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AZProgressive

(29,322 posts)
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 04:19 PM Oct 2021

Goodbye, Columbus: Vikings crossed the Atlantic 1,000 years ago

Oct 20 (Reuters) - Long before Columbus crossed the Atlantic, eight timber-framed buildings covered in sod stood on a terrace above a peat bog and stream at the northern tip of Canada's island of Newfoundland, evidence that the Vikings had reached the New World first.

But precisely when the Vikings journeyed to establish the L'Anse aux Meadows settlement had remained unclear - until now.

Scientists on Wednesday said a new type of dating technique using a long-ago solar storm as a reference point revealed that the settlement was occupied in 1021 AD, exactly a millennium ago and 471 years before the first voyage of Columbus. The technique was used on three pieces of wood cut for the settlement, all pointing to the same year.

The Viking voyage represents multiple milestones for humankind. The settlement offers the earliest-known evidence of a transatlantic crossing. It also marks the place where the globe was finally encircled by humans, who thousands of years earlier had trekked into North America over a land bridge that once connected Siberia to Alaska.

https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/science/goodbye-columbus-vikings-crossed-atlantic-1000-years-ago-2021-10-20/

I’m sure this is already well known but this is a recent story involving science.

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Goodbye, Columbus: Vikings crossed the Atlantic 1,000 years ago (Original Post) AZProgressive Oct 2021 OP
Thanks! . Narrowing date to one year by dendrochronology is the news, known only as of today. nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2021 #1
...and astronomy! Lucky Luciano Oct 2021 #4
... Faux pas Oct 2021 #2
We could make Leif Ericson day the October holiday cojoel Oct 2021 #3
Probably oughta see if he's worse than Columbus first. Iggo Oct 2021 #5
I hear that the Vikings were real sweethearts. comradebillyboy Oct 2021 #6
My kin folk were the nicest people any Anglo would want to meet LiberalArkie Oct 2021 #8
We are! The King of Prussia Oct 2021 #13
LOL...right? Iggo Oct 2021 #19
One difference is that Viking women participated in the raping and pillaging. Marcuse Oct 2021 #21
Some Vikings were Estonians, not Norse Wicked Blue Oct 2021 #25
Ha! modrepub Oct 2021 #23
A hop, skip and three jumps LynnTTT Oct 2021 #7
It's long been known that the Vikings got to this continent PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2021 #9
They failed to "subdue and dominate" the land localroger Oct 2021 #15
Columbus never got to the continent. cstanleytech Oct 2021 #22
There was no "New World" Cobalt Violet Oct 2021 #10
Luckily the indigenous people were equal technology-wise to the Vikings. Crowman2009 Oct 2021 #11
Plus the locals were pretty fierce warriors underpants Oct 2021 #17
Columbus was a filthy pig who worked slaves to death and had preteens as sex toys. The Jungle 1 Oct 2021 #12
Sort of like an ancient... SergeStorms Oct 2021 #14
I've been to L"Anse aux Meadows and stood in Lief Erikson's jpak Oct 2021 #16
"I'm sure this is already well known ..." left-of-center2012 Oct 2021 #18
Artist's conception? Beartracks Oct 2021 #20
Not The Cream of the Scandinavian Crop modrepub Oct 2021 #24

Marcuse

(7,473 posts)
21. One difference is that Viking women participated in the raping and pillaging.
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 07:39 PM
Oct 2021
Until relatively recently, it was thought to be mainly Viking men who sailed in longboats from their homeland in Norway, Denmark and Sweden to raid distant coastal settlements overseas.

However, the study which involved the reconstruction of 45 mitochondrial DNA sequences, showed the importance of the female Viking lineage in spreading the Norse people across the northern seas, said professor Erika Hagelberg of the University of Oslo.

“It seems to support the view that a significant number of women were involved in the settlement of the smaller isles, which overrules the idea that it just involved raping and pillaging by males going out on a rampage,” professor Hagelberg said.


[link:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/think-again-about-pillaging-viking-warriors-it-wasn-t-just-men-who-raided-britain-9910537.html|

LynnTTT

(362 posts)
7. A hop, skip and three jumps
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 05:49 PM
Oct 2021

The Vikings took it in steps and each journey was fairly short.
They probably went from Norway to the Shetland Islands and then to the faroe Island, then to Iceland and then Greenland then the sailing to Newfoundland. Remarkable, but a much shorter journey then Columbus took from Spain to St Croix.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,839 posts)
9. It's long been known that the Vikings got to this continent
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 05:52 PM
Oct 2021

well before Columbus.

And of course, they left behind settlements and, oh wait. They hung around for a little while and never came back.

localroger

(3,625 posts)
15. They failed to "subdue and dominate" the land
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 06:40 PM
Oct 2021

...which under common law is a prerequisite for claiming ownership. So it didn't count.

cstanleytech

(26,280 posts)
22. Columbus never got to the continent.
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 09:05 PM
Oct 2021

What he did do was establish for Europe at that time that there were lands to the west itself and that led to further exploration by others.

Cobalt Violet

(9,905 posts)
10. There was no "New World"
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 05:56 PM
Oct 2021

I hate these lazy lies. I hope they can do more than promote white Supremacy with this science.

underpants

(182,736 posts)
17. Plus the locals were pretty fierce warriors
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 06:53 PM
Oct 2021

They ran off the Vikings. The English settlements arrived about 100 years after the Spanish. The Spanish brought germs with them that wiped out at least 70% of the population. That and that Powhatan was old and tired of fighting (and the pandemic you know) so he let Jamestown go. They had the worst spot you could imagine so he figured there was little chance they’d make it.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
18. "I'm sure this is already well known ..."
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 07:03 PM
Oct 2021

Yes, my first thought.
But still an interesting read, and verification perhaps?

modrepub

(3,493 posts)
24. Not The Cream of the Scandinavian Crop
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 10:07 PM
Oct 2021

Hard to believe but the Norse were a European superpower at the time. Once their king had consolidated power he basically kicked out the excess warrior elements and other undesirables. These Norse warriors would invade England, attack Paris, take over southern Italy, control the Rus and make up elite fighting units in the Byzantine court at Constantinople.

The ones that settled Iceland and made their way to Greenland and then Labrador and Newfoundland were basically outcasts. Murders basically exiled from an island of exiles. The ones that made it to the coast of North America were few in number and probably not the sharpest knives in the set. Greenland was basically doomed because there were no trees to build or fix their boats. I can only imagine what it was like for folks in these settlements spending months of bitter cold and darkness holed up in their mud and stone houses basically living with their livestock.

Their best hope was to establish colonies to the south in what is now Nova Scotia and New Brunswick Canada. This experiment was basically a failure. L'Anse aux Meadows was not occupied for long, maybe a season or so before the Vikings set fire to it and retreated back to Greenland. They really had no hope unless they could establish some form of trade with the natives.

But these Vikings were not traders by nature. They probably weren't even very good sailors since the coast of North America was basically found by accident when a ship was blown off course. Squabbles with the natives turned to full out war and the local native were at least as aggressive and far more numerous than their European counterparts.

Returning back to Greenland the colonies eventually petered out. The only real item of value produced in Greenland was ivory from Walrus hunting. This was fraught with danger not only because of the weather but because, again, the Vikings crossed the local Inuit peoples who remained hostile to the settlers. When the ivory trade between Europe and Africa opened back up the only thing of value the Greenland colonies produced was no longer in demand. Eventually the yearly ships from Scandinavia stopped and contact with the Greenland colonies was lost. The fate of the last Vikings from the Greenland colonies is not really known. When the ships eventually returned, nothing was left but some abandon structures.

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