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steve2470

(37,457 posts)
Sun Nov 26, 2017, 07:43 PM Nov 2017

I have some advice for the NYT and other media outlets about covering Nazis....

(xpost from GD)

THIS IS THE JEWISH GROUP

You need to lay out in excruciating detail what they stand for. Their underlying desire to murder innocent people or at the very minimum, their desire to put innocent people in concentration camps for their religion, skin color, ethnicity, political orientation, etc.

The Nazis were the very worst scum of the earth to ever walk the earth, IMHO. I make no apologies for saying that, because it's true. Media outlets have a moral obligation to make sure readers and viewers know it also. We still have monsters in plain garb walking amongst us. They need to be identified as monsters.

Reference: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/26/reader-center/readers-accuse-us-of-normalizing-a-nazi-sympathizer-we-respond.html

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I have some advice for the NYT and other media outlets about covering Nazis.... (Original Post) steve2470 Nov 2017 OP
But the monsters have free speech in America(?) so their genocidal ideas are AOK for discussion. Fred Sanders Nov 2017 #1
I know, sigh steve2470 Nov 2017 #2
'Are Jews People' Was an Actual, Real Discussion Topic on CNN steve2470 Nov 2017 #3
At least Spencer is banned in the EU which understands the value of hate speech laws at Fred Sanders Nov 2017 #4
yes precisely steve2470 Nov 2017 #5

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
1. But the monsters have free speech in America(?) so their genocidal ideas are AOK for discussion.
Sun Nov 26, 2017, 08:06 PM
Nov 2017

Genocide: good or bad?

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
3. 'Are Jews People' Was an Actual, Real Discussion Topic on CNN
Sun Nov 26, 2017, 08:11 PM
Nov 2017
http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a50906/are-jews-people-was-a-real/

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I am Jewish, but am I human? Sounds like a pretty ridiculous question, but apparently, it's not in 2016. That's right: A very real CNN chyron (TV news lingo for headline on the lower part of the screen) on Monday afternoon read "Alt-Right Founder Questions If Jews are People."

Nope, it's not a Clickhole headline. And what's even worse? The conversation went on for several minutes, as if Trump denouncing neo-Nazis is a political risk of some kind. Additionally, CNN made the entire issue even more egregious by inflaming the issue with an extreme headline that used "alt-right founder" instead of "supremacist."

In the segment, CNN Host Jim Sciutto discussed with political commentators whether Trump should formally denounce supporters from the alt-right. Specifically, they were talking about the National Policy Institute's Richard Spencer, who came up with the term "alt-right" to describe what pretty much amounts to white supremacists and neo-Nazis. Sciutto read the following Spencer quote: "One wonders if these people are people at all, or instead soulless golem."

It's important to note that while Spencer is, indeed, an anti-Semite, this quote in particular was not technically about whether Jews are people. Instead, he was asking whether media figures denouncing Trump are people, or if they were soulless golems created by the Jews. A golem, by the way, is a creature created by a rabbi in a Jewish folktale meant to protect Jews from anti-Semites, so yeah, his quote is still pretty terrible—as was CNN's dancing around the topic.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
4. At least Spencer is banned in the EU which understands the value of hate speech laws at
Sun Nov 26, 2017, 08:23 PM
Nov 2017

least narrowly directed at the Nazi's and their "ideas" that devastated a continent.

America has forgetten Nazism is actually as much an idea as Satanism but much more destructive and appealing to white boys who can not face the truth of blaming themselves for their own miseries.

Why Israel supports Trump and is uncritical of his blatant support of white supremists and Nazis is beyond me.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
5. yes precisely
Sun Nov 26, 2017, 08:25 PM
Nov 2017

I totally get why Germany and France and other countries ban Nazism and all its discussion in the media. Some of our holier-than-thou-free-speech-absolutists do NOT get it in our country (USA). If this country had undergone the full Nazi treatment, we might not be so cavalier.

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