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kristopher

(29,798 posts)
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 04:09 PM Nov 2013

Long Before Trees Overtook the Land, Earth Was Covered by Giant Mushrooms

July 17, 2013 3:14 pm
Long Before Trees Overtook the Land, Earth Was Covered by Giant Mushrooms


Digging up a Prototaxites fossil. Photo: University of Chicago
From around 420 to 350 million years ago, when land plants were still the relatively new kids on the evolutionary block and “the tallest trees stood just a few feet high,” giant spires of life poked from the Earth. “The ancient organism boasted trunks up to 24 feet (8 meters) high and as wide as three feet (one meter),” said National Geographic in 2007. With the help of a fossil dug up in Saudi Arabia scientists finally figured out what the giant creature was: a fungus. (We think.)

The towering fungus spires would have stood out against a landscape scarce of such giants, said New Scientist in 2007.

“A 6-metre fungus would be odd enough in the modern world, but at least we are used to trees quite a bit bigger,” says Boyce. “Plants at that time were a few feet tall, invertebrate animals were small, and there were no terrestrial vertebrates. This fossil would have been all the more striking in such a diminutive landscape.”

Fossils of the organisms, known as Prototaxites, had peppered the paleontological findings of the past century and a half, ever since they were first discovered by a Canadian in 1859. But despite the fossil records, no one could figure out what the heck these giant spires were. The University of Chicago:

For the next 130 years, debate raged. Some scientists called Prototaxites a lichen, others a fungus, and still others clung to the notion that it was some kind of tree. “The problem is that when you look up close at the anatomy, it’s evocative of a lot of different things, but it’s diagnostic of nothing,” says Boyce, an associate professor in geophysical sciences and the Committee on Evolutionary Biology. “And it’s so damn big that when whenever someone says it’ssomething, everyone else’s hackles get up: ‘How could you have a lichen 20 feet tall?’”

That all changed in 2007 when a study came out that concluded the spires were a fungus, like a gigantic early mushroom.

But not everyone was sold on the idea that Prototaxites was an early fungus...



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Long Before Trees Overtook the Land, Earth Was Covered by Giant Mushrooms (Original Post) kristopher Nov 2013 OP
Far out, man. Far out. longship Nov 2013 #1
nostalgia: phantom power Nov 2013 #4
Matango! A fine film. MyshkinCommaPrince Nov 2013 #6
A documentary about the Republican House of Representatives, is that? nt MADem Nov 2013 #40
There were humongous fungus among us Xipe Totec Nov 2013 #2
double rim shot! progressoid Nov 2013 #8
If I could get mine to grow that big I would be the hit of Wanee Fest! Lochloosa Nov 2013 #3
And all its inhabitants listened to the Grateful Dead. cui bono Nov 2013 #5
NOT TRUE Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #10
Amanita Muscaria panader0 Nov 2013 #11
the flowers cover everything, man. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #13
And that, little kiddies, is why Santa wears red and white. WinkyDink Nov 2013 #12
ugh MFM008 Nov 2013 #7
That was my first thought. Tansy_Gold Nov 2013 #29
Agreed... awoke_in_2003 Nov 2013 #38
Fungi from Yuggoth, found! arcane1 Nov 2013 #9
Wondered if there was a fan.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #36
But what was the evolutionary advantage of growing 8m tall? muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #14
Being able to produce more spores, JoeyT Nov 2013 #15
Whole piece is typical bullshit 'science'-journalism, because, as we all should know, Ghost Dog Nov 2013 #16
I don't see that anything it says contradicts that muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #17
Would be... impressive, indeed. Ghost Dog Nov 2013 #24
One possibility is that it is a symbiotic relationship between a fungus and a photosynthetic alga MNBrewer Nov 2013 #31
So Journey to the Center of the Earth was right! Javaman Nov 2013 #18
Nice! And 'Stowaway to the Mushroom Planet'... Octafish Nov 2013 #43
this is an awfully thin report, and it has some serious problems.... mike_c Nov 2013 #19
Those hydrocarbon reserves came from *much* later. eppur_se_muova Nov 2013 #20
yes, that's part of the problem.... mike_c Nov 2013 #21
Fungi are the "sister group" to Animals MNBrewer Nov 2013 #30
I guess my main thought is that... mike_c Nov 2013 #34
Those enzymes are scattered throughout the fungi MNBrewer Nov 2013 #35
Maybe the were lithotrophs? Ace Acme Nov 2013 #22
8 meters = 26 feet, not 24 paulkienitz Nov 2013 #23
You are still off by .24671916 feet Major Nikon Nov 2013 #32
Wow, that would make about 500 bowls of mushroom soup if it was edible variety! nightscanner59 Nov 2013 #25
Imagine how much fun you'd have if they were psilocybin Major Nikon Nov 2013 #33
Those are best a seasonal delicacy, like St Nicholas distributed back in the Pagan days. nightscanner59 Nov 2013 #37
Reminds me of something I saw a long time ago. Deep13 Nov 2013 #26
Stilll is: Giant Mushroom Largest Living Organism Bennyboy Nov 2013 #27
Mushrooms can save the world..... Bennyboy Nov 2013 #28
Really interesting. theHandpuppet Nov 2013 #41
Yeah one of the most interesting things ever Bennyboy Nov 2013 #42
So Super Mario's Mushroom Kingdom tells the truth about Earth, huh? johnlucas Nov 2013 #39

longship

(40,416 posts)
1. Far out, man. Far out.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 04:21 PM
Nov 2013

Or, how about a horror flick title, The Fungus Among Us, with the requisite clueless teenager who goes out alone at night with a faulty flashlight. The script writes itself.

MyshkinCommaPrince

(611 posts)
6. Matango! A fine film.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 05:09 PM
Nov 2013

Love that movie. I always wonder whether it should be included in the family tree of Romero-type zombie movies. Hmm.

The movie was the first thing I thought of, upon reading this thread's title.

MFM008

(19,805 posts)
7. ugh
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 05:16 PM
Nov 2013

i loathe those rubbery things... does anyone remember the movie 'Journey to the center of the Earth' with James Mason? Remember what they found to eat? Giant mushrooms.......

muriel_volestrangler

(101,307 posts)
14. But what was the evolutionary advantage of growing 8m tall?
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 08:00 PM
Nov 2013


As a fungus, it's not photosynthesising, so it doesn't have to get above competing organisms, like trees do. It's consuming dead material down at ground level. Why invest so much energy to produce something that tall?

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
15. Being able to produce more spores,
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 10:34 PM
Nov 2013

or spread them around to more distant areas in strong winds, maybe?

I was kind of wondering the same thing.

 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
16. Whole piece is typical bullshit 'science'-journalism, because, as we all should know,
Fri Nov 8, 2013, 04:50 AM
Nov 2013

the stems and caps we call 'mushrooms' are merely the fruit put out by much larger web-thread organisms...

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fungus#Morphology

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muriel_volestrangler

(101,307 posts)
17. I don't see that anything it says contradicts that
Fri Nov 8, 2013, 05:42 AM
Nov 2013

and it remains true that an 8m high fruit would be very unusual.

MNBrewer

(8,462 posts)
31. One possibility is that it is a symbiotic relationship between a fungus and a photosynthetic alga
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 10:53 AM
Nov 2013

i.e, a lichen. Growing as it did would provide it more surface area for light. The fossils remind me of stromatolites from marine environments, which also grow fairly large and seem to produce a growth pattern of rings.

mike_c

(36,281 posts)
19. this is an awfully thin report, and it has some serious problems....
Fri Nov 8, 2013, 02:06 PM
Nov 2013

Not sure I'm sold, yet. Most fungi are detritivores, and land fungi are mostly dependent upon plant biomass, which would have been in short supply precisely when this supposed massive fungus lived on..., what? If there were prolific fungi around, how did plant biomass form the great fossil hydrocarbon reserves we're so busy converting into green house gasses today?

mike_c

(36,281 posts)
21. yes, that's part of the problem....
Fri Nov 8, 2013, 03:01 PM
Nov 2013

Sorry if I didn't make that clear. The assumption has generally been that fungal detritivores were absent or not ecologically important during the Carboniferous, which implies that they didn't evolve widespread, general detritivory of plant biomass until later. But interpreting Prototaxites as fungal suggests that they were present far earlier. The most parsimonious explanation is that fungi were relatively unimportant until after the Carboniferous.

I'm not a fungal systematist by any means, however. Just thinking out loud.

MNBrewer

(8,462 posts)
30. Fungi are the "sister group" to Animals
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 10:49 AM
Nov 2013

and have been around just as long. I doubt they were unimportant ecological actors. The question is whether they were able to efficiently decompose the various structural polymers that plants were evolving over that time (lignins, cellulose, etc.). In addition to their roles as decomposers, fungi are quite good at parasitism and symbiosis.

I'm not 100% convinced that Prototaxites is a fungus, but it's at least a possibility.

As a mycologist I would like to think that my favorite group of organisms dominated the land in pre-historic times.

mike_c

(36,281 posts)
34. I guess my main thought is that...
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 03:31 PM
Nov 2013

...Prototaxites was presumably not saprophytic, or at least not so efficiently so that its descendents could handle the great biomass of Carboniferous vegetation.

I'm not a mycologist, though. Are there any modern multicellular saprophytic fungi that primitively lack cellulases, etc? 425 MYA heterotrophs were just beginning to move onto land, and the metazoan heterotrophs at that point were small arthropods. If Prototaxites was mycorrhizal, or, parasitic, it would presumably be highly allometric with its hosts.

MNBrewer

(8,462 posts)
35. Those enzymes are scattered throughout the fungi
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 05:49 PM
Nov 2013

But I think they are relatively recent compared to the age of Prototaxites. My guess is that if it is fungal it was something like a mycorrhizal and/or lichen symbiote that had a perennial fruiting body that built up layer by layer. If a fungus, it was probably not a purely saprotrophic organism, especially given the size to which it grew.

 

Ace Acme

(1,464 posts)
22. Maybe the were lithotrophs?
Fri Nov 8, 2013, 03:06 PM
Nov 2013

After all, the mycelium body of the beast was underground. Just thinking out loud.

nightscanner59

(802 posts)
25. Wow, that would make about 500 bowls of mushroom soup if it was edible variety!
Fri Nov 8, 2013, 06:02 PM
Nov 2013

And one of my favorite side dishes, too!

nightscanner59

(802 posts)
37. Those are best a seasonal delicacy, like St Nicholas distributed back in the Pagan days.
Sun Nov 10, 2013, 12:08 AM
Nov 2013

I have hard enough time keeping my reality grasp to indulge in hallucinogens anymore.

 

Bennyboy

(10,440 posts)
28. Mushrooms can save the world.....
Fri Nov 8, 2013, 06:19 PM
Nov 2013

Paul Staments is the guy and he makes a compelling case for mushrooms. I could too, but that is a whole 'nother deal.

Crusading mycologist Paul Stamets says fungi can clean up everything from oil spills to nuclear meltdowns.

For Paul Stamets, the phrase “mushroom hunt” does not denote a leisurely stroll with a napkin-lined basket. This morning, a half-dozen of us are struggling to keep up with the mycologist as he charges through a fir-and-alder forest on Cortes Island, British Columbia. It’s raining steadily, and the moss beneath our feet is slick, but Stamets, 57, barrels across it like a grizzly bear heading for a stump full of honey. He vaults over fallen trees, scrambles up muddy ravines, plows through shin-deep puddles in his rubber boots. He never slows down, but he halts abruptly whenever a specimen demands his attention.

This outing is part of a workshop on the fungi commonly known as mushrooms — a class of organisms whose cell walls are stiffened by a molecule called chitin instead of the cellulose found in plants, and whose most ardent scientific evangelist is the man ahead of us. Stamets is trying to find a patch of chanterelles, a variety known for its exquisite flavor. But the species that stop him in his tracks, and bring a look of bliss to his bushy-bearded face, possess qualities far beyond the culinary.

He points to a clutch of plump oyster mushrooms halfway up an alder trunk. “These could clean up oil spills all over the planet,” he says. He ducks beneath a rotting log, where a rare, beehive-like Agarikon dangles. “This could provide a defense against weaponized smallpox.” He plucks a tiny, gray Mycena alcalina from the soil and holds it under our noses. “Smell that? It seems to be outgassing chlorine.” To Stamets, that suggests it can break down toxic chlorine-based polychlorinated biphenyls, or PCBs.

http://discovermagazine.com/2013/julyaug/13-mushrooms-clean-up-oil-spills-nuclear-meltdowns-and-human-health#.UnlvIhCYaSo

 

Bennyboy

(10,440 posts)
42. Yeah one of the most interesting things ever
Mon Nov 11, 2013, 02:46 PM
Nov 2013

if you ask me. Fungus. I've been into this guy for a long time and he really makes a very compelling case. the thing is this is right up the Christians alley right here, of the earth for the earth, god made it it is good line. But they always take the line that if a corporation made it out of toxins it is good. Imagine what is going on in the gulf? We could ahve solved it naturally without the same companies that bespoiled the earth bespoiling it again to keep it out of sight.

or FUKU? seems like we should be running tests right this instant to find out if his claims are valid. Sadly, tehy will come to a solution that only keeps profits to the energy companies. by using more energy.

 

johnlucas

(1,250 posts)
39. So Super Mario's Mushroom Kingdom tells the truth about Earth, huh?
Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:48 PM
Nov 2013

Looks like the Japanese did their research.
And all this time we just thought they got high!



Look. Giant ravenous plants & even dinosaurs!
John Lucas

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