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Mon Sep 30, 2013, 05:38 PM Sep 2013

I知 Still Not Going Back to the Catholic Church

Pope Francis only confirms my decision to leave

By Rod Dreher @roddreherSept. 29, 2013

It’s not hard to understand why people are so excited about Pope Francis. Since his sensational interview last week, many have said that with his personal warmth and determination to put doctrine in the background, Francis is just the man to bring a lot of fallen-away Catholics back into the church.

Maybe. But I’m an ex-Catholic whose decision to leave the Catholic Church is not challenged by Francis’s words, but rather confirmed.

Just over two decades ago, when I began the process to enter the Roman Catholic Church as an adult convert, I chose to receive instruction at a university parish, figuring that the quality of teaching would be more rigorous. After three months of guided meditations and endless God is love lectures, I dropped out.

I agreed that God is love, but that didn’t tell me what He would expect of me if I became a Catholic. Besides, I had spent four years dancing around the possibility of returning to the Christianity of my youth. When I made my first steps back to churchgoing as an adult, I found plenty of good people who told me God is love, but who never challenged me to change my life.

http://ideas.time.com/2013/09/29/im-still-not-going-back-to-the-catholic-church/

An interesting journey.

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I知 Still Not Going Back to the Catholic Church (Original Post) rug Sep 2013 OP
I read his article Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2013 #1
He converted thirty years after the Council. rug Oct 2013 #2
Joseph Campbell didn't care for Vatican II at all, either. IrishAyes Oct 2013 #4
True, but irrelevant. Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2013 #3
Yet through it all, there have remained GOOD priests and nuns IrishAyes Oct 2013 #5

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
1. I read his article
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 11:09 AM
Oct 2013

And he is saying that the Catholic Church used to have an obsession with sin and guilt, but unfortunately that has been lost after Vatican II. And he wishes it would return.

Well, I am old enough to remember those days -- Vatican II happened when I was in high school -- and it was not the utopia Mr. Dreher seems to think it was.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
4. Joseph Campbell didn't care for Vatican II at all, either.
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 07:54 PM
Oct 2013

He felt it removed all mystery and other important elements, mainly that it changed from calling us out of ourselves toward God and substituted having us call God into ourselves. He made some really good points. I personally miss the old confession booths and regime, where you knew something was really happening. Of recent years in some places at least, I found it to be more like a friendly visit to the rectory, where we sat in rocking chairs on the front porch and had a pleasant little chat. It felt good to a degree but for me can't measure up to the transformative experience of being called into a closer relationship and reassured of forgiveness.

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
3. True, but irrelevant.
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 02:48 PM
Oct 2013

From the article

The contemporary era of global Catholicism began in 1959, when the newly elected Pope John XXIII sought to “open the windows” of the fusty old Church to the modern world by calling the Second Vatican Council. Three years later, in his opening address to the council, the charismatic and avuncular pope called for “a new enthusiasm, a new joy and serenity of mind in the unreserved acceptance by all of the entire Christian faith,” without compromising on doctrine. A fierce spirit of the age blasted through those newly-opened windows, scouring nearly everything in its path. The coming decades would see a collapse in Catholic catechesis and Catholic discipline. The so-called “spirit of Vatican II” — a perversion of the Council’s actual teaching — justified many subsequent outrages.

In 2002, when the clerical-sex-abuse scandal broke nationwide, the full extent of the rot within the church became manifest. All that post-Vatican II happy talk and non-judgmentalism had been a facade concealing what then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger — later Pope Benedict XVI — would call the “filth” in the church. Many American bishops deployed the priceless Christian language of love and forgiveness in an effort to cover their own foul nakedness in a cloak of cheap grace.

During that excruciating period a decade ago, rage at what I and other journalists uncovered about the church’s corruption pried my ability to believe in Catholic Christianity out of me, like torturers ripping fingernails out with pliers. It wasn’t the crimes that did it as much as the bishops’ unwillingness to repent and the Vatican’s disinterest in holding them to account. If the church’s hierarchy cannot commit itself credibly to justice and mercy to the victims of its own clergy and bishops, I thought, do they really believe in the doctrines they teach?

All this put the moral unseriousness of the American church in a certain light. As the scandal raged, one Ash Wednesday, I attended Mass at my comfortable suburban parish and heard the priest deliver a sermon describing Lent as a time when we should all come to love ourselves more.

If I had to pinpoint a single moment at which I ceased to be a Roman Catholic, it would have been that one. I fought for two more years to hold on, thinking that having the syllogisms from my catechism straight in my head would help me stand firm. But it was useless. By then I was a father, and I did not want to raise my children in a church where sentimentality and self-satisfaction were the point of the Christian life. It wasn’t safe to raise my children in this church, I thought — not because they would be at risk of predators but because the entire ethos of the American church, like the ethos of the decadent post-Christian society in which it lives, is not that we should die to ourselves so that we can live in Christ, as the New Testament demands, but that we should learn to love ourselves more.

Flannery O’Connor, one of my Catholic heroes, famously said, “Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you. What people don’t realize is how much religion costs. They think faith is a big electric blanket, when of course it is the cross.” American Catholicism was not pushing back against the hostile age at all. Rather, it had become a pushover. God is love was not a proclamation that liberated us captives from our sin and despair but rather a bromide and a platitude that allowed us to believe that and to behave as if our lust, greed, malice and so forth — sins that I struggled with every day — weren’t to be despised and cast out but rather shellacked by a river of treacle.
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