Atheists & Agnostics
Related: About this forumI identify myself as an atheist but...
...the only thing that gives me any pause is this.
I don't believe in a god because of the impossibility of the whole concept of a supernatural being creating the universe.
On the other hand the universe and everything in it came from somewhere (at the same time coming from nothing).
So what I'm saying is that all the matter in the universe (and the life that sprang from it) is impossible.
And any type of god being is impossible. But if the matter (and life) are undeniably here is there a possibility of a god being
responsible for the universe's creation?
Neoma
(10,039 posts)iwillalwayswonderwhy
(2,601 posts)To explain the unexplainable is just making stuff up. What's dangerous are the accompanying rules attached to the made up story.
I know I am here because I am here. Without evidence, I don't need to know how or why and I definitely do not have a need for a made up story to explain it.
Mr.Bill
(24,262 posts)I don't know and I am content with that. It amazes me the lenghths people go to to try and satisfy their need to know the unknowable.
deucemagnet
(4,549 posts)pokerfan
(27,677 posts)then you must ask where the creator came from. If everything must have a cause, then the creator must have a cause. An "uncaused first cause" is special pleading. If the creator can be eternal, then why can't the universe (or multiverse) be eternal? A creator hypothesis just moves the question back one level.
Warpy
(111,222 posts)However, today's magical thinkers magically stop their thinking at the god level. It's as taboo to go beyond that to god's creation as it is to question any of the myth.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Clearly this is not true. It's here!
Warpy
(111,222 posts)that the universe as a whole is alive but not self aware.
That's an important distinction that precludes the possibility of some uber-god on a cloud on a small planet around an ordinary star on the outer arm of a so-so galaxy among billions directing the whole show.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)are you really an atheist?
We are infants in our understanding of the universe and how it works. We have no idea what is possible or impossible. I suppose that anything is possible, including god. But that doesn't cause me to determine that just because it is "possible" that is it truth.
Iggo
(47,545 posts)That makes me an atheist, no buts about it. I don't know how the universe came into being, but I have no shred of belief that some sky-daddy created it, because the existence of sky-daddies is absurd on its face. That disbelief in sky-daddies makes me an atheist. And again, no buts about it.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)No one does.
Gore1FL
(21,116 posts)Here is a video "overview" of what is in the book. Awesome lecture--well worth watching:
Stuckinthebush
(10,842 posts)Thank you so much for this!
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)if you believe it's possible a god had a hand in creating the universe.
I have seen no evidence to date asserting that and I consider myself atheist. I don't understand this notion that "everything came from something". Who is to say that this universe began with nothing?
I don't need to believe there is a god to explain the creation of the universe. Science does a much better job.
There is no such thing as agnostic being a "better" identifier for someone than atheist or theist. They refer to separate questions.
Theist/atheist = do or do not possess the belief in the existence of a deity.
Gnostic/agnostic = do or do not possess the belief that it is *possible to know* whether or not a deity exists.
Anyone who says they aren't an atheist they're an agnostic is making as much sense as someone who says they aren't an atheist they're an accountant. They can be an agnostic... they can be an accountant... but not as an *alternative* to being an atheist. The alternative to atheist is theist. The ONLY alternative. It is a binary solution set. You do or you do not have that particular belief.
The OP does not believe a deity exists. Therefore, atheist.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)Impossible how?
We don't really know if there was ever a time without matter. We only know that the universe we can see was all smushed together a long time ago.
There's also an on-going argument about time (whether it exists, whether it preceded the big bang, whether any version of it is absolute, whether it can be reversed...)
When we add up all the things we don't know yet, there's no basis left to declare that matter is impossible.
You don't know how it came into being or how long it's been here or how many other states it might exist in under the right conditions.
And neither do I.
gcomeau
(5,764 posts)...could the universe not simply always have existed in some form rather than "coming from" somewhere?
libodem
(19,288 posts)As a blueprint. A mathmatical formula of numbers that only works certain way. If it doesn't stack up it fails. There is an intelligence behind the reality of what works.