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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 11:05 AM Oct 2014

World's Longest Snake Has Virgin Birth



Virgin birth has been documented in the world's longest snake for the first time, a recent study says.

An 11-year-old reticulated python named Thelma produced six female offspring in June 2012 at the Louisville Zoo in Kentucky, where she lives with another female python, Louise. No male had ever slithered anywhere near the 200-pound (91-kilogram), 20-foot-long (6 meters) mother snake.

New DNA evidence, published in July in the Biological Journal of the Linnean Society, revealed that Thelma is the sole parent, said Bill McMahan, the zoo's curator of ectotherms, or cold-blooded animals. (Read: "'Virgin Birth' Seen in Wild Snakes, Even When Males Are Available.&quot

"We didn't know what we were seeing. We had attributed it to stored sperm," he said. "I guess sometimes truth is stranger than fiction."

Virgin births have been observed in other reptiles before, including other pythons and snake species, said James Hanken, a professor of herpetology at Harvard University in Cambridge, Massachusetts.

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http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/10/141023-virgin-birth-pythons-snakes-animals-science/
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World's Longest Snake Has Virgin Birth (Original Post) n2doc Oct 2014 OP
But is raising snakes without a father good for snake society? shenmue Oct 2014 #1
She looks kind of bored. NV Whino Oct 2014 #2
Um, wait ... **SIX** virgin births ? All female ? eppur_se_muova Oct 2014 #3
Thousands of species snakes are viviparous, i.e. live bearers. ladjf Oct 2014 #4
Then what about ... FiveGoodMen Oct 2014 #7
Well, perhaps that have made a mistake. There might have been a male snake in this female's past. ladjf Oct 2014 #8
Then the baby snake would have DNA other than its mother's. FiveGoodMen Oct 2014 #9
OK> Explanation #2: Perhaps the mother snake is a rare hermaphrodite specimen ladjf Oct 2014 #10
You should really know when to fold Xipe Totec Oct 2014 #11
They are professional scientists .... who do this for a living ... brett_jv Oct 2014 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author ladjf Oct 2014 #14
Then the DNA wouldn't be a match to just the mother NickB79 Oct 2014 #17
Well, here goes the scientific explanation. ladjf Oct 2014 #18
The Messiah has been born PeoViejo Oct 2014 #5
The offspring must be a deity then phil89 Oct 2014 #6
It's been observed before in multiple species. Never spawned a religion yet. Yo_Mama Oct 2014 #12
I thought zombies reproduce by biting humans? Thor_MN Oct 2014 #15
I am so old we did not have zombies in my day Yo_Mama Oct 2014 #16
I wish I could find a parthenogenetic chicken NickB79 Oct 2014 #19
Chicks are cute and fluffy, so thus no parthenogenesis Yo_Mama Oct 2014 #20

shenmue

(38,506 posts)
1. But is raising snakes without a father good for snake society?
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 11:07 AM
Oct 2014

How will Mama Snake ever get married?

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
4. Thousands of species snakes are viviparous, i.e. live bearers.
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 11:45 AM
Oct 2014

Viviparous animals can be impregnated once and bear several batches of offspring. This often happens in home aquariums with guppies, platies , mollies and other viviparous fish. Since I have observed this many times in fish, I would assume that the female snake was impregnated with sperm at some time in the past and that that stored sperm created multiple batches of offspring.

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/bio99/bio99857.htm

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
7. Then what about ...
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 12:30 PM
Oct 2014

"New DNA evidence, published in July in the Biological Journal of the Linnean Society, revealed that Thelma is the sole parent"

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
10. OK> Explanation #2: Perhaps the mother snake is a rare hermaphrodite specimen
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 01:20 PM
Oct 2014

with functional ovaries and testes . She/he may have fertilized their own egg.

brett_jv

(1,245 posts)
13. They are professional scientists .... who do this for a living ...
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 03:14 PM
Oct 2014

Don't you think that would have been 'possibility #2' (right after the first one you postulated) ... i.e. that they would've already considered it?

What you're talking about would be the kind of mistake a scientist from 1914 MAYBE makes, but most certainly not the kind that one in 2014 makes ... esp. since we now have DNA testing

Response to brett_jv (Reply #13)

NickB79

(19,233 posts)
17. Then the DNA wouldn't be a match to just the mother
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 12:10 PM
Oct 2014

Offspring from a hermaphroditic snake would have mixed DNA just like those born from a mating. In essence, the testes inside the mother would be functioning like the testes of a separate, male snake.

The fact that her DNA matched that of her offpspring shows she is not a hermaphrodite.

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
18. Well, here goes the scientific explanation.
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 12:31 PM
Oct 2014

Parthenogenesis is a mode of asexual reproduction in which offspring are produced by females without the genetic contribution of a male. This article from Wikipedia will explain it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthenogenesis_in_reptiles



 

PeoViejo

(2,178 posts)
5. The Messiah has been born
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 11:51 AM
Oct 2014

there are six and all female. Hiss..let me tell you a secret.....The Jungle Book has them all.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
12. It's been observed before in multiple species. Never spawned a religion yet.
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 10:41 AM
Oct 2014

Komodo dragon:
http://www.livescience.com/9460-female-komodo-dragon-virgin-births.html

Lizards, snakes, even SHARKS:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/10/081010173054.htm

Crayfish!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmorkrebs

As long as the species is icky enough, it's probable that it can reproduce by parthenogenesis. I can't remember a case of a cute-and-cuddly species reproducing this way.

Using the "it's got to be icky" rule, I searched for details on parthenogenetic spiders:
http://www.americanarachnology.org/joa_free/joa_v31_n2/arac-031-02-0274.pdf

On edit:
One suspects that zombies, being very icky, might be capable of reproducing by parthenogenesis, probably after a blood meal.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
15. I thought zombies reproduce by biting humans?
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 11:34 PM
Oct 2014

They create new zombies by biting people. The aren't looking for brains, just bodies...

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
16. I am so old we did not have zombies in my day
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 09:34 AM
Oct 2014

So I am not up on the zombie life-cycle. They were not in any of our textbooks or curricula.

I note only that apparently they are reproducing very quickly, and I don't see the American death rate going up in CDC mortality tables. So there must be something we don't know about their reproductive cycle.

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NickB79

(19,233 posts)
19. I wish I could find a parthenogenetic chicken
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 12:43 PM
Oct 2014

I bet there'd be an insane market for those. Each bird, capable of generating an entire flock by itself.

Since birds are descended from reptiles, maybe, theoretically possible?

The Doomsday Preppers would pay a fortune for a few of those

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
20. Chicks are cute and fluffy, so thus no parthenogenesis
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 03:38 PM
Oct 2014

On the other hand, if you concentrated on breeding a really, really ugly chicken variety, perhaps?

Go for it, I say!

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