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Fri Jul 1, 2022, 03:17 PM

Patriotic music in church

ÖI HATE patriotic music in church. As a female, *especially now.* Canít think of a time Iíve felt less like celebrating this country and our so-called freedom.
I belong to an ELCA church and most of the congregation is pretty liberal-minded that I can tell, and we have a woman pastor. But thereís a long tradition there of patriotic music on the weekend closest to the 4th. We get the weekly bulletin via emailÖyup. This Sunday.
I hate missing church 2 weeks in a row and I wasnít there last week. I have no ďobligationsĒ (bell choir, lector, etc) this week and I honestly think no one will miss me. I might even tell the choir director, whoís a good friend and will probably agree with me (he doesnít have final say on the hymn selections) why Iím sitting out this week
What say you, DU churchgoers? Do I have permission to play hooky on Sunday?

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Response to Freddie (Original post)

Fri Jul 1, 2022, 03:26 PM

1. You have permission to tell them to stop playing that damn music.

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Response to Freddie (Original post)

Fri Jul 1, 2022, 03:33 PM

2. I would if I were you. I grew up in

the LCA, before it became the ELCA. I don't remember patriotic music in church for holidays like the 4th. We did sometimes sing the Navy hymn, as simply a hymn, not as a patriotic music choice.

I now split my time between a Presbyterian and an Episcopal church. A couple years ago, during the summer, the Presbyterians selected hymns from congregational requests at the beginning of the service, after announcements. Somebody chose America the Beautiful on the Sunday before the 4th. The pastor was visibly surprised and he frowned, but honored the request. As we sang it, I thought about the contrast between the words and the Trump administration and my eyes filled with tears.

I am surprised that a Lutheran church would use patriotic music. I remember in LCA confirmation class discussing Luther's principle of separating the spiritual from the temporal as a result of the Peasants' Rebellion.

I think that I would skip that service, but let a few people know why. Find another service to watch online.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 1, 2022, 03:45 PM

4. I grew up LCA also

I wish theyíd remove the patriotic songs from the LBW. Except the Navy hymn, which I like. I think I will just mention to the choir director that I canít deal with the patriotic stuff right now. He will definitely understand.

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Response to Freddie (Original post)

Fri Jul 1, 2022, 03:43 PM

3. I don't blame you for feeling like that.

We are supposed to have separate church and state. (Although nowadays itís getting blurrier and blurrier)

Iím glad you brought this up, though, because back in the days when I used to attend Catholic mass, they would sing patriotic songs around this time of year and even way back then, it seemed wrong to me.

And after Orange Idiot was elected, I would cry, too, thinking of how I was no longer proud to sing about my country.

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Response to Diamond_Dog (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 1, 2022, 03:48 PM

5. Unfortunately I think it's a local tradition

For all the churches around here. My husbandís brass group always plays at a Presbyterian (PCUSA) church on the Sunday near the 4th, same crap. Playing the trumpet he doesnít have to sing the words. (Heís as mad as I am about all this).

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Response to Freddie (Original post)

Fri Jul 1, 2022, 04:13 PM

6. Ah - boundaries, boundaries...

You owe no one an explanation. If they should possibly ask, and since you had no service responsibilities to fulfill, save maybe remembering it is the Sabbath day, smile and say "I missed you too" and change the subject.

Think you've had it with the separation of church and national politics--I grew up in a very, very small Missouri Synd Lutheran church, but no longer attend even an ELCA's congregation that has more liberal leanings about Biblical admonitions about what I MUST believe, most of which is a guilty trip concerning the fear of God - I'd rather believe that "God is good" and forgives our transgressions and helps us in amazing ways to withhold judgments we need not own about others' actions so we can have a fulfilling life, and yes right now it's difficult to practice what one preaches. If staying home will help your thoughts of peace and values about relationships in which you believe, just do it! We have enough of our own all too human ways to cope with our anger and its consequences. Then, too, I'm not your confessor. Ultimately, you have choice.







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Response to Backseat Driver (Reply #6)

Fri Jul 1, 2022, 04:38 PM

9. Good point that no explanation is necessary,

but it might start a discussion about the practice.

In my very early years, my family went to a Missouri Synod church, but only because my German born great aunt lived with us then. It was a German congregation and she had friends there. After she moved into a nursing home, my family switched to the LCA church of my cousins. I was amazed at the difference. No more literalism. Much more emphasis on fellowship and love. It was like escaping a ghetto of the mind. For me, it came at a good point in my life, just before entering my teens, when more logical and critical reasoning was starting to develop.

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Response to Freddie (Original post)

Fri Jul 1, 2022, 04:33 PM

7. Yep. We haven't gone to church since Covid,

but long before that we always skipped the Sunday closest to the 4th of July. Even after we found a couple liberal churches that we really liked. All I want to observe on any given Sunday is whatever day it is in the liturgical year, not Motherís Day/Fatherís Day/Boy Scout Sunday/Blessing of the Backpacks/Christmas in July or any other silly gimmick they come up with.

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Response to Freddie (Original post)

Fri Jul 1, 2022, 04:36 PM

8. Sorry, your church is completely wrong here. St Paul said in Christ there is no Jew or Greek, no man

or woman. Belief in the christ and soul means one strives to see beyond physical, limiting, separating identifications and recognize that we are all connected as the offspring of one divine energy source at the soul level.

Also, playing patriotic music is pretty well giving the raspberry to the idea of loving your enemy.

Can you share these replies.with your pastor?

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Response to Karadeniz (Reply #8)

Fri Jul 1, 2022, 04:58 PM

10. I might but her hands may be tied trying to please people

Thereís an awful lot of white hair there - Iím not young myself (65) but I feel young there - and the older folks absolutely expect this. Ugh. Iíll definitely stay home though. In past years it didnít really bother me but this year, nope. I cannot celebrate a country that just made me, my daughter and granddaughters second-class citizens.

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Response to Freddie (Original post)

Sun Jul 3, 2022, 04:20 PM

11. Guess what! We did the exact same thing

Our church was featuring patriotic music today, so we went to brunch--not church. I am in no mood for patriotic music in my place of worship this week.

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Response to ladym55 (Reply #11)

Sun Jul 3, 2022, 06:36 PM

12. In part because of the guidance of the great people in this group

I stayed home too. Hope you had a nice relaxing morning!

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