Field experiments (Magnetic fields) - Has anyone else seen this

[truedelphi]

YouTube:

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If so, what are your comments.

[Warren DeMontague]

1. It would appear this is another case of "youtube science"

Or maybe, more precisely, woo-tube science.

http://www.thescienceforum.com/new-hypotheses-ideas/34979-primer-fields.html

If there is additional information about this guy and his "theory" (including the promised "peer reviewed journals&quot I'd be interested in seeing it. But as it is, this sounds like pseudo-scientific woo.

[napoleon_in_rags]

2. You know, it could be theory that solves it all...

But I wouldn't know, because I stopped watching when he said he watched the LHC collisions, but then ended up focusing on the shape of the LHC building, and other domed buildings around the world. The masons man, they knew all along!

Its sad though, because some interesting stuff is presented. But there is so much noise everything must be tuned out. Those who say they've expanded quantum mechanics or anything else that big basically have to:
1) explain what QM predicts will happen in a situation
2) explain what your theory says will happen in the same situation that's different
3) through experiment, show that your theory is right and QM is wrong. Or at least describe the experiment that would do that.
4) Send it to a professor for the stamp of sanity.
Put all this in the first 5 minute of your youtube video, including the name of the prof that sanity stamped it, then we'll listen.

Its like with that surfer who came up with the physics theory a few years back, he did it right. He came out with a far out theory, got it sanity stamped by a prof. I believe he's been proved wrong, and the top guys thought it was a long shot from the get go, but he did it the right way, got in the news and all that.

[truedelphi]

3. If you can remember the surfer's name, I would appreciate it.

That sounds very far out.

Did the video I posted get the first bit of stuff it presented right - the two magnetic fields, one with a north polarity, one with a south polarity, floating about the electron correctly? That was a really neat explanation, but I haven't the ability to know if is true or not.

[napoleon_in_rags]

4. Antony Lisi

His theory of everything:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Exceptionally_Simple_Theory_of_Everything

Lisi's theory was far out, and many physicists argued against it. But it he advanced it in a way where it entered the realm of serious discourse, through doing the math, giving his ideas an experimental signature, and so on. A lot the Youtube science doesn't argue in the right format to enter serious discourse. You really have to trim things down to their core ideas to enter scientific discourse.

As far as the theory, did he say electrons had magnetic poles? I don't know much physics, I'm an information guy. I obsess when I can peak through a crack in the wall into quantum mechanics, because it appears to be the holy place where information and physics meet... QM describes electrons as these little teeny probability blips, that exist as waves before you observe them. This guy's talking about a field around them. Maybe insight, maybe BS. What does what he's saying even mean?

That's why the framing is so important. You need to lead with
1) My theory predicts that if you do X, Y will happen... While current theories predict Z will happen, or make no prediction.
2) Here's how we can do X and see if my theory is true.

Its important, because really: Did ANYBODY understand what Einstein (for instance) was talking about? They didn't have to, because he did it right: He predicted that the path of light should warp around the sun, due to its mass. The current theory didn't. So during an eclipse, they photographed the stars near the sun, and BAM! There is was, relativity's predictions were confirmed. AFTER that, people had reason to spend a lot of time figuring out what Einstein was talking about, when before that he just looked like a million other other people making up their own BS.

PEace!

[Warpy]

5. I thought it was interesting that Lisi was explaining stuff geometrically

instead of mathematically and I was hoping more of it would pan out.

As for the video here, even if it's shown to be total bunk, he's creating some nice art on his magnets.

[napoleon_in_rags]

6. That how I see it: I call it science porn.

Even if this guy didn't break any new ground, there's some good science porn there. He just needs to learn to use History channel (History Porn) language:

"Does this arrangement of steel balls tell us something about the strong nuclear force?"
"Does this picture of the Graphene molecule show us an underlying principle has been revealed through these bowl shaped magnets?"

Without making grand assertions either way. The effect of science porn, like history porn, is to make the forbidden knowledge of physics/history seem accessible, to make people curious, to make people do their own research. Its about drawing people in, making people see the appeal of the research. The same principle works when "ancient aliens" draws people to start researching the unknowns and mysteries of an ancient culture, and its very healthy for the field of study to have plenty of people interested, however they originally get hooked. Ergo I have no interest in calling this guy's working "woo", whatever the value of his assertions ultimately is. The greatest moral calamities of current times can be directly linked to the marginalization of scientific voices in popular discourse. Any work which brings more people into the realm of scientific curiosity undermines this deadly trend.

PEace!

[Cronus Protagonist]

7. Two minutes and twenty seconds of bullshit at the beginning

I fell asleep before the content began.

[Cronus Protagonist]

8. Then I woke up, watched some more and laughed at the "correlation between the shape of buildings"

He Totally undermined anything he might have in the film that could be useful. In fact, I doubt anything at all useful is contained therein. Oh look, my belly button has a domed feature much the same... that explains my animal magnetism. lol

[BadgerKid]

9. I saw a lot of geometric patterns induced by B fields.

Similar things happen when electric charges are confined to a small space.

The main principle here is that systems always move toward equilibrium, subject to the imposed external conditions. I believe physics, engineering, and chemistry types would be hard pressed to find much new here.

[DetlefK]

10. 4 minutes in, that's supposed to be a photon

Real or virtual?
Near-field- (B and E out of phase) or far-field-solution (B and E in phase)?
If that's the magnetic field of a photon, which direction are its momentum and its Poynting-vector pointed at?

6 minutes in:
The shape of the plasma-volume is determined by the shape of the magnetic field.
This particular configuration is used for fusion-reactors of the Tokamak-type.

8 minutes in:
He has actually created the most simple kind of magnetic bottle for plasma: An ellipsoid magnetic field between two points of high field-density.
Has it ever occured to him, that the x-shape is maybe a camera-effect?

9 minutes in:
the oscillations: Did he check it with the ordinary equations for plasma-oscillation?

10 minutes in:
Structures in space aren't comparable to your experimental setup because the edges of those structures are so wide apart from each other, that they are essentially isolated in terms of the temporal orders of magnitude typical for particle reactions. -> beyond the event-horizon because even light-speed is too slow

11 minutes in:
"This evidence (by the LHC) will be discussed at length in pt. 4."

11 minutes in:
THE SHAPE OF A TOURIST-INFO-CENTER SHOWED HIM A HIDDEN TRUTH IN ELECTROMAGNETICS?



Okay.
YOU watch the rest.
I'm done.

[truedelphi]

11. Thank you for the minute by minute account of his failures.

And hopefully those eleven minutes did not destroy your brain.

[DeSwiss]

12. Yep.

Part II is even better:

Comment: I think he's on to something.

[truedelphi]

13. Thanks for commenting.

Some who have commented think he is ridiculous, others don't.

Sort of like when I venture into the Scalar Electronics/Physics realm.

[DeSwiss]

14. I pay no attention to orthodoxy.

''Every fact of science was once Damned. Every invention was considered impossible. Every discovery was a nervous shock to some orthodoxy. Every artistic innovation was denounced as fraud and folly. The entire web of culture and progress, everything on earth that is man-made and not given to us by nature, is the concrete manifestation of some man's refusal to bow to Authority. We would own no more, know no more, and be no more than the first apelike hominids if it were not for the rebellious, the recalcitrant, and the intransigent. As Oscar Wilde truly said, Disobedience was man's Original Virtue.''

~Robert Anton Wilson

[truedelphi]

15. That is one fabulous quote.

Great to have both your responses come to this topic today. I was thinking how terribly pedantic society is, and you ended up making me change my mind on that!