Atheists & Agnostics
Related: About this forumTreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)you don't use it because...
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)and have never looked back. YMMV
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)compared to Firefox and Chrome. Worst part is that it is soooooooo slooooooooow.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)but soldier on in the browser wars.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)but I read that the newest version is kind of a sucky Chrome-lite. At least that is what the few friends that use it referred to it as. They were sticking with Opera 12(?).
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)skipped a few numbers to v15 and has a new engine-- the same one in Firefox.
The problem is that it lost a lot of the features that made it special and so far doesn't even have them as extensions. In v12 we need very few extensions because most of the good stuff is built in.
The tiny percentage of us still using it wait with bated breath to see how it works out. As it is, I have to use Firefox for some sites that are ridiculously complex and can't be handled by Opera 12, so I'll see what happens.
Galraedia
(5,020 posts)Firefox uses Gecko.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)IE and Chrome, and even to a degree, Firefox ate Opera's lunch in practically every speed test.
http://lifehacker.com/5976082/browser-speed-tests-chrome-24-firefox-18-internet-explorer-10-and-opera-1212
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)but what does that mean in real life when saving an extra second in loading time can easily be eaten up by a slow server?
Opera was around long before Chrome and Firefox with tabs, skins, security, password management, layouts unite, download managers, and etc. without the need for extensions-- everything built in. They finally caught up, but I like the layout I've gotten used to that the others don't allow.
I do have a problem with bizarre sites that have 10 pages of code for frames, scripts, and other bullshit just to show me one article. One site I use a lot only works at all on Firefox and doesn't even open on Chrome or IE.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)and IE is nipping at its heels. (Microsoft has finally gotten the message that relying upon being the default browser isn't enough to maintain, let alone grow market share, and has dropped stupid shit like saying 'Scoring 100 on the ACID test isn't necessarily desirable') If a browser consistently saved me 1 second per page load, and still rendered everything correctly according to the latest CSS standards, I'd take it in a heartbeat.
The world has changed since Windows XP. Even the mighty FireFox has fallen.
And Opera... a browser representing less than 5% of the market, cannot by definition, be the 'best' browser. (Chrome/FireFox 'suck' compared to... etc)
Locut0s
(6,154 posts)I agree IE 10 is light years ahead of older versions though, it's nice to finally see MS taking things seriously.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)It's unfortunate that it is so hard to compare the browsers head to head.
I'm quite fond of IE's memory footprint, for instance. But this is not important to all users.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)a second or so rendering pages. Even needlessly complicated ones.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Chrome is the only browser that could consistently beat IE in most tests.
http://lifehacker.com/5976082/browser-speed-tests-chrome-24-firefox-18-internet-explorer-10-and-opera-1212
Who gives a shit if Java is faster on Firefox, when Firefox sucks at everything else.
dorkulon
(5,116 posts)LostOne4Ever
(9,286 posts)Warpy
(111,120 posts)where bad people slip in and cost you a lot of money.
LostOne4Ever
(9,286 posts)dimbear
(6,271 posts)Jokerman
(3,518 posts)Much more accurate than that ridiculous "not smart enough" arguments that seem to permeate any argument about which system is supposedly better.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,262 posts)...
ADDENDUM III (4/20/2002): Another reader (it has been busy today!) has informed me of another link between Apple and the forces of darkness that my initial research missed. Apparently the Darwin OS is not the original creation of Apple Computers but is instead based off of an older, obsolete OS called "BSD Unix". The child-indoctrinatingly-cute cartoon mascot of this OS is a devil holding a pitchfork (pictured right). This OS -- and its Darwin offspring -- extensively use what are called "daemons" (which is how Pagans write "demon" -- they are notoriously poor spellers: magick, vampyre, etc.) which is a program that hides in the background, doing things without the user's notice. If you are using a new Macintosh running OS X then you probably have these "daemons" on your computer, hardly something a good Christian would want! This clearly illustrates that not only is Macintosh based on Darwinism, but Darwinism is based on Satanism.
ADDENDUM IV (4/21/2002): Apparently anti-Christian zealots -- as well as shocked Christians who have unwittingly become Mac owners -- are linking to this article, which explains the large number of emails we have received on this topic. More clues have come in showing the dark nature of Apple Computers. According to one of our readers, the new MacOS X contains another Satanic holdover from the "BSD Unix" OS mentioned above; to open up certain locked files one has to run a program much like the DOS prompt in Microsoft Windows and type in a secret code: "chmod 666". What other horrors lurk in this thing?
ADDENDUM V (4/29/2002): It appears we have entered a terrible new phase in the Evolutionism propaganda campaign that Apple Computers has been waging. Apple has just announced the "eMac", a Macintosh computer designed specifically to smuggle Darwinism into our schools! According to their propagandistic sloganeering, the "e" in "eMac" ostensibly stands for "education", although it should be obvious to readers by now that it's really a cryptic tipping of the hat to their true agenda: "Evolutionism". However, this isn't the only thing hiding behind this choice of moniker; according to my research, the name eMac is also a referrence to "Emacs", a program that is a standard-bearer for the Communistic Open Source movement mentioned above and whose mascot is some sort of effeminate-looking, horned devil-man. Is there no end to this tangled web of evil?
http://objectiveministries.org/creation/propaganda.html
Mind you, he's not the first person to call emacs the editor from hell ...