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The pope says atheists pick and choose their morals. This is correct. (Original Post) WillParkinson May 2013 OP
Choose them? As opposed to what? Warren DeMontague May 2013 #1
Just as there's nothing intrinsically noble about saying "I don't kill people because if I did I djean111 May 2013 #2
Yep. That's not morality IMHO. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #3
Better than letting the pope pick and choose them for you. mr blur May 2013 #4
Well said! Kennah May 2013 #9
Don't we all? Stuckinthebush May 2013 #5
Doesn't it feel so much better Curmudgeoness May 2013 #6
Isn't morality the natural progression defacto7 May 2013 #7
Did Francis say that? Or are we talking about another Pope? Laelth May 2013 #8
You mean like TZ May 2013 #10

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
1. Choose them? As opposed to what?
Fri May 3, 2013, 03:56 PM
May 2013

If you don't choose them, they're not morals, and there's nothing "moral" about subscribing to them.

Just as there's nothing intrinsically noble about saying "I don't kill people because if I did I would get sent to a bubbling lava pit when I die"

Is a refrigerator "moral" because it keeps food cold? No, that's what it's programmed to do.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
2. Just as there's nothing intrinsically noble about saying "I don't kill people because if I did I
Fri May 3, 2013, 04:23 PM
May 2013

would die"
Exactly. I am pretty skeered of people who need a list to tell them not to kill, steal, etc.
Either the religious don't see the irony, or they think all atheists are merrily killing and robbing - or they have no understanding of innate morality that does not need the threat of other-worldly punishment.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
6. Doesn't it feel so much better
Fri May 3, 2013, 06:46 PM
May 2013

to decide what our morals are, instead of worrying about going to hell if we eat meat on Friday or some such idiotic belief?

I like choosing my own morals. And they basically fall into the "if it hurts someone else, don't do it", or "if it doesn't hurt anyone, it is ok".

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
7. Isn't morality the natural progression
Sat May 4, 2013, 02:25 AM
May 2013

as we evolve from our early ancestors need to kill and steal to survive, eat, mate etc? When the needs are met and we don't need to kill we start to think about survival as a society. Just the fact that we move from primal greed to higher thought naturally creates ethics, personal moral concepts, etc.... we don't need some grand poobah to dictate that.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
8. Did Francis say that? Or are we talking about another Pope?
Sat May 4, 2013, 03:30 PM
May 2013

Ironically, many (if not most) American Catholics also pick & choose their morals. They're called "cafeteria Catholics," and the U.S. has a lot of them. They agree with the Church on some doctrinal issues and disagree with the Church on others. Officially, this makes them non-Catholic, but they still claim to be Catholic and still participate in Church sacraments.

-Laelth

TZ

(42,998 posts)
10. You mean like
Mon May 6, 2013, 10:17 AM
May 2013

the people who pick and choose what they find most important in the Bible, like finding passages that support homophobia while ignoring things like the 10 commandments that say "Love thy neighbor" with no qualifications? LOL

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