with rape, by priest or atheist, is paramountly a legal and social one. rug Sep 2013 #22
The penalties? rickford66 Sep 2013 #6
Despicable. The multiple reassignments would indicate a coverup as well. cbayer Sep 2013 #7
These are his assignments over the past 25 years. rug Sep 2013 #12
And what are they telling you? skepticscott Sep 2013 #14
It's obvious what those six assignments indicate. rug Sep 2013 #18
I'm not the one who said it was "telling", you were skepticscott Sep 2013 #21
And it is telling. Are you obtuse? rug Sep 2013 #23
No, your apologetics are quite clear skepticscott Sep 2013 #24
You confuse facts with apologetics. rug Sep 2013 #25
Facts are not much use without the courage skepticscott Sep 2013 #26
Frankly, you are the last person I would consult on matters of courage. rug Sep 2013 #29
Even the most non-judgemental skepticscott Sep 2013 #33
Do you always type in a stage voice? rug Sep 2013 #34
I suspect they sent him for treatment during all those LOA's. cbayer Sep 2013 #15
I would be surprised if he wasn't sent here at least once. rug Sep 2013 #19
geeze dhol82 Sep 2013 #27
Fascinating. Some were seeing problems very early on. cbayer Sep 2013 #28
The real pity is that this man was ever ordained in the first place. No Vested Interest Sep 2013 #31
It looks like problems became apparent five years into his ordination. rug Sep 2013 #32
Reassigned FIFTEEN TIMES. trotsky Sep 2013 #8
No kidding Goblinmonger Sep 2013 #10
There should be an additional data base. rug Sep 2013 #13
And I bet their church is still packed on Sunday's Politicalboi Sep 2013 #30

intaglio

(8,170 posts)
2. If we're lucky the files will be made available
Sun Sep 22, 2013, 08:51 AM
Sep 2013

and the victims and their families will be able to sue the diocese

As for jail time for the enablers? Very doubtful

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
3. But...but
Sun Sep 22, 2013, 09:30 AM
Sep 2013

the new pope is going to change all that, right?? As soon as he hears about this, I'm totally sure he will see that the right thing is done..I'm cautiously optimistic, in other words!

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
5. He was assigned to this parish two months ago.
Sun Sep 22, 2013, 10:04 AM
Sep 2013
Reverend W. Jeffrey Paulish, from Leave of Absence for Reasons of Health, to Assistant Pastor, Prince of Peace Parish, Old Forge, effective, July 11, 2013.


http://www.dioceseofscranton.org/2013/07/11/clergy-appointments-14/
 

rug

(82,333 posts)
11. He was alone in the car with the kid.
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 09:45 AM
Sep 2013

I'm sure you're suggesting some form of criminal accomplice liability but that doesn't apply to these facts.

An accomplice must intentionally aid, abet, importune or in some fashion advance the intended criminal act. I expect not even you are suggesting the Bishop of Scranton had as his goal a blowjob in a parking lot.

If there is anything, there is tortious negligence in returning him to a parish. Whether that exists depends entirely on what his "health" reasons were and what treatment he received prior to returning to ministry.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
16. Why are you limiting this
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 10:45 AM
Sep 2013

to legal liability? Anyone in the church who had evidence or knowledge that he was molesting children and did not report it to the proper authorities is morally complicit in any future offenses of that type.

Would you agree or disagree?

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
17. Because the question was about accomplices. That's a legal term.
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 11:05 AM
Sep 2013

As to making moral judgments, I rarely make moral judgments, let alone assign future degrees of moral complicity.

I'm not a moralist. Are you?

That said, failure to report compounds the offense and likely allows further offenses. That is wrong.

Making public policy based on morality is dangerous. Would you agree or disagree?

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
20. It's nice to know that you don't make moral jydgements
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 11:19 AM
Sep 2013

About priests raping children or the people who enable and abet them. Seems many in the Catholic Church are with you on that.

And I would certainly agree that making public policy based on the moral pronouncements of an organization as morally corrupt as the RCC is a very bad idea.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
22. The problem with rape, by priest or atheist, is paramountly a legal and social one.
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 11:23 AM
Sep 2013

I cringe when people treat it primarily as a moral issue. It is particularly repellent when it is used to make an ulterior, unrelated, point.

So, what organizations do you think should have their moral pronouncements enacted into law?

rickford66

(5,522 posts)
6. The penalties?
Sun Sep 22, 2013, 11:02 AM
Sep 2013

It will be a slap on the wrist because the Church doesn't have a football team. I'm originally from Scranton and have in the past related cover ups by the Diocese of Scranton and the University of Scranton here on DU.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
12. These are his assignments over the past 25 years.
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 09:53 AM
Sep 2013
• Sept. 3, 1988 – ordained

• Sept. 9, 1988 – June 19, 1991: assistant pastor, Our Lady of the Snows, Clarks Summit

• June 20, 1991 – Jan. 14, 1992: assistant pastor, Annunciation, Williamsport

• Jan. 15 – June 21, 1992: assistant pastor, St. Cecilia’s, Exeter

• June 22, 1992 – July 6, 1993: assistant pastor, Most Precious Blood, Hazleton

• July 7, 1993 – Jan. 23, 1994: assistant pastor, Sacred Heart, Peckville

• Jan. 24, 1994 – July 4, 2000: chaplain, Little Flower Manor, Wilkes-Barre

• July 5, 2000 – July 5, 2004: pastor at St. Francis Xavier, Friendsville, St. Patrick’s, Middletown, and St. Thomas the Apostle, Little Meadows

• July 6 – Nov. 9, 2004: leave of absence, health reasons

• Nov. 10, 2004 – June 28, 2005: assistant pastor at St. Joseph’s, Minooka, Immaculate Conception and St. John the Baptist, Taylor

• June 29 – Sept. 12, 2005: chaplain, St. Mary’s Villa, Elmhurst

• Sept. 13 – Nov. 8, 2005: assistant pastor, St. Patrick’s, Scranton

• Nov. 9, 2005 – March 24, 2006: leave of absence (no reason listed)

• March 24 – Oct. 11, 2006: residence at St. Cecilia, Exeter

• Oct. 11, 2006 – July 8, 2008: assistant pastor, St. Mary’s, Old Forge

• July 9, 2008 – July 6, 2011: administrator, St. Elizabeth, Bear Creek (and pastor from July 7, 2010 - July 10, 2011)

• July 11, 2011 – Aug. 5, 2012: leave of absence, health reasons

• Aug. 6 – Nov. 14, 2012: assistant pastor, Holy Cross, Olyphant

• Nov. 15, 2012 - July 14, 2013: leave of absence, health reasons

• July 15 - Sept. 20: assistant pastor, Prince of Peace, Old Forge

• Sept. 20: leave of absence pending investigation of alleged sexual misconduct with a minor


The reassignments themselves are unremarkable. But the two assignments at senior facilities (away from teenagers) and the four leaves of absence for euphemistic health reasons are what is telling.
 

rug

(82,333 posts)
18. It's obvious what those six assignments indicate.
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 11:07 AM
Sep 2013

Are you afraid to say it straight out?

Do you find it shocking that there are sex offenders within institutions and that the corporate reflex is to keep it private?

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
21. I'm not the one who said it was "telling", you were
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 11:21 AM
Sep 2013

It's your statement and your claim..own it instead of waffling.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
24. No, your apologetics are quite clear
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 11:32 AM
Sep 2013

as is your attempt to minimize really despicable behavior as much as you can.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
25. You confuse facts with apologetics.
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 11:36 AM
Sep 2013

I suppose, rather than post his assignments and point out six red flags, I could have simply had the usually unproductive snarkfest your posts generate.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
26. Facts are not much use without the courage
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 11:45 AM
Sep 2013

to draw and state the conclusions that they lead to. That's the only confusion involved here.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
33. Even the most non-judgemental
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 05:52 PM
Sep 2013

person on the board had no trouble speaking right up and calling this what it is: a despicable covering up and abetting of child molestation. You, on the other hand, have avoided on multiple occasions even the least courageous condemnation, for reasons that are quite clear.

I don't think anyone intelligent will have trouble seeing where courage and moral fortitude is lacking here.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
34. Do you always type in a stage voice?
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 05:59 PM
Sep 2013

Do you think that there is something courageous in calling this despicable? That's obvious.

The problem you have is that you also agree that the religious education of children is child abuse, that religion is a poison and that religious belief is deluded thinking. Et cetera ad nauseam.

Your flat outrage at all things religious and your on cue righteousness diminishes what is in fact despicable about this situation. Given your numerous postings on religion I can hardly credit your moral outrage here.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
15. I suspect they sent him for treatment during all those LOA's.
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 10:42 AM
Sep 2013

The problem is, of course, that hard core pedophilia, like all perversions, is extraordinarily difficult to treat.

They really should have never returned him to any place where he had access to children.

dhol82

(9,352 posts)
27. geeze
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 12:05 PM
Sep 2013

you would think that, with so many of these paraclete centers that were opened, the church should have rethought many of it's rules or, at least, admitted that there was a problem somewhere.

it is interesting that they worked with many disabilities but ended up strictly refusing to take on pedophiles.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
28. Fascinating. Some were seeing problems very early on.
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 12:38 PM
Sep 2013

While outcomes for chemical dependency are uniformly poor, outcomes for things like pedophilia are abysmal.

When this really started to come out, there were multiple centers that the RCC used to try and rehabilitate priests, but the big mistake they made was returning these priests to locations where they had access to children.

As the founder of this particular organizations noted, "sexual deviants" should have been removed from the priesthood, even if it was against their will. Unfortunately, they swept homosexual activity up into this category and were not making a badly needed distinction.

That may have been part of the problem, as the RCC had been winking at homosexual activity for a long time and correctly saw it as a victimless "crime". Their inability to distinguish this from pedophilia led to a culture that initially treated the two the same, and the outcome became the root of the problem.

No Vested Interest

(5,164 posts)
31. The real pity is that this man was ever ordained in the first place.
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 02:04 PM
Sep 2013

It they had refused to ordain him, the diocese wouldn't be dealing with this for probably the rest of the man's life, not to mention the pain of his victims, and the monetary price to paid from the offerings of people of good will.

There was apparently a period when some of the seminaries had few students and kept those who showed these tendencies. The church will be paying (literally and figurally) for this bad judgment and problem for decades, despite best attempts to right the wrong currently.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
32. It looks like problems became apparent five years into his ordination.
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 03:12 PM
Sep 2013

If he could not have discerned this was not the life for him, someone else should have.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
10. No kidding
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 09:38 AM
Sep 2013

As a licensed teacher in Wisconsin, I am a mandatory reporter. If I even thought something like this was happening, I am legally obligated to inform authorities. If I don't, I likely will lose my license and will face legal charges and likely a civil lawsuit. Apparently we don't hold the hierarchy of the church to the same standards that we do educators.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
30. And I bet their church is still packed on Sunday's
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 01:42 PM
Sep 2013

Show them YOU mean business. STOP going to church. I don't see how catholics can still support these pedophiles. Maybe they don't all do it, but they ALL hide it. Gee, where's the Poop"s chiming in on this. Oh that's right, it's a bad story against their Pedophile Empire.

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