Obsessive atheists

[intaglio]

Are certain atheists suffering from the delusion that they are entitled to make specious points against all believers on DU?

Do certain atheists think that multiple posts on the same subject earns any respect?

Are certain atheists trying to get banned from the religion group so they can shout oppression?

Are certain atheists just acting as trolls?

[Act_of_Reparation]

1. Nope.

I've been walking the shadowy halls of teh interwebs for a long time, now. I knows a flame war when I sees it.

Try not to look too deeply into this kind of thing. It's really not that complicated.

[Act_of_Reparation]

3. I can't speak to the motivations of others

But I do think it reasonable to assume that if pushed around, some people will push back.

[Warren Stupidity]

38. Perhaps if somebody was directly told to "fuck off you fucking fucker"

and then all of the supposedly nice theists clapped and applauded and noted how deserved the scolding was for very the very act of showing up in a group that is allegedly open to both believers and non-believers, perhaps that person would decide that this being nice stuff was fucking hogwash and act accordingly.

Not to name names or anything because "callouts" are not noted in the TOS as expressly forbidden.

[mr blur]

4. No-one wants to play with you.

Take it back to your echo chamber buddies with nothing better to do.

[intaglio]

9. Echo chamber buddies?

Are you saying I'm religious?

Try reading sometime

[mr blur]

13. I didn't say you were religious. Reading's not enough, try comprehension.

[Goblinmonger]

5. Are you really that obtuse?

I am guessing that many in Religion get the point but just refuse to deal with it so they feign being obtuse.

In case you are that clueless, here's the point: plenty of religious beliefs are pass off even at DU as no acceptable even by those that are religious and by fathiests. The point being made is that the line between those that they choose to mock (cbayer and Starboard Tack apparently passed time on a long road trip reading the Book of Mormon (the holy book not the play) out loud and laughing oh so much) and those that are "demanding of respect." The multiple posts are trying to pin down a line. That nobody wants to play that game is just an indication that if they said what they thought (those religions aren't deserving of respect) that they would have no defense for their particular religious beliefs being respected.

That being said, as a host here, I don't think your tone is especially on-point in this group. Not that you can't talk about why those posts are being made, but you might want to come in with a little less animosity as a lead-off.

For the lurkers, notice how I'm dealing with this.

[intaglio]

10. Not obtuse, just furious at the way certain nominally atheist posters

go out of their way to alienate non-atheists.

[mr blur]

14. Is that you, a "nominally atheist poster"?

[Hoppy]

6. The o.p. may be referring to me, as well as to others.

One of my posts was deleted by jury this morning...5 to 2.

In the post, I free associated about a point of Sunday school belief and carried it to its logical conclusion. Since it was removed, I received supporting email criticizing the jury decision.

There are three other topics that are forbidden on D.U.

Criticizing Obama. Criticizing Hillary. Anything that offends the female sensitivity.

This even goes to the absurd point that some posts require a "trigger warning."

What horse doody. I was going to say horse shit but I don't want the post to be hidden.

[intaglio]

12. Nope, not you,

though you do display some of the symptoms I've described

[cleanhippie]

16. YOU display some of the symptoms you've described.

Pot, meet kettle.

Oops, now you've gone and gotten yourself locked out of your own thread!

[onager]

41. TRIGGER WARNING!

Probably with horse doody. Only geezers are likely to get this reference:

[Hoppy]

42. "Trigger, want some more hay?"

"No thanks, Roy, I'm stuffed."

[onager]

44. Ha! Then there's the old SNL joke...

"In an interview today, Dale Evans said that, like Trigger, she wanted to be stuffed and mounted. Though not necessarily in that order."

[mr blur]

45. Oh, that's perfect!

[Hoppy]

7. I guess the reaction from "certain atheists" comes from the position that others' religions have a

right to dictate how I live.

This is my position and the position of other atheists I know: leave me alone and I will not deconstruct your beliefs. If your beliefs are deconstructed to the point they are no longer acceptable, maybe you will leave me alone.

[intaglio]

11. Do you have a right to dictate what others believe?

My, how egalitarian of you?

[JNelson6563]

30. This appears deliberately obtuse.

I'm getting a sense that you weren't trying to kick off a productive discussion.

Julie--who can sense these things

[Warren Stupidity]

39. you have other ways of knowing.

which in some cases, I've learned, makes one a liar, but only in some cases.

[AlbertCat]

8. No.

Any other questions?

[AlbertCat]

15. On obsession and starting threads

The number of times one starts a thread in any one group is indicative of....well I'm not sure.

But to me it appears that some use the "other board" as a pulpit. There just are a huge number of threads started by one or two posters.

Is that obsessive?....in a DU environment?

A single page listing threads has 80 listed. Just counting up today's....thus far at 7:00PM... the top thread starter over there has 23 threads started. The next highest is 18. That's 41 threads from 2 posters. Over half.... but not by much so we'll say 1/2 on one page.

Over here, today's list of 80 has 14 by the poster who has started the most threads on the list. The 2nd place poster has 9. That's 23.... the amount of the one big thread starter "over there". And we're a SAFE HAVEN! not a general group.

This is not scientific, and doesn't have anything to do with posts within threads or the subject of threads. But there is clearly a different dynamic going on between who (obsessively?) starts threads. One board surely seems more open and not dominated by a few than the other.

[mr blur]

29. Yeah, but if it not for that poster's rather sad obsession,

we wouldn't be able to keep up with what the atheist are up to.

Although atheists are nowhere near as fascinating as he seems to find them.

[onager]

43. That amazes me too.

Apparently if an atheist farts anywhere in the world, it calls for a thread in The Other Group. And if the fart occurred within earshot of a believer, it's evidence that atheists hate all religious people.

It's also entertaining to see how many of those threads are way down at the bottom of the page. Usually with only one or two responses from the usual Amen Charlies (& Charlottes).*

SPIES - the following is an analogy, not a call-out or direct comparison. So save your rage alerts for the next Dawkins thread.

IMO, the obsession with us does border on the creepy sometimes. It reminds me of the gay-bashers who seem endlessly fascinated with the lifestyle of gay couples. Where the gay couple's response is usually: "We're as boring as everybody else. Please just leave us alone."

*Since you're British, not sure if you have this phenomenon: in many Southern Protestant churches, the "Amen Charlie" was a guy who supported the preacher by enthusiastically shouting "Amen!" during the sermon. Sort of like a shill in a gambling casino.

[mr blur]

46. No, we don't, but

I've heard and played enough blues to be familiar with the "Amen Corner"

[cleanhippie]

17. BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Now look what you went and did!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1230&pid=26507


Got locked out of your own thread!


Don't fret, it happens to many of us.

[Capt. Obvious]

18. Locked out

On Tue Aug 19, 2014, 10:56 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Well, that's number 4 answered
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1230&pid=26507

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

. Well, that's number 4 answered"

number 4: "Are certain atheists just acting as trolls?"

His/her flame bait OP was obvious from the get go he was looking for a fight, and right out of the shoot calls the first response a troll.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Tue Aug 19, 2014, 11:03 PM, and voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Looks like someone is deliberately looking for a fight. Not appropriate IMHO.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: More mild then over the top.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Curmudgeoness]

20. Whenever I am on a jury or alert

and see what juror #7 comments, I just shake my head at the cluelessness. It seems that they cannot see a nasty post if they have to actually put 1 and 1 together. If the post does not come right out and say "you fucking troll", they don't get it. And most posters know that they can be a little sneaky in their insults.

[AtheistCrusader]

37. That's a horrible alert.

It's 'Chute' not "Shoot".

[EvolveOrConvolve]

19. I dunno

Is a certain atheist suffering from the delusion that s/he is entitled to make specious points against all non-believers on DU?

Is a certain atheist trying to get banned from the A&A group so they can shout oppression?

Is a certain atheist just acting as a troll?

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See what I just did there?

We're loud, proud, and in-your-face with our atheism, and aren't likely to apologize for it. Would you request that the LGBT community stop fighting simply because they've made the same points before? The African-American community? Why is it different with atheists? Why does religion alone earn the privilege to go unquestioned?

[amuse bouche]

21. Maybe you are a relig troll

'suffering from the delusion that you are entitled to make specious points against
atheists on DU'

Are you trying to get banned for the A/A group so you can shout oppression?

Are certain religies just acting as trolls?

Clearly they want you over there. Go... enjoy your new home, Holy Bath and and cloud friend

[mindwalker_i]

22. If atheists were acting like trolls

Christians would sue them for patent infringement.

[trotsky]

23. I think everyone has a right to express their opinion.

And I think that claiming someone is deluded is entirely different than saying they are mentally ill.

Others have different opinions, and that's OK.

But I also think the people who feel a need to go out of the way to police anonymous message boards and lecture others on behavior, while engaging in the same behavior themselves, are the ones who are out of line.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1218124730

You're also a self-described "anti-theist" - a creature who is roundly condemned and spat upon by the civility brigade.

[Iggo]

24. Aw.

[LostOne4Ever]

25. If you are having issues with another poster(s)

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Then it might be a better idea to take it up with them via PMs. This thread will give ammo to those who will point to it to bash us as a group.

If you don't believe me, just look at who rec'd your post.

Edit: Well, lookie who just gave your post a second rec. Want to bet if I went into the other other room there will be a thread or subthread attacking this group and all its members?

[mr blur]

27. Not frequent posters in here.

Oh...right.

[JNelson6563]

31. Those recs speak volumes!

Lol!

No wonder the subject of obsessive behavior is coming to the fore lately! It's finally spilling out into the open! Some call a psychiatrist!

Julie

[trotsky]

32. Obsessive behavior indeed.

Being blocked from a group because you can't behave yourself, yet continuing to read the posts and stalk members. Creepy.

[JNelson6563]

33. I just can't imagine caring that much!

If the day ever comes that I give that many shits about an anonymous, obscure disussion forum on the internet, then I will have lived too long cause that ain't livin'! That's instead of living.

Julie

[trotsky]

34. Or imagine this...

living the life of a one-percenter, on a three-month holiday in a foreign country, and having the need to check in to that anonymous discussion forum multiple times a day! And not just to participate, but check up on others and dispense judgment! LOL!!

[JNelson6563]

35. I can't imagine any of those things.

I feel fortunate to have work I enjoy, lots of people I love in my life and incredible natural beauty all around me. Traveling and living like a 1%er might be nice but if it included behavior such as you describe, I would guess it isn't terribly fulfilling.

Julie--one of the lucky ones

[trotsky]

36. Cheers to that! n/t

[mr blur]

40. Trouble is Julie that so many psychiatrists are just fakes,

with lots to say but very little true insight into the human condition.

What you need is a $cientologist - they really understand things that a psychiatrist only pretends to understand.

[valerief]

26. Thanks. Now I have another poster on Ignore. Ciao forever. nt

[Warren Stupidity]

28. If you won't name names your op is worthless.

But why would discussing religion get one banned from the religion group?

Interesting theory. Have you read the sop of that group? It is not a safe haven for theists. They have one those and I am not and never have posted anything negative about religion in that group.