Turkish President - Women Are Not Equal To Men

[onager]

Posted because of a frequent argument I see from religious apologists, even on DU - that religion itself is not harmful. Religion is all about GOOD stuff, like contemplating the awesomeness of one's chosen deity and helping society and Other Ways of Knowing.

The President of Turkey might disagree with that. He seems to credit Islam completely for his misogynistic rantings:

Erdogan: women are not equal to men

ANKARA, Turkey (AP) — Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan set off a new controversy on Monday, declaring that women are not equal to men and accusing feminists of not understanding the special status that Islam attributes to mothers.

Addressing a meeting in Istanbul on women and justice, Erdogan said men and women are created differently, that women cannot be expected to undertake the same work as men, and that mothers enjoy a high position that only they can reach.

"You cannot put women and men on an equal footing," Erdogan said. "It is against nature. They were created differently. Their nature is different. Their constitution is different."

Erdogan added: "Motherhood is the highest position ... You cannot explain this to feminists. They don't accept motherhood. They have no such concern."

Lawyer and women's rights activist Hulya Gulbahar said Erdogan's comments were in violation of Turkey's constitution, Turkish laws and international conventions on gender equality and didn't help efforts to stem high incidences of violence against women in Turkey.

"Such comments by state officials which disregard equality between men and women play an important role in the rise of violence against women," Gulbahar said. "Such comments aim to make women's presence in public life — from politics to arts, from science to sports — debatable."

Erdogan, a devout Muslim, often courts controversy with divisive public comments. He has previously angered women's groups by stating that women should bear at least three children and by attempting to outlaw abortion and adultery.

He raised eyebrows this month by declaring that Muslims had discovered the Americas before Christopher Columbus.

http://news.yahoo.com/erdogan-women-not-equal-men-141047433.html

[Warpy]

1. Oh, my, that again

That sick fuck needs to realize that his "special status" for unequal women always adds up to slavery. I doubt he's ever speculated about what a role reversal would feel like.

Devoutly religious males always want to be tyrants. If life has not made them rulers of countries, then they'll be smugly satisfied by being tyrants over women and children.

[Act_of_Reparation]

2. But Turkey is a bastion of Islamic liberalism.

Reza Aslan said so himself.

[trotsky]

3. My hero!

[AtheistCrusader]

5. My jury is still out on that guy.

Not sure what to think yet.

[trotsky]

8. I was being a tad snarky.

It's the one time the hero of the "it's NEVER religion" club admitted something like that.

[AtheistCrusader]

4. The vikings were Muslims? Holy shit!

I know 'NotAllTurks' and all, clearly, but I've seen similar sentiment from a Turkish male recently, and I think it was nicely dealt with here:

[Gelliebeans]

6. Didn't Ben Affleck

Think Turkey a wonderful vacation destination?
Wonder how he would feel about the safety of his wife and daughters there.

[Warren Stupidity]

7. Hey Karen Armstrong (nun->atheist->wtf) said none of that shit is in the Koran

and she was a Nun, and an Atheist, and a WTF, plus she talked to an imam who agreed with her so STFU!



























Dear Jury, this is a Parody, please do not validate Poe's Law.

[edhopper]

9. He is saying nothing

most Muslims don't also believe.

Could you cross post in religion. Could be interesting.

[onager]

10. Nope. To quote G.H.W. Bush...

Wouldn't be prudent.

Just made my first post in that group for a LONG time, and what I wrote will probably piss off the Muslim apologists already. (About animal sacrifices.)

I don't want to be accused of posting an anti-Muslim twofer. The Xians might feel neglected.

Anyone else is more than welcome to take it over there, though.

Long as I'm here - Karen Armstrong never met a god or prophet she doesn't like. As one of her critics posted elsewhere - people who call Armstrong a theologian are wrong. She's a self-trained religious historian, and often a very dishonest one. She takes cherry-picking to a whole new level, by completely ignoring whole swaths of whatever belief system she's enthusing over at the time.

"Muhammad, A Prophet for Our Time?" WTF? Only if "our time" is the 7th century CE...

[edhopper]

11. I was just trying to stir the pot

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maybe I'll post it if I want to cause trouble.