Atheists & Agnostics
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I thought I would introduce myself. I have been a "full-on" atheist for about a year now. A few years ago I moved to Portland, OR from a small town in KY. I was "home-schooled" from the 4th grade on. I put that in quotes because my mother decided her time was better spent getting whacked out on painkillers as opposed to "teaching". It was a Christian program of course. The most laughable thing I learned was that "Humans are not mammals". More of that dominion over nature bunk.
As such, my social skills are not where I would like them to be. But I'm making progress.
Ever since I became completely atheist, I have been happier, my mind is wide open, and I am more content than I EVER was as a Christian. Funny how that works. I also have become far more disgusted with the poisonous hold religion has on the entire planet.
I look forward to taking part in the discussions here.
EvolveOrConvolve
(6,452 posts)And just realized it a year ago. We're all atheists in one form or another. After all, does the Pope believe in Zeus? If not, then he's an atheist too.
Welcome to our little corner of hell! Pull up a chair and grab a slice of roasted puppy.
(BTW, make sure you read the threads pinned to the top of the group. They provide some guidance on the rules here.)
immoderate
(20,885 posts)There are some mighty fine atheists in this group. And not a single one believes in god. So much for what we have in common.
I grew up in a pretty "nonreligious" environment and never had to battle the demons.
This is a very friendly group (if not confronted with idiocy) and quite diverse and interesting. There is some conjunction with the Skeptics group. Here you deny god. There you deny Sasquatch and homeopathy.
So I will look for you on the boards.
--imm
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)I am sorry for your upbringing. Although I was brought up in a church, that was nothing to what you have had to go through. Congratulations on getting here from there. You will find that there are some very serious discussions here, and you will learn more about atheism than you probably want to know. Before I came to A&A, I didn't realize how much theory there is involved---I just knew that I did not believe in god. Who would have thought there was more to it. Very intellegent conversation can be found here. Enjoy the stay.
DemonSpawn
(45 posts)Intelligent conversation is a rare commodity.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Armin-A
(367 posts)laconicsax
(14,860 posts)About humans not being mammals...I take it your mom didn't breastfeed and wasn't breastfed herself.
Heddi
(18,312 posts)Well, I'm under 3 feet of snow, but still in Seattle...
DemonSpawn
(45 posts)Heddi
(18,312 posts)then it got Ikea. So now it's like "Seattle 2 hours south of Seattle"
j/k. I like portland, haven't spent a ton of time there. Hubby was "stationed" there for a month when he was being trained as a Red Cross Worker. I liked the city, plan on spending more time come spring/summer.
At least y'all have a TV show made after you....Portlandia. Seattle has no such thing. Seattle jumped the shark, tho, years ago
DemonSpawn
(45 posts)But what I meant was I'll trade you the rain for the 3 feet of snow. Love the white stuff.
Heddi
(18,312 posts)all the snow is Melting now...plus rain...it is cold and sopping wet and gonna be floody and shitty for the next while
laconicsax
(14,860 posts)A far better show than Portlandia.
Even The Jon Report with Bob was better than Portlandia.
Don't get me wrong, Portlandia is fun, but it just can't hold a candle to Almost Live.
Ron Obvious
(6,261 posts)That alone is worthy of an annual trip for this Seattleite.
laconicsax
(14,860 posts)Three downtown, two on Hawthorne, one in Beaverton...
EvolveOrConvolve
(6,452 posts)I could have sworn that there was a Powell's out in Gresham, but I can't find it on their website so maybe my recollection is wrong.
I was so poor at that time, being a student, that I wasn't able to buy much from the store. But I spent hours browsing and perusing the selection and drinking coffee. I can still remember the smell in Powell's - very distinctive and pleasant.
I had a MAX line card and I'd ride it downtown to spend the day with the books, then head to a bar and get drunk before going home. Those were good times before the rigors and responsibilities of adulthood set in...
DemonSpawn
(45 posts)Srsly, that's what was taught in the "science" portion of the dogma-filled BS program. The SUN is not a ball of gas, it is GOD. God flung the stars from his fingers into the heavens.
Here's a link to the crazy if you are curious.
[link:http://www.abeka.com/|
laconicsax
(14,860 posts)uriel1972
(4,261 posts)I'm too scared to go further "God's gift of Language" brrr
laconicsax
(14,860 posts)Have you read John McWhorter's "The Power of Babel?"
I was stunned when I found out that such an entertaining and informative book was written by a RW creationist.
PassingFair
(22,434 posts)My fundie niece was asking me questions about evolution when she was here
over the holidays....
I got out the book and she started reading it.
She asked me if she could borrow it and I told her she'd have
to ask her father.....he told me it was OK, that she was allowed
to question ....when she got to the door, she handed the book
back to me and said
"That's all right, Aunt Patty, I feel like I'm SINNING JUST READING IT".
OK, not my kid, but WOW.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Fear & guilt.... fear & guilt...
Maybe you should have told her there's an ap that goes with the book.
PassingFair
(22,434 posts)Her mother and grandparents are very religious, and I don't
want to be responsible for any pain the kid may endure if she
pulls away from the fold, because it is a tight community.
She asks me questions and I say "some people think"...
I don't know what else to do.
At Christmas dinner, which is always held at my house, she
wanted us all to pray, and I explained that we didn't DO that
at our house, and she said, "Alright, just so that we all remember
the "reason for the season...", at which point, my husband said
"RIGHT, the SOLSTICE!"
Must have been a rough holiday for the kid.
Jean V. Dubois
(101 posts)I feel sorry for the kid, being caught between the two opposing camps. I've never been in such a situation myself; while I have a sister-in-law who's somewhat religious (Catholic) it's never been an issue when she's visited.
PassingFair
(22,434 posts)My niece's mother was in the hospital over Christmas, so my
brother came to my house for dinner...they usually spend it
with his wife's family.
The funny thing is that my brother's wife is a high school
BIOLOGY teacher, and she teaches about evolution, but she
doesn't believe in it. She is also a staunch Democrat, with a
capital "D", as is her whole family. I really LIKE her, and she
keeps her beliefs to herself. I would never want to intentionally
subvert her or her children's beliefs.
I just wasn't prepared to create a Potemkin Christian village
here around Christmas time just to shield her kid from our reality.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)I was trained as a biology teacher and my curiousity is peaked about those books. But not enough to be willing to pay to see it.
I am so sorry you had to endure this, and congratulations for surviving with a functioning brain. It has to be really hard to be indoctrinated like this and be able to still think for yourself. Keep it up.
DemonSpawn
(45 posts)Even back then I thought it was bull. They were unable to convince me that humans are not mammals. I did however worry about about the rapture/apocalypse.
In my early teens my mother would read aloud the kids' version of the Left Behind series. That was some scary shit at the time.
Left Behind: The kids. I thought all children were automatically "saved". I guess that's just the unborn.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)But that is how they perpetuate the absurb----fear.
I have a coworker who keeps wanting to lend me her "left behind" books, since we both are avid readers. Jeez. She wasn't bothered by these books, so I assume she "knows" she will not be one of them who is left behind. I tell her if I want to think about the end of times, I will re-read Stephen King's "The Stand"....where there are good people as well as bad people left.
DemonSpawn
(45 posts)really believe the stuff that they write? Or is it the $$$? All I know is that it started with one book and they just kept COMING.
onager
(9,356 posts)Glad to have another of the Condemned to talk with! As someone else posted, this is a pretty friendly bunch. Long as people don't come in just to yank our chains. When they do that, they find out we bite. (I bet the lurking theists got a laugh out of that line.)
Since you brought up the Sophisticated Theology (tm) of the Left Behind series, I'm confused.
Out here in Los Angeles, TBN (Paul & Jan Crouch) sometimes run Armaged-athons of both the Left Behind movies. Plus other masterworks like Megiddo: Omega Code 3. Which makes Left Behind look like Citizen Kane.
Anyway, in the first LB movie - in a scene directly ripped off from Stephen King's The Langoliers - we see the Rapture take place on an airliner.
Seats in the aircraft suddenly empty, except for stuff like dentures and kid paraphernalia. A theologian cleverly camouflaged as a flight attendant starts yipping that it's the Rapture, and all the kiddies have been Taken Up because "all children are innocent."
All I can say is, that dumbass didn't know me when I was a child. Or any of my friends. And most of us were little SoB's (Southern Baptists).
And finally...Boo!
darkstar3
(8,763 posts)DemonSpawn
(45 posts)HA! I love your avatar!
Jean V. Dubois
(101 posts)Ah, the evils of Linnaean taxonomy...
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)And then there is newt.
madmom
(9,681 posts)mr blur
(7,753 posts)but you'll be in good company. And that's where all the interesting people will be.
I can only imagine what it must be like to "believe", as I never have. Came from a family which doesn't care about such things, in a country which doesn't really care, either. I have no idea if my parents actually believe in a god - none of us ever seemed to think it important enough to talk about.
TruthBeTold65
(203 posts)I am very curious about a couple of things:
1) What was the catalyst for the conversion? Was it the "mammals" thing?
2) What did your parents think of the conversion? And are you still on speaking terms?
DemonSpawn
(45 posts)watching the Atheist Experience on YouTube. As I watched and listened, my Christianity melted away. It was eye-opening to hear Christians present their evidence of the existence of god, and that evidence consisted of nothing but scripture and tired theories of intelligent design.
My father died in 2006, before I gave up god. I have cut my mother out of my life completely. My life is much more peaceful without her toxic presence.
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheAtheistExperience?feature=g-u-u#p/u/0/okGg4uli97Q
TruthBeTold65
(203 posts)watch their videos pretty regularly. I am always amazed at the calmness Matt shows in the face of such ignorance. Sure he loses it sometimes but generally very good host.
Sorry to hear about your dad. I understand the toxic presence thing...got cut that out sometimes to be happy.
Thanks for the insight into your experience, I appreciate it.
DemonSpawn
(45 posts)Matt in person. He is responsible for my raging atheism.
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)Glad you made it out! You will find some brilliant stuff here at the AA forum.
Julie
montanto
(2,966 posts)I used to live in Portand (84-94), and loved it there. Been a while, so I hope its still the tuned in, safe haven that it once was. Keep Portland Weird!! Speaking of weird I always find it remarkable that all of the atheists that I know have more "christian" values than the christians I know. Just sayin.
happpychemtrails2U
(12 posts)But hi.
lib_wit_it
(2,222 posts)Deep13
(39,154 posts)I feel the same way, although I did attend public schools.
iris27
(1,951 posts)Congratulations on breaking free of the homeschool indoctrination! I went to parochial school, which is slightly less over-the-top, but still pretty ridiculous. But I had some friends who were homeschooled, and sadly, they are all still super-involved in the church we grew up in.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)I admire you for overcoming your early background and being open to learning. It seems like relatively few people are able to do that.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)Contrary to the opinions of some in other forums, we're a good group of people here.
dmallind
(10,437 posts)edited: whoops just noticed the op is ppr. How the hell did I miss both his arrival AND departure?
SamG
(535 posts)Or perhaps some other offense for a newcomer.
Is there a way of seeing all their posts? Or is that not possible when they are revoked from posting??
Taverner
(55,476 posts)cynatnite
(31,011 posts)I was brought up on fire and brimstone preaching my entire life. I also struggled with it and there was a lot of emotional pain because I couldn't "believe" like everyone around me. I used to think something was wrong with me.
Divesting myself of it was also painful because this was how I was raised. I had to completely let it go and that was a long process itself.
About 5 years or so ago, I was finally able to say that I am an atheist. I had to keep looking up to make sure lightening wasn't going to strike me down. It took another year or so for me to completely let go and discover the freedom from religion.
This was a long struggle to get where I am, but it was worth it. I found a peace of mind that I never had with Christianity. It is truly freedom from religion.
Welcome to the club!
Ninjaneer
(607 posts)We meet every 2nd Sunday of the month for our baby eating atheist feast.
SamG
(535 posts)Sorry you had such a limiting means of education. If you need help catching up here, I'm sure most of us college educated folks will offer you some resources, but I bet that you are quite resourceful, yourself, in learning how to make up for your lack of actual "home-schooled" education.
I hope you enjoy your time here, and I hope we all can make you enjoy a non-faith-based life.
PassingFair
(22,434 posts)Don't know why, but he's no longer here.