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TexasTowelie

(111,825 posts)
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 05:35 AM Mar 2018

UCSD professor devises way to recycle lithium-ion batteries

The promise of a global electric vehicle transformation has a looming problem.

The cathodes in the lithium-ion batteries typically used in electric vehicles, or EVs, are made of metal oxides that contain cobalt, a metal found in finite supplies and concentrated in one of the globe’s more precarious countries.

But an assistant professor at the University of California San Diego says he has developed a way to recycle used cathodes from spent lithium-ion batteries and restore them to the point that they work as good as new.

“Yes, it can work effectively,” said Zheng Chen, a 31-year-old who works as a nano-engineer at the Sustainable Power and Energy Center at the Jacobs School of Engineering.

Read more: http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/energy-green/sd-fi-battery-recycling-20180316-story.html

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UCSD professor devises way to recycle lithium-ion batteries (Original Post) TexasTowelie Mar 2018 OP
We just cant have all that fancy learnin... czarjak Mar 2018 #1
K&R... druidity33 Mar 2018 #2
Musk's companies are frankly, living in terror of the cobalt issue. It's a useful corrective... NNadir Mar 2018 #3
Bullshit article Callmecrazy Mar 2018 #4
NNadir Eko Mar 2018 #5
Really? The IEA World Energy Outlook is bullshit? Solar and wind are just great?!? NNadir Mar 2018 #6
Coals dying in much of the world. Igel Mar 2018 #7
Coal, which should be banned, is NOT dying. NNadir Mar 2018 #8
My favorite one... jmowreader Mar 2018 #9
I really like that locution: Grade School Science Fair Project. NNadir Mar 2018 #10

NNadir

(33,449 posts)
3. Musk's companies are frankly, living in terror of the cobalt issue. It's a useful corrective...
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 01:44 PM
Mar 2018

...to recognize this limitation on the hype about this useless billionaire and his useless car for other billionaires and millionaires that somehow has become popular on the left.

It's yet another indication that the really, really, really, really bourgeois people who nominally embrace liberal values are willing to endure child slavery and other horrors in order to have a temporary "feel good" but oblivious approach to the environment.

Amnesty Internatiohnal; the dark side of electric cars.

Amnesty International is not an organization that bends its focus to bourgeois fantasies.

Electric cars are clean only to the limited extant that electricity is clean. It isn't. Despite all the hype - half a century of it - about wind and solar energy, they remain a trivial source of energy on this planet. Between 2000-2016 the amount of energy produced by coal grew by 60 exajoules to 157 exajoules out of 576 exajoules of energy consumed on this planet. This makes it the fastest growing source of energy on this planet during the 21st century. Solar and wind combined, as of 2016 didn't produce 10 exajoules.

IEA 2017 World Energy Outlook, Table 2.2 page 79 (MTOE converted to exajoules.)

Of course, the marketing arm of the Tesla company doesn't want anyone to know this, and so they do bullshit marketing stuff like attach tiny and effectively useless single solar panels on their charging stations. It's nothing more than marketing; toxic marketing, designed to mislead. It is a lie, a deliberate misrepresentation, Trumpian in scale.

The popularity of Musk is, in my view, also Trumpian. People buy into his lies and his cowboy antics without a shred of critical thinking. He's not helping the environment; he's hurting it, since most of what solar energy has produced is not energy, but rather is deliberately engineered complacency and wishful thinking. His hype about "solar powered cars" is destructive, bordering on ethically criminal.

Electric cars are trivial on this planet. If all the batteries in all of them were recycled, they would remain trivial. Were they to become a significant factor in transportation under current technology they would require far more cobalt, and since cobalt is monoisotopic, there is no way to trace its origins. It will be dug under horrible conditions, near or actual slavery, in the Congo region, which has been suffering horrific human tragedy going back to the days of Leopold's rubber plantations - to fill the appetite of Westerners for their consumer society. Moreover, the thermodynamic nightmare of charging these technological monstrosities would increase the amounts of dangerous natural gas burned in this country, and coal - the fastest growing source of energy on this planet - elsewhere.

It's a real human tragedy, as Marlowe reported Kurtz to say in Conrad's Heart of Darkness: "The horror, the horror, the horror..."

Callmecrazy

(3,065 posts)
4. Bullshit article
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 07:11 PM
Mar 2018

Solar and wind energy is taking off all over the world. Coal is dying out and the mining companies put these articles out because they're scared.

NNadir

(33,449 posts)
6. Really? The IEA World Energy Outlook is bullshit? Solar and wind are just great?!?
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 07:40 PM
Mar 2018

Last edited Sun Mar 18, 2018, 09:04 AM - Edit history (1)

Listen, CallMeCrazy - and I might - right this fucking minute the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is at 410 ppm, after being just at 385 ppm ten years ago.

Maybe this graph doesn't mean much to air heads worshiping that bullshit billionaire Musk living on the public dole, but it means something to people called "environmentalists""



In the year 2000, investments in that consumer crap, solar and wind, began reaching all time highs, and we've now squandered, in the last ten years over 2 trillion dollars on that crap, as reported by cheerleaders for this mine driven nightmare:

This information is here, in the UNEP Frankfurt School Report, issued each year: GLOBAL TRENDS IN RENEWABLE ENERGY INVESTMENT 2017

We spent this money on these dangerous fantasies on a planet where over 2 billion people lack access even to primitive sanitary conditions.

This fantasy is not even remotely connected with what I personally regard as liberal values.

The delusional horseshit that mining cadmium and lanthanides in China for so called "renewable energy," - which is not actually renewable nor remotely clean - actually recalls Burke's famous admonition: "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

If one were to open a science book - or simply go to websites about the rate of carbon dioxide accumulations in the atmosphere - one might understand how useless so called "renewable energy" is.

Unfortunately, people would rather repeat pablum, left and right, rather than do what must be done to show a shred of decency to future generations.

That won't happen though. We'll keep sticking cotton in our ears and chanting "solar and wind is (sic) taking off all over the world."

Bullshit. They didn't work. They aren't working. They won't work. It's trash thinking, a waste of money and resources, and a crime against all future generations.

Have a nice weekend.

Igel

(35,268 posts)
7. Coals dying in much of the world.
Sun Mar 18, 2018, 12:49 AM
Mar 2018

But natural gas and oil are picking up the load. Less CO2, but only a little in the grand scheme of things.

For wind and solar to really take off we need storage. That means batteries.

For electric vehicles, we need storage. And that means batteries.

That's the weak link. And the point of the article. It's something a lot of people have known about for years. Want 20 million electric cars? Not gonna happen in the near future. There's a resource bottleneck. Several, actually.

This might be one solution, but one article does not an industry make. Might not even be valid research. Might not be scalable. Might not work under real-world conditions.

Sodium-ion batteries are better, getting rid of one bottleneck. But it keeps others.

As for the ridiculous little trickle-charge solar cell? It really is ridiculous. They make them for regular cars, you know? But they basically just keep the battery charged when it's sitting there unused.

NNadir

(33,449 posts)
8. Coal, which should be banned, is NOT dying.
Sun Mar 18, 2018, 10:55 AM
Mar 2018

Again, from 2000-2016, the entire recorded 21st century thus far, it was the fastest growing source of energy on this planet.

From 2000-2016, natural gas consumption on this planet grew by 39.19 exajoules to a total of 125.9 exajoules out of 576 exajoules, a 45.2% increase.

From 2000-2016, oil consumption on this planet grew by 30.1 exajoules to a total of 183.7 exajoules out of 576 exajoules, a 19.6% increase.

From 2000-2016, coal consumption on this planet grew by 60.4 exajoules to a total of 157.2 exajoules out of 576 exajoules, a 62.5% increase.

In "percent talk," the talk used by so called "renewable energy" advocates to obscure the uselessness of so called "renewable energy," coal easily outstripped both natural gas and oil in terms of increases. I would hardly characterize this data as a statement as a confirmation of the oft repeated "coal is dying" remark which is not even remotely close to being true.

Speaking of "percent talk" from 2000-2016, so called "renewable energy grew by 6.9 exajoules to a total of 9.4 exajoules out of 576 exajoules, a 275% increase.

This data is here, authored by the International Energy Agency's scientists and economists:

IEA 2017 World Energy Outlook, Table 2.2 page 79 (I have converted MTOE in the original table to the SI unit exajoules in this text.)

And speaking of being misleading, the World Energy Outlook obviates why advocates of the failed and absurdly expensive so called "renewable energy" scam like to discuss in "percent talk." In absolute terms so called "renewable energy" is trivial, not worth the resources squandered on it. The continual use of "percent" talk by its advocates is equivalent to announcing that a guy with $2.10 who increases his wealth to $9.40 is the equivalent of Bill Gates increasing his wealth by 20%, a figure which would be in the tens of billions of dollars.

There is, I would say, a pretty big difference in absolute terms in increasing one's wealth by say, six dollars and thirty cents and increasing one's wealth by 20 billion dollars. One of these two scenarios is extremely unlikely to have one end up with one's picture on the cover of Forbes.

Now we might ask where the growth in coal is taking place, because there are billions of people on this planet who live on less than $10/day. We have a very provincial myopia in this country and don't give a rat's ass about the rest of the world, notably the third, and the second, world. But that's where the coal is being burned, at the cost to health of full human beings about whom we couldn't care less, because we're cutting coal use because of our ability to frack like madmen having total disregard for all future generations of Americans.

The place where the coal is being burned is in Asia largely, and the death toll there is enormous as a result, not even counting the health effects of the stuff mined there (with an energy cost associated with the mining in addition to the toxicology involved) to satiate our desire for many of us in the Western world to smugly declare ourselves "green" by buying into to the so called "renewable energy" scam.

Take a look at this graphic, from Nature showing where people die most frequently from air pollution.



Nature: China's annual air pollution deaths now stand at 1.4 million per year.

The death of coal, which is greatly exaggerated, is definitely a desirable outcome, but declaring victory over it now is simply an announcement that we don't have to do anything at all about it; it will just go away.

This is crazy. Coal won't go away, unless we unilaterally declare that because we're allegedly all going to buy idiotic Tesla electric cars from crony capitalist Elon Musk, people living in Hyderabad, or in Lagos, or in Tianjin, or any other of these huge cities about which we know nothing at all in the United States - 10's of millions of people - will be denied to power to run 60 watt lightbulbs a few hours a night.

There is only one viable option to replace coal, and that is the most maligned source of energy on this planet, despite being the safest and most sustainable source of energy on this planet: Nuclear energy.

In terms of human poverty and nuclear energy, Nobel Peace Laureate Mohammed El Baradei spoke eloquently about it:

Mohammed El Baradei on Nigeria

Like most Nobel Peace Laureates, El Baradei has been ignored.

Nuclear energy, which was the fastest growing source of air pollution free energy in the more intelligent 20th century is still producing basically what it was producing in the year 2000, a little over 28 exajoules of primary energy. The stupidity of this outcome will mark our generation as one of the most ignorant generations of all time. If we had trillions of dollars to spend on fighting dangerous fossil fuels, nuclear energy would have been a far more efficient and safer thing on which to spend it.

And by the way, I'm not interested in nuclear energy to fuel Musk's ridiculous car for his fellow billionaires and millionaires. I want it to do what it clearly can do in technically feasible terms: Eliminate human poverty.

Have a nice Sunday afternoon.



jmowreader

(50,514 posts)
9. My favorite one...
Thu Mar 22, 2018, 07:52 PM
Mar 2018

...is where some guy claims he's going to install solar panels to charge his Tesla.

I used various sources and found that if someone needed a 60-amp charger for his Tesla, you'd need $8500 worth of solar cells connected to $12,000 worth of Tesla Powerwall (because nothing comes out of your solar array when it's time to charge your car, and you'd need two of them) to charge up one car completely off the grid. How much electricity can you buy for twenty thousand bucks?

The kids think you're going to throw one solar panel up on a pole and magically get free energy sufficient to charge that car. Uhh...no. This is industrial shit, boys and girls. (The same people also think the "perfect way" to fix Teslas' charging time issues is to just swap batteries...which might be slightly practical if the damn things didn't weigh half a ton.)

What would probably work to lower CO2 emissions better than Elon Musk's Grade School Science Fair Project is just raising the registration fee for pickup trucks and SUVs not owned by businesses to $250, and lowering it 25 percent for cars that get over 40 mpg.

NNadir

(33,449 posts)
10. I really like that locution: Grade School Science Fair Project.
Thu Mar 22, 2018, 08:05 PM
Mar 2018

I hope you won't object if I steal that particular witticism, which accurately sums the whole thing up.

Thanks for your comment. In this space I'm used to being attacked for my criticism of this guy's scam; it seems to have some kind of badly misplaced iconic status among people who are supposed to care about the climate.

I, like Jim Hansen, am very much in favor of carbon taxes, and beyond carbon, external cost taxes, high taxes designed not only to displace the real costs, but also to invest in technologies that will actually work.

I like your proposal very much.

It is technically feasible to do away with fossil fuels while minimizing mining. Solar cells, wind turbines and batteries are not involved in any way in that technical feasibility.

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