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Related: About this forumApollo Astronaut: It Would Be "Stupid" to Send People to Mars
According to one of the astronauts aboard NASAs 1968 Apollo 8 mission, it would be stupid and almost ridiculous to pursue a crewed mission to Mars.
Whats the imperative? Whats pushing us to go to Mars? I dont think the public is that interested, said Bill Anders, who orbited the Moon before returning to Earth 50 years ago, in a new documentary by BBC Radio 5 Live.
Anders argued that there are plenty of things that NASA could be doing that would be a better use of time and money, like the unmanned InSight rover...
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Control-Z
(15,682 posts)at least when it comes to colonizing. Seems the Earth, even in its worst state, would be friendlier to colonizing.
exboyfil
(17,862 posts)We need to build O'Neill cylinders as soon as practical and ensure they are are Arc worthy. Able to continue humanity in case of an impactor or nuclear war. The moon and Mars are mostly gravity wells. We can get raw materials from asteroids easier. Big reason to examine Mars is the continued search for extraterrestrial life and our robot probes can do that as well.
PJMcK
(21,998 posts)From a practical perspective, that's not going to happen. Neither are the colonizations of the Moon and Mars. There isn't the national interest to support the incredible costs are prohibitive.
At the height of the Apollo program, NASA's budget was about 4% of the national budget. Today it is something like 0.025%. The kind of money needed isn't being spent and most likely won't be budgeted.
GemDigger
(4,305 posts)exboyfil
(17,862 posts)Side benefit is developing techniques to prevent earth impactors.
cstanleytech
(26,243 posts)be transported off the surface first and then all the way to earth.
cstanleytech
(26,243 posts)other planets both in our system and out of it.
Once we can do that then we should look at the potential for sending humans to other worlds.
Javaman
(62,504 posts)regardless of the gravity well costs and virtually no immediate benefits, we will continue to send humans out into space regardless of the cost, time and money spent in it's pursuit.
We went to the moon, not because it was easy but because it was hard.
Igel
(35,275 posts)The response to Sputnik was slow, and was mostly things like the National Defense Education Act of 1958.
The space race was not necessary, but was based on part fear and part jingoism (the two are never far apart). Otherwise, not much pushed us to the Moon. At lot of people thought the attempt to go to the Moon was "stupid" and that instead of even unmanned missions it was better to money to be spent at home. In the "guns or butter" tussle, NASA was still "guns".
If Nixon had won in '60 and proposed it, I suspect the (D) Congress would never have funded it. As it was, by '66 NASA funding was bitterly fought by other interests who said we needed the money to be put elsewhere. It was largely curtailed after it could be claimed we'd made our point and learned all we could from a dangerous program. Oh, yeah, and we needed to put the money elsewhere, but that was presented almost as an afterthought.
I was a big adherent of the manned Moon missions. Nobody hardly cares about unmanned probes. There's no PR in it, apart from pretty pictures. Let's face it, the pictures from Mars ... Not so pretty. From the Moon? Dismal. Let's not even discuss the Soviet Venera pictures. Cassini had some nice eye candy, of course. But not one of my students knew who Cassini was; they assumed Cassini was the designer (most thought Hubble was named after somebody still alive who designed or pushed for the Hubble. "What? He's DEAD?!!"
Without PR, you have trouble getting funding. Hubble pictures? Oooh, let's have mission to repair it, extend its life. Spitzer? Webb? Chandra? No pretty pictures. Even ALMA ...
Make the Mars mission about the people involved in it, those going on the mission, the risks and dangerous, and sure, people will split. It's a soap opera, and even the highly educated tend to like soap operas; hell, just look at how American politics is presented. But people are split already, but it's pretty much 99% uninterested and 1% interested. The new split will be much closer to 50-50%, and might actually get even those uninterested in the science thinking, "This could be cool." Even a 40-25-35% split would be a breakthrough. Musk's wanting to die on Mars created more of a stir than the Mars probes' all self-assembling into a Madonna robot and doing the hoochie-koochie would have.