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July 17, 2013 3:14 pm
Long Before Trees Overtook the Land, Earth Was Covered by Giant Mushrooms
Digging up a Prototaxites fossil. Photo: University of Chicago
From around 420 to 350 million years ago, when land plants were still the relatively new kids on the evolutionary block and the tallest trees stood just a few feet high, giant spires of life poked from the Earth. The ancient organism boasted trunks up to 24 feet (8 meters) high and as wide as three feet (one meter), said National Geographic in 2007. With the help of a fossil dug up in Saudi Arabia scientists finally figured out what the giant creature was: a fungus. (We think.)
The towering fungus spires would have stood out against a landscape scarce of such giants, said New Scientist in 2007.
A 6-metre fungus would be odd enough in the modern world, but at least we are used to trees quite a bit bigger, says Boyce. Plants at that time were a few feet tall, invertebrate animals were small, and there were no terrestrial vertebrates. This fossil would have been all the more striking in such a diminutive landscape.
Fossils of the organisms, known as Prototaxites, had peppered the paleontological findings of the past century and a half, ever since they were first discovered by a Canadian in 1859. But despite the fossil records, no one could figure out what the heck these giant spires were. The University of Chicago:
For the next 130 years, debate raged. Some scientists called Prototaxites a lichen, others a fungus, and still others clung to the notion that it was some kind of tree. The problem is that when you look up close at the anatomy, its evocative of a lot of different things, but its diagnostic of nothing, says Boyce, an associate professor in geophysical sciences and the Committee on Evolutionary Biology. And its so damn big that when whenever someone says itssomething, everyone elses hackles get up: How could you have a lichen 20 feet tall?
That all changed in 2007 when a study came out that concluded the spires were a fungus, like a gigantic early mushroom.
But not everyone was sold on the idea that Prototaxites was an early fungus...
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longship
(40,416 posts)Or, how about a horror flick title, The Fungus Among Us, with the requisite clueless teenager who goes out alone at night with a faulty flashlight. The script writes itself.
phantom power
(25,966 posts)MyshkinCommaPrince
(611 posts)Love that movie. I always wonder whether it should be included in the family tree of Romero-type zombie movies. Hmm.
The movie was the first thing I thought of, upon reading this thread's title.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)But they died because there wasn't mushroom.
progressoid
(49,983 posts)Lochloosa
(16,063 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Allman Brothers, too
panader0
(25,816 posts)I had my share........
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Not joking!
i loathe those rubbery things... does anyone remember the movie 'Journey to the center of the Earth' with James Mason? Remember what they found to eat? Giant mushrooms.......
Tansy_Gold
(17,856 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)Mushrooms make me wretch. But I love new scientific discoveries.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Oh,..."I've got a brain in a jar!"
muriel_volestrangler
(101,307 posts)As a fungus, it's not photosynthesising, so it doesn't have to get above competing organisms, like trees do. It's consuming dead material down at ground level. Why invest so much energy to produce something that tall?
JoeyT
(6,785 posts)or spread them around to more distant areas in strong winds, maybe?
I was kind of wondering the same thing.
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)the stems and caps we call 'mushrooms' are merely the fruit put out by much larger web-thread organisms...
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muriel_volestrangler
(101,307 posts)and it remains true that an 8m high fruit would be very unusual.
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)We wouldn't need umbrellas, then, would we?
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)i.e, a lichen. Growing as it did would provide it more surface area for light. The fossils remind me of stromatolites from marine environments, which also grow fairly large and seem to produce a growth pattern of rings.
Javaman
(62,521 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)...Classic.
mike_c
(36,281 posts)Not sure I'm sold, yet. Most fungi are detritivores, and land fungi are mostly dependent upon plant biomass, which would have been in short supply precisely when this supposed massive fungus lived on..., what? If there were prolific fungi around, how did plant biomass form the great fossil hydrocarbon reserves we're so busy converting into green house gasses today?
eppur_se_muova
(36,260 posts)In fact, they started forming after Prototaxites died out, apparently ...
mike_c
(36,281 posts)Sorry if I didn't make that clear. The assumption has generally been that fungal detritivores were absent or not ecologically important during the Carboniferous, which implies that they didn't evolve widespread, general detritivory of plant biomass until later. But interpreting Prototaxites as fungal suggests that they were present far earlier. The most parsimonious explanation is that fungi were relatively unimportant until after the Carboniferous.
I'm not a fungal systematist by any means, however. Just thinking out loud.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)and have been around just as long. I doubt they were unimportant ecological actors. The question is whether they were able to efficiently decompose the various structural polymers that plants were evolving over that time (lignins, cellulose, etc.). In addition to their roles as decomposers, fungi are quite good at parasitism and symbiosis.
I'm not 100% convinced that Prototaxites is a fungus, but it's at least a possibility.
As a mycologist I would like to think that my favorite group of organisms dominated the land in pre-historic times.
mike_c
(36,281 posts)...Prototaxites was presumably not saprophytic, or at least not so efficiently so that its descendents could handle the great biomass of Carboniferous vegetation.
I'm not a mycologist, though. Are there any modern multicellular saprophytic fungi that primitively lack cellulases, etc? 425 MYA heterotrophs were just beginning to move onto land, and the metazoan heterotrophs at that point were small arthropods. If Prototaxites was mycorrhizal, or, parasitic, it would presumably be highly allometric with its hosts.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)But I think they are relatively recent compared to the age of Prototaxites. My guess is that if it is fungal it was something like a mycorrhizal and/or lichen symbiote that had a perennial fruiting body that built up layer by layer. If a fungus, it was probably not a purely saprotrophic organism, especially given the size to which it grew.
Ace Acme
(1,464 posts)After all, the mycelium body of the beast was underground. Just thinking out loud.
paulkienitz
(1,296 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Approximately.
nightscanner59
(802 posts)And one of my favorite side dishes, too!
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)nightscanner59
(802 posts)I have hard enough time keeping my reality grasp to indulge in hallucinogens anymore.
Deep13
(39,154 posts)Bennyboy
(10,440 posts)Bennyboy
(10,440 posts)Paul Staments is the guy and he makes a compelling case for mushrooms. I could too, but that is a whole 'nother deal.
Crusading mycologist Paul Stamets says fungi can clean up everything from oil spills to nuclear meltdowns.
For Paul Stamets, the phrase mushroom hunt does not denote a leisurely stroll with a napkin-lined basket. This morning, a half-dozen of us are struggling to keep up with the mycologist as he charges through a fir-and-alder forest on Cortes Island, British Columbia. Its raining steadily, and the moss beneath our feet is slick, but Stamets, 57, barrels across it like a grizzly bear heading for a stump full of honey. He vaults over fallen trees, scrambles up muddy ravines, plows through shin-deep puddles in his rubber boots. He never slows down, but he halts abruptly whenever a specimen demands his attention.
This outing is part of a workshop on the fungi commonly known as mushrooms a class of organisms whose cell walls are stiffened by a molecule called chitin instead of the cellulose found in plants, and whose most ardent scientific evangelist is the man ahead of us. Stamets is trying to find a patch of chanterelles, a variety known for its exquisite flavor. But the species that stop him in his tracks, and bring a look of bliss to his bushy-bearded face, possess qualities far beyond the culinary.
He points to a clutch of plump oyster mushrooms halfway up an alder trunk. These could clean up oil spills all over the planet, he says. He ducks beneath a rotting log, where a rare, beehive-like Agarikon dangles. This could provide a defense against weaponized smallpox. He plucks a tiny, gray Mycena alcalina from the soil and holds it under our noses. Smell that? It seems to be outgassing chlorine. To Stamets, that suggests it can break down toxic chlorine-based polychlorinated biphenyls, or PCBs.
http://discovermagazine.com/2013/julyaug/13-mushrooms-clean-up-oil-spills-nuclear-meltdowns-and-human-health#.UnlvIhCYaSo
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)Thanks for the link!
Bennyboy
(10,440 posts)if you ask me. Fungus. I've been into this guy for a long time and he really makes a very compelling case. the thing is this is right up the Christians alley right here, of the earth for the earth, god made it it is good line. But they always take the line that if a corporation made it out of toxins it is good. Imagine what is going on in the gulf? We could ahve solved it naturally without the same companies that bespoiled the earth bespoiling it again to keep it out of sight.
or FUKU? seems like we should be running tests right this instant to find out if his claims are valid. Sadly, tehy will come to a solution that only keeps profits to the energy companies. by using more energy.
johnlucas
(1,250 posts)Looks like the Japanese did their research.
And all this time we just thought they got high!
Look. Giant ravenous plants & even dinosaurs!
John Lucas