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Did Jesus have a Wife? (Original Post) AngryDem001 May 2014 OP
Why would he? TexasTowelie May 2014 #1
Jesus Gomez has a wife. defacto7 May 2014 #2
Lol nice one TxDemChem May 2014 #3
The commentary is repellent. Smarmie Doofus May 2014 #4
Step one: Did Jesus exist at all? AtheistCrusader May 2014 #5
Agreed. FiveGoodMen May 2014 #6
Yes, that's one of those common fallacy traps. defacto7 May 2014 #13
Whole buttloads of Jesi existed! onager May 2014 #9
Jesus (or Yeshua) was as common a name as Smith and Jones are in Dixie. Warpy May 2014 #10
Did Jesus have a wife? AlbertCat May 2014 #7
What Jesus? Iggo May 2014 #8
The Jesus depicted in the Christian holy book... rexcat May 2014 #11
Hmm, well, if he existed, was human frogmarch May 2014 #12

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
2. Jesus Gomez has a wife.
Thu May 15, 2014, 05:37 AM
May 2014

Actually, there are about 40 pages of Jesus Gomez in the Chicago phone book and I suspect most of them are married.

Did that answer the question?

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
5. Step one: Did Jesus exist at all?
Thu May 15, 2014, 10:53 AM
May 2014

Step two: If a man named Jesus existed, did the biblical character of Jesus actually exist?

THEN we can get to mundane shit like 'did he have a wife'.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
6. Agreed.
Thu May 15, 2014, 12:01 PM
May 2014

All these...

* 'Was Jesus married?'

* 'Was Jesus gay?'

* 'Was Jesus not white?'

...imply that we know he was real.

Assumes facts not in evidence.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
13. Yes, that's one of those common fallacy traps.
Thu May 15, 2014, 11:54 PM
May 2014

First ask a question or make a statement that assumes a belief is a fact, then ask for an answer to a question that is irrelevant. That's one of the most trite devices in religious arguments.

Sometimes ignosticism or igtheism looks pretty good to me. I think I'm an igtheist.

Reminds me of a question:

I there a God?

The agnostic reply: I don't know, I don't care. Maybe, maybe not
The atheist reply: There is no data that a god exists. Until there is I have to say no.
The igtheist reply: "Is there a god? What do you mean by god? What's a god?"

onager

(9,356 posts)
9. Whole buttloads of Jesi existed!
Thu May 15, 2014, 01:25 PM
May 2014

According to the Xians fave historian, Flavius Josephus (who they cherry-pick just as much as they do the Buy-bull).

Josephus wrote about 12 or 13 people named Jesus. Quite a few were notorious criminals, which I always found...interesting. One was an insane religious fanatic. No, not THAT one. Which would at least explain a lot.

All of which makes me think THE Jesus was a composite character, Frankensteined together years after the fact:

"Hey, remember when that guy did the magic trick with the loaves and fishes?"
"Yeah, what was his name again?"
"Er...Jesus?"
"Could be. Then there was that guy who went around putting lepers out of work. Same name, I think..."

Josephus wrote about one really kick-ass Messiah, but it couldn't have been Jesus. This one is not even named, and is only called "the Samaritan Messiah." The people in Samaria had their own god, which was always causing them trouble with their neighbors the Judeans. Who of course, only dealt with the One True God. Theirs.

Anyway, the Samaritan Messiah did what everybody expected Jesus Whoever to do - he led a full-blown, no-shit armed insurgency against Rome. He called together his followers at the Samaritan holy mountain, they marched up the mountain and pledged to remove the heathen Roman invaders etc. etc.

Pontius Pilate was not a bit amused by that. He did what he always did when the locals got restless - sent in the troops and killed a good number of the insurgents, along with their Messiah.

Remember, this is the same Pontius Pilate who, according to Xian history, was a dithering coward who caved in to the demands of a noisy mob and had a Certain Prisoner crucified.

And overall, I suspect that the Biblical Pilate has about as much to do with reality as the Biblical Jesus. Not a whole lot.

Warpy

(111,251 posts)
10. Jesus (or Yeshua) was as common a name as Smith and Jones are in Dixie.
Thu May 15, 2014, 04:20 PM
May 2014

Since the Jesus myth was cobbled out of most of the hero/god myths of the eastern Mediterranean, the stories about the man named Jesus were likely just as cobbled together. The Romans were the ones with the tradition of kicking influential people upstairs to be gods, so up he (or they) went. The Romans were also the people who had the worst opinion of women, so he became a eunuch, utterly sexless.

The bible is what it is, the result of a game of "gossip" that had lasted for at least a hundred years after any of the story had happened. Expecting historical accuracy is futile.

rexcat

(3,622 posts)
11. The Jesus depicted in the Christian holy book...
Thu May 15, 2014, 04:38 PM
May 2014

is pure myth so the point of a mythological person being married is trivial blather or something like that.

frogmarch

(12,153 posts)
12. Hmm, well, if he existed, was human
Thu May 15, 2014, 09:35 PM
May 2014

and wasn’t a celibate Essene, he probably had a wife. If he was the christ, he probably didn’t, because christs are part ectoplasm.

Simple as that.

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