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onager

(9,356 posts)
Mon Aug 11, 2014, 06:27 PM Aug 2014

6 Most Humiliating Failures By Celebrity Psychics

Other Ways of Knowing...big time!

Mostly posted for the hilarious clip of James Van Praagh getting his ass handed to him on an Australian TV show. It's every TV psychic's nightmare - trying to cold-read a bunch of people who give you no help at all. Ha!

"Your mother was Catholic. I'm seeing a picture of the Virgin Mary in her house..." Nah, she favored pictures of Aleister Crowley and Charlie Manson...

Plus Angel Guides, Googly ghosts, Uri Geller and diverse other frauds, fakes and crackpots.

http://www.cracked.com/article_20566_the-6-most-humiliating-public-failures-by-celebrity-psychics.html

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6 Most Humiliating Failures By Celebrity Psychics (Original Post) onager Aug 2014 OP
You read my mind! frogmarch Aug 2014 #1
Must be other ways of...oh, never mind... onager Aug 2014 #4
The Japanese guy getting knocked the fuck out was oddly satisfying EvolveOrConvolve Aug 2014 #2
Why isn't Sylvia Browne's entire life there? AlbertCat Aug 2014 #3
> mr blur Aug 2014 #5
Here you go! "Psychic Defective - Sylvia Browne's History of Failure" onager Aug 2014 #6
Shocking! trotsky Aug 2014 #7
I feel like Santa Claus today! onager Aug 2014 #8
These creeps are no different than religious clergy. amuse bouche Aug 2014 #9
they ride the coat tails of religion Lordquinton Aug 2014 #10
Sylvia Browne was a total fraud. And Montel Williams had her on LOTS of times. Manifestor_of_Light Aug 2014 #11

frogmarch

(12,153 posts)
1. You read my mind!
Mon Aug 11, 2014, 07:26 PM
Aug 2014

How else could you have known that just today I was thinking about “The Philip Experiment” and wondering if the trickery involved was ever exposed and explained.

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=68076

Excerpts: (It’s obvious that the person who wrote this was a believer.)

"Philip" is an artificial poltergeist, an egrigor or artificial intelligence, created as an experiment by a group of Canadian parapsychologists during the 1970s. It was demonstrated as a result of their experiment that the human will can produce spirits through expectation, imagination and visualization. The members of the experiment purposed to attempt to create, through intense and prolonged concentration, a collective thought-form. All eight participants were members of the Toronto Society for Psychical Research; and, none were psychical gifted.

...

The group first fabricated the fictitious identity, physical appearance, and personal history of their "Philip Aylesford" who was born in England in 1624 and followed an early military career.

...

The Owen group began conducting sittings in September 1972 during which they meditated, visualized, and discussed the details of Philip's life. Although no apparition ever appeared, occasionally some sitters felt a presence in the room; still others experienced vivid mental pictures of "Philip."

After going for months with no communication, the group attempted table-tilting through psychokinesis (PK). This activity, popularized during Spiritualism séances, involved people sitting around a table and placing their fingertips lightly on the surface. The table tilting practice was suggested by the British psychologist Kenneth J. Barcheldor who speculated that some of the group members might have skepticism concerning their venture. He felt the séance setting possibly would produce a communication with "Philip," which was the sitters' expectations.

Within weeks after changing to the séance setting the group established communication with "Philip." They engaged "Philip" in a table rapping session where he gave yes or no answers. "Philip" answered questions that were consistent with his fictitious history, but was unable to provide any information beyond that which the group had conceived. However, "Philip" did give other historically accurate information about real events and people. The Owen group theorized that this latter information came from their own collective unconsciousness.

One session was held in front of a live audience of fifty people and was videotaped to be shown on television. In other sessions sounds were heard in various parts of the room and lights blinked on and off. The levitation and movement of a table were recorded on film in 1974. "Philip" seemed to have a special rapport with Iris Owen. Some member thought they heard whispers in response to questions, but efforts to capture them on tape were inconclusive.

The group hoped their experiment would help in the study if the phenomena of poltergeists, hauntings, and Spiritualism. Their findings appear in the work Conjuring up Philip by Iris Owen and Margaret Sparrows (Harper & Row, 1976).


Here’s the table tilting experiment as it happened:

(“Dorothea” was the name the group gave Philip’s wife. According to the history the group made up for him, “Philip” cheated on “Dorothea” with another woman, so “Dorothea” falsely accused the woman of witchcraft and she was burned at the stake. So distraught was “Philip” that he committed suicide.)

onager

(9,356 posts)
4. Must be other ways of...oh, never mind...
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 01:15 AM
Aug 2014

Thanks for this bit o' weirdness, I'd never heard of it. There was a time when I read a lot about this sort of thing. Then I ran into people like Susan Blackmore and James Randi...

The Philip Group belonged to the Toronto Society for Psychical Research. I'm guessing that's an offshoot of the original British Society for Psychical Research. Which now has about a century of failed experiments in its archives.

I mean...table-tapping? In the late 20th century? Seriously? That must be a very proper ghost, who's still stuck with the protocols of Victorian times.

It was demonstrated as a result of their experiment that the human will can produce spirits through expectation, imagination and visualization.

Not to mention wishful thinking.

EvolveOrConvolve

(6,452 posts)
2. The Japanese guy getting knocked the fuck out was oddly satisfying
Mon Aug 11, 2014, 07:39 PM
Aug 2014

Or at least as satisfying as it is to watch an old man kicked in the face a couple of times.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
3. Why isn't Sylvia Browne's entire life there?
Mon Aug 11, 2014, 09:57 PM
Aug 2014

Last edited Tue Aug 12, 2014, 04:53 PM - Edit history (1)

(and) Remember "Crossing Over"? with John Edwards (not the NC politician)

I'll never forget the horror I felt when I watched it, the one and only time, as that dreadful charlatan used and abused people at their most vulnerable, grieving for dead loved ones. It should somehow be illegal. Edwards should be in jail.

onager

(9,356 posts)
6. Here you go! "Psychic Defective - Sylvia Browne's History of Failure"
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 02:09 PM
Aug 2014

On the CSICOP site.

For the TL/DR types - Browne's success rate is 0 for 115. (Of 115 crimes she stuck her snout into, she provided useful info in exactly none of them.)

http://www.csicop.org/si/show/psychic_defective_sylvia_brownes_history_of_failure/

As for John-Edward and "Crossing Over" - I went to a Skeptics Society meeting once where James Randi spoke about that asshole.

One of Randi's researchers went to a J-E show with a hidden camera. The host of the show repeated over and over that J-E did not speak to any members of the audience, and got all his information via Other Ways of Knowing.

But Randi's camera kept running during the commercial breaks. And during those breaks, J-E talked to people in the audience about their dead loved ones, etc. IOW, he was cold-reading them and getting information.

After the break, those were the very people J-E called on as subjects for the show. So the TV audience at home saw something that looked miraculous. But it was just an outrageous fraud.

These people really bring out my Inner Atheist Torquemada. I'd not only jail the phony psychics, but the idiot TV presenters who enable them.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
7. Shocking!
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 02:18 PM
Aug 2014

The "Long Island Medium" is another one I'd like to see exposed. Preying on survivors and exploiting their emotions. And making tons of money doing it.

onager

(9,356 posts)
8. I feel like Santa Claus today!
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 03:31 PM
Aug 2014

Here ya go, "Long Island Medium Subject of Fraud Investigation." From June 2014:

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/06/long-island-medium-theresa-caputo-fraud-investigation-audience-complaints/

It's a very odd fraud complaint. Evidently made via Ticketmaster, after a Caputo appearance in Durham, NC.

Complainants say the venue held 2500 seats but Capooter only talked to about 10 people.

One complaint in the article is simultaneously heartbreaking and infuriating. A woman whose child recently died said she went to the show hoping for "closure" because she "needed something to believe in."

Not even I can snark about somebody suffering that kind of incalculable loss. But I think I can say she's picked just about the worst way in the world to deal with her grief.

amuse bouche

(3,657 posts)
9. These creeps are no different than religious clergy.
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 03:39 PM
Aug 2014

Last edited Tue Aug 12, 2014, 05:07 PM - Edit history (1)

All frauds. The worst part is they know they are frauds, yet perpetuate the sham

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
10. they ride the coat tails of religion
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 06:34 PM
Aug 2014

You have to believe them and take them on faith that what they are doing is real, other ways of knowing and all that. Funny thing is that religions typically have some sort of "don't take their word for it, demand proof" in their writings, but those verses usually get left at the buffet line with the pizza.

Teaching children to unquestioningly believe andthing their superiors tell them is the real harm religion does. That's how we get anti vaxers, and psychics preying on people and actually causing deaths.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
11. Sylvia Browne was a total fraud. And Montel Williams had her on LOTS of times.
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 11:49 PM
Aug 2014

She told the mother of one of the girls kidnapped and imprisoned in Cleveland by Ariel Castro that she was dead. Sylvia said, "If she was alive, she would have called."




Stuart Wilde was not a psychic cold reader but he got paranoid and thought the aliens and ETs and such were taking over the world. He died last year. Lipstick Mystic (www.lipstickmystic.com) said it was good that he was dead. He would take people on ayahuasca trips and separate attractive women from their boyfriends and tell them they were special and prey on them.



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