So the religionistas continue to persecute the atheists?

[RussBLib]

..as it has been thru millennia, I suppose.

Hey, they used to burn us at the stake, now they just alert on posts. Progress!

[mr blur]

1. The Faitheists Fundamentalists, on the other hand...

are even worse.

[Curmudgeoness]

2. I, for one, welcome the progress.

I have always thought that I would be one who was burned at the stake, just for being outspoken and wanting to stay single, not to mention not believing everything that I am told to believe.

But speaking of persecution and alerts, you had better watch your backside....I think that "religionistas" is taboo.

[onager]

3. WHAT DID YOU JUST CALL ME!?!1!

You really screwed up now, you atheist-coddling punk. RELIGIONISTA!1! I'll have you know I graduated at the top of my class in the Navy WALRUSES, which is eleventy times more elite and deadly than those poser Navy SEALS. I got my eye on you, Sonny, from right here on the poop-deck of my sooper-secret spy yacht. When I was captain of my own nuclear submarine, I once repaired the atomic power-plant with nothing more than a rubber band and a set of fingernail clippers my wife sent me from her missionary trip to Rome, where she lectured on the Gospel Of Privilege. And speaking of my wife, don't you DARE even mention her! She is the most intelligent, beautiful and feminist Person-Of-Non-Penis-Having to ever walk the earth! You are finished on this board! FINISHED! Along with all your grubby little friends who resent and mock those with Other Ways Of Knowing! I can alert on you before that blasphemous thought even finishes forming in your non-existent brain, you wacko asshole Atheist Fundamentalist! Now get back to worshipping your precious Pope Richard and let us get back to what we do best - saving the world, one non-mediocre person at a time!

[mr blur]

6. Now calm down - I think you need a holiday.

Then you could forget about all this stuff for a few weeks.

[Curmudgeoness]

18. Is that how holidays are supposed to work?

What fun is that!?!?!?!?

[onager]

23. I got your holiday right here, troublemaker...

Let's have a sing-along, kids! About a vanished Paradise where everyone was equal! We can all sing "Kumbaya." Or maybe "Kumbaya" as translated on the sign at Tuol Sleng prison - "You are strictly prohibited to contest me!"

And before some knucklehead starts screaming about the bad racist word in this video - maybe you should take it up with the band's drummer at the time, D.H. Peligro:

[Act_of_Reparation]

85. It's funny you should bring up the Dead Kennedys

Because sometimes I suspect Jello wrote the words to California Uber Alles after reading the Religion Forum.

[onager]

88. Ha! I've had the same thought...

Thanks for that. In return, let's listen to some REAL NICE, MELLOW music!

"Skyrockets in flight..."

https://m.

[A HERETIC I AM]

10. It is my understanding.....

that "eleventy" is a rather large and significant number.....


So you have my respect.

[DetlefK]

29. Oh, I know the difference between Navy SEALS and Navy WALRUSES:

The Navy WALRUSES have spectacular mustaches.

[Warren Stupidity]

4. They know about the baby eating. Our covens must be eradicated.

[LostOne4Ever]

87. Food for thought

[intaglio]

5. One post was alerted on because it was disruptive and misogynistic

Yes, it was myself who alerted on it and, in case you missed the jury result, it was hidden 6-1

Disruptive and misogynistic posts should be hidden because they offend the community. There was nothing in the post that had anything to do with atheism or agnosticism, it discussed nothing except the butt-hurt of one particular poster. You decided that re-posting that offensive butt-hurt was your job; rightly, your post was hidden as well and this time it was another person alerting.

Now if you find the community standards of DU impossible to live with go and paste your silly point scoring on Discussionist.

[mr blur]

7. No, it wasn't misogynistic, not at all.

But look, if you find talking to the grown-ups in Atheists & Agnostics impossible to live with go and paste your silly point scoring with your buddies in Religion.

[intaglio]

8. Not misogymistic? R-i-g-h-t

So the post was hidden 6 - 1 despite it not being misogynistic. You need to check your levels of reading comprehension, either that or offer your opinion in the HoF group and see how quickly they jump down your throat. Oh, and if you post the same disruptive and misogynistic trash your post will be alerted on, possibly with the additional grounds a hide that you are re-posting a hidden post.

BTW you are not the entirety of the atheist community and in the real world your brand of nastiness is not even in a significant minority of atheists.

[Goblinmonger]

24. Go on some discussion boards out in the big bad world and see what you get.

Head over to Reddit. Head over to a Discussionist for god sake. What you see here is pretty tame compared to the real world.

And you make the mistaken assumption that what I and others post here is what we say "in the real world." It isn't.

[intaglio]

26. Perhaps I don't want DU and A&A to turn into red pill reddit or AVfM

Please note it is not I who has made remarks better suited to those pits of hatred

[Warren Stupidity]

27. So you think your monitoring this group and alerting on posts and then bragging about it

here is helpful? You think it is making things better? Or are you just pushing things to see how long it will take until there is some push back against your behavior?

[intaglio]

30. "Monitoring the group" - nice framing, deliberately misleading

Never looked at any of my other OPs here?

Bragging about alerts, no; I only mentioned one alert was mine after some person decided that only one person was spoiling things by alert making all alerts and blaming that figment of their imagination for all the hides. Somehow the fact that juries as well as alerters found these posts hideworthy had escaped them. Prior to that I cannot recall when I last alerted on a post in A&A,

Even in relation to my recent posts what is wrong about pointing out the incredible arrogance of certain posters in this group? What is wrong with pointing out bigotry and nit picking? What is wrong with expecting you and others to account for your actions? I have faults and I have accounted and amended for them in other circumstances but you and your group cannot see how your own actions damage atheism and atheists, reinforcing the stereotype of the arrogant, tone deaf, bullying atheist? I am asking for openness, listening and caring not a lockstep adherence to some fantastical and undefined atheist book of rules.

You and others seem to have the mistaken assumption that your (lack of) theology grants you a pass in relation to humanity, social interaction and empathy. There have been posters from this group posting obsessively about particular subjects unaware of the ridicule to which they expose both themselves and atheism. I have seen you and others rail against many other posters for regarding you as privileged and I will admit those posters are wrong; you are not acting as a privileged group, you are acting like spoiled brats.

[trotsky]

32. Let me ask you something, intaglio.

Do you think the only problems when it comes to interactions with the Religion group regulars are due to atheists in this group?

Are all the theists and friends completely innocent, never baiting, never engaging in hypocritical behavior, and always behaving as model Internet citizens?

I'm not attempting to say "but they do it too," I just want to see if there's a particular reason why you have chosen to chastise only people in this group.

[intaglio]

34. There are several, perhaps many, atheists and agnostics who ignore this group

There are many who follow religion who also block the group. They do so because of the childish insensitivity of a small group of people who post in A&A. This means that the only interaction that occurs is in Religion.

Yes, some Religion posters bait these infantile atheists as well as other atheists and agnostics. I have been baited myself and, with perhaps 2 exceptions (both of whom were I believe banned), the baiting has drawn me into thinking more clearly about my position.

What is nauseating is seeing aggrieved atheists come to A&A, posting objectionable material in the expectation they will not be called to account.

[trotsky]

37. "Infantile"?

Do you think using words like that is helping or exacerbating the situation? Do you think MORE attacks and insults are the best way to get over the problem as you see it?

[intaglio]

50. I have no idea, but there is an advantage

that being that the less mature posters know the impression they actually make rather than the diplomatic nuance designed to save their faces.

[Rainforestgoddess]

55. Isn't it more mature to have a discussion rather than alert then gloat?

Read something that you think may be offensive? Ask the poster to clarify. This can be done either in thread, or in a private message. Perhaps the poster did not mean what you are reading into their words. Perhaps it could be edited to better reflect their intention.

Immediately jumping to using loaded labels basically has two effects : it tars the person with baggage they don't deserve, and it dilutes the label to meaninglessness over time.

[intaglio]

57. Please identify gloating?

I am unsure where you think I have.

[Rainforestgoddess]

73. You're missing the point of my post

To discuss one word?

OK. To my perception, bragging that you were the one to have alerted on certain posts comes across as gloating. You did wait until someone complained about it (myself in one instance ) but it's clear that you knew gosh darn well that would be the reaction.

Would you care to comment on the hypocrisy of complaining about juvenile behaviour when you seem predisposed to alert rather than discuss?

[intaglio]

76. No, you have made an accusation of gloating

Before I replied to your complete post I wanted to know where I might have done so.

Bragging - no. There was an assumption made by one poster that all the alerts came from one person. I corrected that assertion and pointed out that, with the one post on which I alerted, the hide was an emphatic one and that it was jury members not any of the alerters who decided what should be visible. I had to repeat that point a couple of times. Prior to the post assigning blame to an unknown individual I had not identified myself as an alerter.

Discussing. Right so I have been variously advised to put certain posters or groups on ignore and by you to discuss it.

Problems. When posters and groups are hidden you cannot see objectionable posts and therefore cannot alert on them. If I discussed what I and others thought was a clear hide it remains visible and what is more I was aware from prior posts that the author would not amend their objectionable views.

[Rainforestgoddess]

80. Assumptions again

Simply discussing could clarify, even if no edits were made.



"hey, poster X, that seems a bit misogynistic to me. Are you really implying that person y blah blah? "

" no, that's not what I meant, I meant that blah blah.... "

" oh, I see. "

As to your point that if you can't see the posts, how could you alert on them.... Seriously? Do you really feel the need to nanny cam? If something is objectionable, it will be alerted on without your constant vigilance.

[trotsky]

62. Do you think you are trying to "save" people's "faces"...

or are you merely attempting to heap on shame on one side when you've already admitted parties on both sides are guilty?

[intaglio]

66. No, I said a diplomatic approach would save face.

My view is that diplomacy is often over rated.

[trotsky]

75. Do you mean you think diplomacy is under-rated? n/t

[intaglio]

77. No there is much to high an opinion of diplomacy

Diplomacy can do more harm than good, allowing festering differences within communities to continue unresolved. Brilliant diplomacy can be wonderful, but I know of no brilliant diplomats on DU - least of all myself.

[trotsky]

79. That much is agreed upon. n/t

[Goblinmonger]

83. "too"

You wouldn't want to look foolish in front of your friends reading this.

[AlbertCat]

86. My view is that diplomacy is often over rated.

So, you'd rather go to war.


Obviously.

For instance, did you alert the "ray of sunshine" post?

That's a bit oversensitive IMHO. It took way too much energy to alert such a post. And you certainly didn't appreciate that lack of diplomacy you seem to like so much.


Frankly, every time I see a hidden post, it just makes me want to unhide it and read it.

When are we gonna be able to hide.....

"this post was hidden because it is stupid, way too ridiculous and completely asinine"

[enki23]

42. What is nauseating is seeing assholes come into other people's houses to look for contraband

I don't know about "infantile," but there are lots of words for people who go to strangers' libraries looking for books to fucking ban. None of them are good words. They also happen to be accurate. Now, I like infants fine. But sadly, regarding the authenticity of your bullshit above, actual infants seem to lack the capacity to call an asshole an asshole.

[intaglio]

49. So coming into A&A to criticise people posting in other threads is "mature"

I don't think so.

Using slurs based on the gender and physical characteristics of another poster is mature?

No.

Treating A&A as a personal fiefdom is mature?

Wrong.

Complaining about alerts when juries find posts worthy of hiding shows an adult attitude?

You might want to re-think your definitions.

I am not asking that A&A conform to my personal views but rather that A&A conform to the wider community standards that exist on DU and stop acting as a bad example that theists can point at and say "See what happens if you join the atheists,"

[Rob H.]

56. "I am not asking that A&A conform to my personal views...

but rather that A&A conform to the wider community standards that exist on DU."

(1) You certainly seem to be, and (2) Cool. Does that mean we can suggest that the SOP be amended to add the phrase "No assholes"? Clearly you don't have a problem with someone suggesting that over in Interfaith (otherwise you'd have pitched a fit over there by now, too, if you're really interested in consistency) so it seems that by your reasoning we should be able to do the same thing here.

Oh, and if you do decide to go over to Interfaith to call them on it, be prepared for them to drop the ban-hammer on you almost immediately. One thing that can be said about A&A is that disruptors are given plenty of warning (and enough rope to hang themselves if they choose to continue their behavior) before they get booted, and I suspect that at the moment you're on very thin ice.

[intaglio]

63. I don't subscribe to Interfaith. I'm an atheist therefore I subscribe to A&A and Religion

and generally my views as an atheist are not welcome in Interfaith, so I avoid it.

If I get time I might check it out but as you already know where the objectionable posts are why don't you alert?

[Goblinmonger]

68. Yet you went in there to chuckle

about the fools in here. Why was that?

[intaglio]

71. Because I felt like it

Though I will admit I thought it was Religion.

[Goblinmonger]

82. So what you really wanted to do

is scold users in here and then go to religion to brag about how you are teaching the fools lessons in good graces?

And you think that is a fine, adult way of handling things?

[Rob H.]

74. Keep digging.

You're almost there.

[intaglio]

78. So ... I'm sure you feel you have scored a point

congratulations. Pity it is not a game but a discussion of objectionable and divisive posts made by a minority of DU members.

[Rob H.]

81. Not at all

I'm saying that if you want to keep posting and increase your chances of getting the boot from A&A, by all means, continue doing what you're doing because what you're doing can hardly be called "discussion."

[enki23]

92. Your response was a dodge. I noted that you are acting as a "volunteer neighborhood watch" pest.

What you consider "immature" is fucking "immaterial." I criticized you here for being a ridiculous busybody who is just trying to stir up shit in other people's domains. That's true, even if you think you have a righteous reason for it. Like, I guess, showing everyone how to be "mature."

We all thank you for your "mature" wisdom, and would be gratified if you would take it elsewhere. That would be the "mature" thing to do.

[Warren Stupidity]

46. It is exactly what you do.

[intaglio]

51. Evidence?

[Lars39]

53. Dude, that you're here in this forum instead of putting people on ignore or trashing the forum

is proof.

[intaglio]

54. LOL!

Looking at my subscription list for new posts is monitoring.

Seeing interesting or objectionable posts in groups where I an subscribed is monitoring.

Alerting on objectionable posts in groups where I am subscribed is monitoring.

Tell you what, why don't the small group of posters that I have complained about use anodyne thread titles rather than ones designed to attract attention to their foolishness?

Do you really think that you or your little clique are that important?

[Lars39]

58. Then unsubscribe if it's giving you that much angst.

[intaglio]

59. I am an atheist so I will stay subscribed but the fools give me no angst

They do make me annoyed that their petty insults and general snark will be informing other people's views of atheists in general.

[Lars39]

60. You're calling fellow members of the A&A group "fools"?

[intaglio]

64. I am calling a small clique in A&A fools

and also infantile. I am aware that at least one of my replies has been alerted on but not hidden, if you feel that my posts should be alerted on please do so

[Lars39]

67. No need to wonder why you're not exactly welcomed with open arms then.

[intaglio]

69. If you'll excuse the deliberate and humerously intended quote

Mark 6:4
Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household."

[onager]

89. For an atheist, you seem to have quite the Messiah Complex n/t

[enki23]

33. It is misogynistic to refer to ovaries in lieu of testicles or intestines.

This is known.

[intaglio]

65. It is misogynistic to use the description woman

to indicate the views of that person are somehow unworthy or ill considered.

[enki23]

90. It is not misogynistic to refer to a person by their gender while noting that their views are stupid

Any more than it is hateful of their culture to refer to them by their name. "Lady, you are wrong" is not in any fucking way the same as "You are wrong because you are a lady." There was no context anywhere near that post to make any even mildly reasonable human think that the second was what was meant. It didn't say that. There was no implication of that. That, I'm afraid, is all in your head. And no, the "hide" is not evidence that your silliness is correct. It just mean several independent people found their own independent reasons to be stupid, almost certainly due to the perceived "tone" rather than the content. Presumably also because of the anti-atheist bias that is profoundly ingrained in our fucking culture.

Anyway, Yours is, apparently, the fucking absurdist version of misogyny that MRAs would have us believe feminists adopt. That is literally ridiculous.

[Goblinmonger]

36. Not saying it should or that it is.

What I was saying was in reaction to your claim that things here are horrible and much worse than the real world. I'm trying to indicate that DU is a pretty isolated place where discussion, contrary to opinions from those that clearly don't venture elsewhere, is actually pretty solid and cool.

As to the body of your message, this attitude that you are SO much better and SO much more awesome than others might be part of the reason that you are getting the reaction that you are. Perhaps you may want to reflect on that and perhaps change the way you are dealing with people. Or you can continue with the tone concern and alert trolling of this group. Up to you. Each path has consequences. Robert Frost and all.

[Rob H.]

47. Oh, I think you'd fit right in over there

Unless "Paltry Fools" is supposed to be some sort of compliment.

[Heddi]

9. I want you to tell me what, exactly, was misogynistic in that post

because I Called a woman "a woman"?

Please. Point it out. Because there wasn't one single breath of misogyny in that post. You know it, and were trolling for a hide because that was the best you could pull out and serve to a jury.

[intaglio]

11. Not every woman is a Feminist

I and at least 6 others found your post offensive and misogynistic

No, I will not re-post a hidden post to point out where you made offensive comments. Try posting the same sort of derogatory rubbish in HoF and see what the response is.

[Heddi]

12. You're so full of beans

You can't point it out because it's not there.

Go back to Interfaith...you know, where people are allowed to tell each other to "fuck off, you fucking fuck" without any repercussions. The discussion is so much more civil there...

[intaglio]

14. No, because I will not re-post malicious twaddle

Sorry, nice try but it was your post that was emphatically hidden.

[Lordquinton]

21. No one's asking for a repost

just an explanation of why it was misogynistic, cause no one else here sees it.

(side note, be glad this is A&A, cause in our opposite group you would have certainly been banned without a second thought or possibly even a notice).

[intaglio]

25. The implication was that the opinions of ...

a retired, heterosexual, married woman are somehow of less value than the thoughts of the complainant. Neither age nor sexual orientation nor marital status nor gender has any bearing on the matter of value - does that make it clear?

On the other hand I have not complained about someone like myself being referred to by the offensive words "white knight"; this term is now used almost exclusively by the supporters of the Men's Rights Movement to indicate a man defending a woman for sexual advantage.

As to Heddi's complaint that it is unlikely she is misogynistic because of her sex then I suggest you look at the infamous Janet Bloomfield a supporter and unpaid official of Paul Elam's "A Voice for Men"

[Warren Stupidity]

28. No that wasn't the implication. The statement was that a rich retired white woman living on a yacht

telling other people to check their privilege was rank hypocrisy. That is not misogynistic.

[intaglio]

31. Well I don't expect you, personally, to recognise misogyny and bigotry n/t

[enki23]

35. Bullshit "misogynistic." That was an acknowledgement of the social class of a particular woman.

And *fuck* people of wealth and privilege and majoritarian religious bullshit telling people of a religious minority to "check their privilege". That *needs* to be said. Fuck that, and fuck anyone who thinks that is a message that should be hidden. This is one place on the internet where it is fucking well ok to tell rich privileged assholes to fuck right the fuck off when they tell us we're "privileged" that they don't try to fucking squash us.

Try to squash me, and I'll goddamned bite. Hide or no hide. That's the fucking truth.

[Warren Stupidity]

48. So you think I am a sexist bigot.

And you feel fine with your personal attacks on people, just not what you perceive to be other people's personal attacks.

Like another alleged atheist, you are a real swell guy, it is a pleasure to know you.

[intaglio]

52. No, I was referring to Heddi

You I regard as obsessive as I made clear in reply to one of your posts.

[Warren Stupidity]

70. So you replied to me but were referring the Heddi.

Got it. Seems completely unbelievable, but it is irrelevant who you were personally attacking, it is rank hypocrisy.

[intaglio]

72. Yup, because you are part of the same clique n/t

[PassingFair]

94. There's a clique?

How come I'm not in the clique.

[Warren Stupidity]

95. you are, any person who can still post here is in the clique.

All you have to do is not be determined to insult everyone here at every opportunity while bragging about it in other groups.

[PassingFair]

96. Shit's not very exclusive then, is it?

[onager]

45. So women are only allowed opinions that agree exactly with yours.

Got it. Thanks for the mansplaining, dudebro.

[Callmecrazy]

13. Jury results.

One post was alerted on because it was disruptive and misogynistic
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1230&pid=26869

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

butthurt is a homophobic term. This poster continuously uses the term "butt-hurt" despite being asked numerous times to not use it because of its homophobic meaning--My ass hurts because I got fucked up the ass. This has been pointed out to this poster before but he continues to use it in a way to mock and deride GLBT Du'ers. Urban Dictionary defines butthurt as " Don't get all butt hurt? Like, don't act like you just got butt raped? Or don't act like a sissy (i.e. person who takes it in the rear i.e. gay person)"
Please hide this filth. He is not using it in a joking way, he's using it to equate anal sex/rape with a losing argument. It's offensive.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Aug 24, 2014, 07:17 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I always interpret butt-hurt as having a bad diaper rash. Like a person acting like a whiny little baby. ("Mom! Johnny keeps touching me!&quot Kind of like the alerter. So Ima let it stay.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I wish I was on a jury to hide the entire thread. Grow up... all of you.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Dear Gawd! It's common in the English language to use the butt or the ass as a symbol for all sorts of emphatic statements. Leave it alone!

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[intaglio]

15. Thanks n/t

[Callmecrazy]

16. This was Re: Post 5...

[ScreamingMeemie]

19. How unfortunate... I was juror number 5.

and I'll be honest that I wasn't thrilled that I was dragged into the religion wars again.

[Ms. Toad]

22. I was just on the jury for another post in this thread...

I voted to hide it - and I would have voted to hide the one you were on the jury for as well.

[enki23]

38. Once, I told someone they had a potty mouth.

And their parents spanked them when they found out. I was a fucking child. I got over that.

As I aged just a bit, I realized that misogyny and racism and class privilege and religious privilege don't begin and end with "ctrl-F keyword." Just as actual, grown-up morality doesn't begin and end with "thou shalt [fucking] not."

[Ms. Toad]

39. The point isn't whether you can get over things or not -

It is to carry on civil conversations with each other. Unfortunately, there are obviously some people who need to be reminded periodically because they can't - or won't - make the effort to be civil.

[enki23]

40. No, the point was to show off your self righteousness.

My point was to acknowledge that you were showing off your self righteousness. I'm not stupid enough for your pretend reasons. Don't bother.

[Ms. Toad]

41. So what is the point of resorting to name calling? n/t

[enki23]

43. Accuracy.

.

[Ms. Toad]

61. Name calling isn't accurate -

it is an more an exercise in how well one can imitate a 4th grader, or schoolyard bully.

[enki23]

91. And your silly pretense that I called you a "name" is an attempt to hide your shame.

For your silly, preening show of self-righteousness.

[Ms. Toad]

93. You jumped into a conversation, that had nothing to do with you,

and was about name calling and other uncivil behavior. When you intrude into a conversation - which, on a discussion board you are certainly welcome to do - don't assume the conversation was or is all about you.

[LostOne4Ever]

84. /Walks into thread

/reads comments



/checks to make sure I am not "lost" again and in religion instead of A&A

/shakes head

/leaves thread