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Judi Lynn

(160,525 posts)
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 04:49 PM Nov 2013

Infant galaxies merge near 'cosmic dawn'

Infant galaxies merge near 'cosmic dawn'

Posted November 22, 2013 - 02:45 by TG Daily Staff

Astronomers using the combined power of the Atacama Large Millimeter/submillimeter Array (ALMA) telescope in Chile and NASA’s Hubble and Spitzer space telescopes have discovered a far-flung trio of primitive galaxies nestled inside an enormous blob of primordial gas nearly 13 billion light-years from Earth. It's possible the trio will eventually merge into a single galaxy similar to our own Milky Way.

"This exceedingly rare triple system, seen when the universe was only 800 million years old, provides important insights into the earliest stages of galaxy formation during a period known as 'cosmic dawn,' when the universe was first bathed in starlight,” said Richard Ellis of the California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, a member of the research team.



Researchers first detected this object, which appeared to be a giant bubble of hot, ionized gas, in 2009. Dubbed Himiko (after a legendary queen of ancient Japan), it is nearly 10 times larger than typical galaxies of that era and comparable in size to our own Milky Way. Subsequent infrared observations with NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope provided more clues about the object's mass, suggesting Himiko might represent a single galaxy, which would make it uncharacteristically massive for that period of the early universe.

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Infant galaxies merge near 'cosmic dawn' (Original Post) Judi Lynn Nov 2013 OP
I haven't tried to do the math on this, but... docgee Nov 2013 #1
The space through which the light travels has itself been expanding, and at FTL speeds. Posteritatis Nov 2013 #2

docgee

(870 posts)
1. I haven't tried to do the math on this, but...
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 05:03 PM
Nov 2013

If such a galaxy is some 20 billion light years away and supposedly represents the universe at a young 800 million years, which has been traveling away from the big bang (at unknown speed), and our galaxy is probably not in the center of the universe, why has it take this long for the light to get here? Shouldn't it have started here, or relatively near here if the universe was only 800 million years old and therefore (at max speed of light) be 800(x2) million light years wide? Seems like proof light speed is not the fastest speed or the universe is much older and bigger or something.

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
2. The space through which the light travels has itself been expanding, and at FTL speeds.
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 07:21 PM
Nov 2013

The observable universe is about 45-46 billion lightyears in radius despite being 13.7 billion years old, which stretches a lot of things like that out in non-intuitive ways.

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