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flyingfysh

(1,990 posts)
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 06:31 PM Nov 2018

Is this what killed off the Clovis culture?

One of the oldest American Indian peoples are the Clovis people, recognized for among other things their distinctive spear points. They disappeared around 12000 years ago.

https://penetrate.blogspot.com/2009/01/what-killed-off-clovis-people.html has this quote:
"What killed off the Clovis people. Tiny diamonds found in the soil are "strong evidence" a comet exploded on or above North America nearly 13,000 years ago, leading to the extinction of dozens of mammal species, according to a study"

I just saw some news that may be related: a 19-mile wide impact crater has been discovered, under the Greenland ice cap. It apparently dates to around 12000 years ago. See https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/nov/14/impact-crater-19-miles-wide-found-beneath-greenland-glacier

The timing seems interesting. Could this be what killed off this early culture? Could other cultures around the world have been affected at about the same time?

This kind of science is not my area. Are there DU readers who know this area who can comment here?

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samnsara

(17,615 posts)
2. dunno about that but in Arkansas they have the Crater of Diamonds..a state owned..
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 06:37 PM
Nov 2018

..park where you can actually hunt for diamonds...Crater of Diamonds. check it out. I took my parents there years ago. Maybe its all related somehow... Altho I think this maybe was due to volcanic activity.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
3. sounds like that impact crater caused the massive NA 'extinction' event of lganimals & clovis man
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 11:08 AM
Nov 2018

however recently clovis mans DNA was discovered in central/south american peoples. Clovis culture seems to have had a much wider range then just NA.

DNA from mammoths/horses dated at about 6k years ago has been found in permafrosts in central Alaska, and fossils/ frozen remains on western coastal NA islands, and along the land bridge from Alaska to Russia. So although that blast was HUGE it didn't totally wipe out animals that migrated with the seasons or 'clovis man'

really must have been quite an event, I read the impact caused wildfires coast to coast! and are what formed a lot of the east coast bays & islands.

edited to add this good read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger_Dryas_impact_hypothesis

and here's the actual report from the scientists in the field
http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/11/eaar8173

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
5. another good article!
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 09:04 PM
Nov 2018

A 1.5-kilometer asteroid, intact or in pieces, may have smashed into an ice sheet just 13,000 years ago.
IMAGE: NASA SCIENTIFIC VISUALIZATION STUDIO

A large asteroid struck Greenland in the time of humans. How did it affect the planet?

....impact would have been a spectacle for anyone within 500 kilometers. A white fireball four times larger and three times brighter than the sun would have streaked across the sky.

If the object struck an ice sheet, it would have tunneled through to the bedrock, vaporizing water and stone alike in a flash.

The resulting explosion packed the energy of 700 1-megaton nuclear bombs, and even an observer hundreds of kilometers away would have experienced a buffeting shock wave, a monstrous thunderclap, and hurricane-force winds.

Later, rock debris might have rained down on North America and Europe, and the released steam, a greenhouse gas, could have locally warmed Greenland, melting even more ice.......

http://science.sciencemag.org/content/362/6416/738

cstanleytech

(26,281 posts)
6. The 1000 year difference though causes me to doubt that specific impact event caused it
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 12:58 PM
Nov 2018

atleast until they can narrow that timeline and bring the two more in sync.
After all there are alternatives for it such as what happened in Europe with the black plague.

flyingfysh

(1,990 posts)
7. the dates are not very specific
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 02:04 PM
Nov 2018

The age of the crater was estimated by looking atg how jagged the bottom was, and estimating how long it would take to wear smooth. This is obviously not very precise.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
8. my favorite Large Asteroid Impact Simulation- 6 times in earths history strike was this large.
Sun Nov 18, 2018, 02:39 PM
Nov 2018
Discovery Channel - Large Asteroid Impact Simulation (2008).

An asteroid with a diameter of 500 km. Destination: The Pacific Ocean. The impact peels the 10 km crust off the surface. The shockwave travels at hypersonic speeds. Debris is blasted across into low Earth orbit, and returns to destroy the surface of the Earth.

The firestorm encircles the Earth, vaporizing all life in its way. Within one day, the surface of the Earth is uninhabitable. The evidence shows that this has happened at least six times in Earth's history.
Music of Pink Floyd "The Great Gig in the Sky" (1973).

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