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TexasTowelie

(112,127 posts)
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 03:11 AM Oct 2017

NASA's New Ion Thruster Breaks Records, Could Take Humans to Mars In Just 40 Days

NASA’s new X3 thruster, which is being developed by researchers at the University of Michigan in collaboration with the agency and the US Air Force, has broken records in recent test. It’s hoped that the technology could be used to ferry humans to Mars. The X3 is a type of Hall thruster, a design that uses a stream of ions to propel a spacecraft.

Plasma is expelled to generate thrust, producing far greater speeds than are possible with chemical propulsion rockets, according to NASA. A chemical rocket tops out at around five kilometers per second (1.86 miles/sec), while a Hall thruster can reach speeds of up to 40 kilometers per second (25 miles/sec). This kind of increase is particularly relevant to long-distance space travel, like a prospective voyage to Mars.

In fact, project team leaders project that ion propulsion technology such as this could take humans to the Red Planet within the next 20 years. Ion engines are also more efficient than their chemical-powered counterparts, requiring much less propellant to transport a similar amount of crew and equipment over large distances. Alec Gallimore, the project lead, stated that ionic propulsion can go around ten times farther using a similar amount of fuel in an interview with Space.com.

There are of course many other forms of deep-space travel on the table. The flaw of chemical-based designs is the need to bring the chemical fuel with them into space, which adds more mass that needs more fuel to lift into space, and so on. A Bussard ramjet, which is a type of fusion rocket, collects diffuse hydrogen in space with a huge scoop, which means, since its fuel is picked up en route, that it could approach light speed.

Read more: http://www.thespaceacademy.org/2017/10/nasas-new-ion-thruster-breaks-records.html

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NASA's New Ion Thruster Breaks Records, Could Take Humans to Mars In Just 40 Days (Original Post) TexasTowelie Oct 2017 OP
Ad Astra! roscoeroscoe Oct 2017 #1
Let me pack. Laffy Kat Oct 2017 #2
Ha! Earth is Eden compared to Mars. Try living at the top of Everest for a year. Nitram Oct 2017 #6
I read about this in an Arthur C Clark book back in the 60s Canoe52 Oct 2017 #3
Yeah! Jules Verne wrote about going to the moon... ret5hd Oct 2017 #5
I know,right? Canoe52 Oct 2017 #9
Nothing new?! NASA has made some huge breakthroughs on a propulsion system that Nitram Oct 2017 #7
Lol, my post was a bit of the old tongue in cheek. Canoe52 Oct 2017 #12
Actually Konstantin Tsiolskovsky as far back as 1911 LongTomH Oct 2017 #10
"Could approach light speed"? DoctorPepper Oct 2017 #4
"20 years is about all this country has left (at the most)" Nitram Oct 2017 #8
Wasn't Henny Penny baking a cake? DoctorPepper Oct 2017 #11
Henny Penny wsa hit on the head by something falling and went around warning everybody that Nitram Oct 2017 #15
Well I ain't gonna argue DoctorPepper Oct 2017 #16
I did before I posted, just to make sure. Now who looks foolish? Nitram Oct 2017 #18
Looks like it's me. DoctorPepper Oct 2017 #19
I think neither is likely in the near future. Nitram Oct 2017 #20
Add a nuclear power plant and you've got a ship that can travel anywhere in the solar system... hunter Oct 2017 #13
It's a step but I am still waiting for warp drive or something similar that will let us cstanleytech Oct 2017 #14
It would be useful, before there's too much cheering, to calculate the energy involved in a... NNadir Oct 2017 #17

Nitram

(22,791 posts)
6. Ha! Earth is Eden compared to Mars. Try living at the top of Everest for a year.
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 10:11 AM
Oct 2017

"Mars ain't a place to raise your kids. In fact, it's cold as Hell."

Canoe52

(2,948 posts)
3. I read about this in an Arthur C Clark book back in the 60s
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 05:07 AM
Oct 2017

That method of propulsion has been around for a while! Nothing new...

ret5hd

(20,491 posts)
5. Yeah! Jules Verne wrote about going to the moon...
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 08:19 AM
Oct 2017

so what was such a big deal about actually doing it? I just don't get it, do you?

Nitram

(22,791 posts)
7. Nothing new?! NASA has made some huge breakthroughs on a propulsion system that
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 10:14 AM
Oct 2017

until now was far too weak to be practical. A great deal is new.

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
10. Actually Konstantin Tsiolskovsky as far back as 1911
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 11:50 AM
Oct 2017

From the Wikipedia article:

The first person to mention the idea publicly was Konstantin Tsiolkovsky in 1911.[3] However, the first document to consider electric propulsion is Robert H. Goddard's handwritten notebook in an entry dated September 6, 1906.[4] The first experiments with ion thrusters were carried out by Goddard at Clark University from 1916–1917.[5] The technique was recommended for near-vacuum conditions at high altitude, but thrust was demonstrated with ionized air streams at atmospheric pressure. The idea appeared again in Hermann Oberth's "Wege zur Raumschiffahrt” (Ways to Spaceflight), published in 1923, where he explained his thoughts on the mass savings of electric propulsion, predicted its use in spacecraft propulsion and attitude control, and advocated electrostatic acceleration of charged gases.[3]

A working ion thruster was built by Harold R. Kaufman in 1959 at the NASA Glenn Research Center facilities. It was similar to a gridded electrostatic ion thruster and used mercury for propellant. Suborbital tests were conducted during the 1960s and in 1964, the engine was sent into a suborbital flight aboard the Space Electric Rocket Test 1 (SERT 1).[6][7] It successfully operated for the planned 31 minutes before falling to Earth.[8] This test was followed by an orbital test, SERT-2, in 1970.[9][10]

An alternate form of electric propulsion, the Hall effect thruster was studied independently in the U.S. and the Soviet Union in the 1950s and 1960s. Hall effect thrusters had operated on Soviet satellites since 1972. Until the 1990s they were mainly used for satellite stabilization in North-South and in East-West directions. Some 100–200 engines completed missions on Soviet and Russian satellites until the late 1990s.[11] Soviet thruster design was introduced to the West in 1992 after a team of electric propulsion specialists, under the support of the Ballistic Missile Defense Organization, visited Soviet laboratories.


Some older members may actually remember the Walt Disney program: Mars and Beyond in 1957. Dr. Wernher von Braun described a fleet of ion-propelled spacecraft that could journey to Mars in 400 days. This latest version of ion propulsion could beat that by about six months.

 

DoctorPepper

(35 posts)
4. "Could approach light speed"?
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 05:16 AM
Oct 2017

If you're traveling at light speed, does it help to turn on the headlights?

P.S. 20 years is about all this country has left (at the most) so I wouldn't be betting on that Mars mission happening anytime soon.

Nitram

(22,791 posts)
8. "20 years is about all this country has left (at the most)"
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 10:15 AM
Oct 2017

I see Henny Penny is alive and well, and posting on DU.

 

DoctorPepper

(35 posts)
11. Wasn't Henny Penny baking a cake?
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 02:10 PM
Oct 2017

You may have her mixed up with Chicken Little. I'm just being realistic here though... This experiment in representative democracy is almost over. I just don't see how we simultaneously deal with the consequences of that, and plan a trip to Mars.

Nitram

(22,791 posts)
15. Henny Penny wsa hit on the head by something falling and went around warning everybody that
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 08:19 AM
Oct 2017

"The sky is falling! The sky is falling!" Each animal she told joined her and they were all shouting the warning together, "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!" Classic case of mass hysteria.

 

DoctorPepper

(35 posts)
16. Well I ain't gonna argue
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 04:16 PM
Oct 2017

You can look up the story for yourself if you want to stop looking foolish.

 

DoctorPepper

(35 posts)
19. Looks like it's me.
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 02:12 PM
Oct 2017

I guess I was thinking of the little red hen story. I've heard the name "Henny Penny" before but always associated Chicken Little with the "Sky is falling" story.

Well, now that we have that cleared up...

What's more reasonable to believe? That we're going to send a manned mission to Mars in the near future, or that civil unrest will make such dreams impossible?

In order to achieve great things, you need a solid base first.

Nitram

(22,791 posts)
20. I think neither is likely in the near future.
Fri Oct 20, 2017, 08:31 AM
Oct 2017

Trump doesn't have the focus or the ability to inspire the country to take on such a project, and the economy isn't on sure enough footing for such a mission.

hunter

(38,310 posts)
13. Add a nuclear power plant and you've got a ship that can travel anywhere in the solar system...
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 05:26 PM
Oct 2017

... in surprisingly short time.

cstanleytech

(26,283 posts)
14. It's a step but I am still waiting for warp drive or something similar that will let us
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 10:24 PM
Oct 2017

truly explore what is out there in the universe.

NNadir

(33,512 posts)
17. It would be useful, before there's too much cheering, to calculate the energy involved in a...
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 09:07 PM
Oct 2017

...a collision with a small rock, say a pebble, weighing about two grams for a large craft travelling at 25 miles per second..

Try it. It's fun, especially with the (small) relativistic correction.

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