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wavesofeuphoria

(525 posts)
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 11:34 AM Dec 2014

Re: My daughter's paper on Atheism

I posted an open request of this group's members to answer a few questions regarding their atheism. I wanted to update you on the paper, which was submitted for grading yesterday.

The paper was assigned as an auto-ethnographic study of some aspect of the student's life. My daughter began studying religions about 3 year ago and this year has embraced the label "atheist". She was raised without religion (she knew of it, knew religious people). It was necessary for the paper to address perceptions and conventions or "insiders" and "outsiders". My daughter decided to title the paper "#Atheism: How All Forms of Media Affect Atheism"

Writing the essay required research - books, articles, surveys, video, film, etc - and peer-review and sharing along with other feedback means. In addition, she was required to give a presentation in class.

She addressed three views "outsiders" have of atheists: atheists have no morals; atheists lack emotion, namely "wonder" and" awe"; and atheists are oppressing religious people

It appears that theists views of atheists are overly complex, overly judgmental, and wrapped in fear. Many of the atheists who responded to my survey said that atheists are viewed poorly in society, some going so far as to say that we were "right up there with diehard Stalinists and child molesters" (survey).


She was told to "tone down" a few parts of her paper (she didn't though) --

The only thing that really unites us is our disbelief in a god or gods. We don't have weekly meetings or secret handshakes. We don't eat babies on Wednesday nights or have satanic rituals in the woods. We don't have magical underwear or wear pointy hats. We just don't believe in any god.

(The issue was the "magical underwear" and "pointy hats" part.)

and

It seems that maybe the problem is forcing atheism into the form and structure of religion. Religion's privilege in our society is reflected in this framing. However, as my mother reminds me, if atheism is a religion, then barefoot is a shoe.

(The issue was the "religion's privilege" part, not the quoting your mother part )

For the most part, her "coming out" as it was, went fairly smoothly. I was happy about that! I think its given her confidence in herself and her views. Her concluding paragraph ....

Atheists are affected in many ways by how we are portrayed by television, movies, news, "news", and other forms of mass media. Some sources will depict atheists as curs in society that should be avoided and demeaned while others ignore our lack of belief and just show us as regular people. As atheists, we could change the negative views with the help of social media. With social media, we can begin to connect with one another. Internet forums and humanist/atheist group websites, along with typical social media like Facebook and Twitter, can bring atheists together. These outlets have given me the opportunity to talk with atheists from across the US, Europe, and South America, among other places. Social media allows us to connect so that we can come together, grow stronger, and have a voice. I think this voice will be key to de-stigmatizing the atheist label. Regardless, no matter what the media says about us or how the media portrays us, one thing will remain constant: we will always be here. And for those who realize that they no longer believe in a god and feel lost, we will always be here, to quote Paul Provenza, "to welcome you with open arms" (The Unbelievers).


Thank you again for your help and for the group !!
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Re: My daughter's paper on Atheism (Original Post) wavesofeuphoria Dec 2014 OP
"if atheism is a religion, then barefoot is a shoe" trotsky Dec 2014 #1
Yeah, progressoid Dec 2014 #4
Thanks!! :) wavesofeuphoria Dec 2014 #16
That's awesome Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #2
Thanks for your "English teacher" perspective. wavesofeuphoria Dec 2014 #9
Very cool Galileo126 Dec 2014 #3
Thanks! wavesofeuphoria Dec 2014 #10
Very cool. progressoid Dec 2014 #5
I'm actually working on getting her to attend a few wavesofeuphoria Dec 2014 #11
Absolutely. progressoid Dec 2014 #15
Congratulate her from me - mr blur Dec 2014 #6
Thank you!! wavesofeuphoria Dec 2014 #12
I find public schools in most of the country, are a safe haven for us. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #7
I think the community college she is attending is super! wavesofeuphoria Dec 2014 #13
Great job! Congratulations! onager Dec 2014 #8
Thank you!! wavesofeuphoria Dec 2014 #14
It looks like she did a great job. Curmudgeoness Dec 2014 #17

progressoid

(49,978 posts)
4. Yeah,
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 01:41 PM
Dec 2014

I remember reading something similar here a few years ago. Something like, 'if atheism is a religion, then baldness is a hairstyle".

(I can relate )

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
2. That's awesome
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 11:49 AM
Dec 2014

For what it's worth, I'm an English teacher and I would not have had a problem with the privilege thing, but we discuss all kinds of privilege in my class so it would feel natural (we are having the easy discussion of class right now covering Gatsby, but have discussed different race privilege when reading a Sherman Alexie novel).

Anyway, I would probably have made a comment about the pointy hat and underwear because I do think it cuts against her point a bit in that it diverts attention to religion. Though, it does add a bit of voice and tone, so I can see keeping it.

It's good to see someone really thinking about who they are and exploring what they think.

wavesofeuphoria

(525 posts)
9. Thanks for your "English teacher" perspective.
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 03:31 PM
Dec 2014

It was the instructor who said she should tone it down, but during peer-reviews several students said to leave it, thought it fit with her general tone.

She loves writing and enjoys English classes. Our community college here offers some really good ones it seems.

I too like seeing her exploring her thinking ... and I am really glad that these classes offer the opportunity to do that.

Galileo126

(2,016 posts)
3. Very cool
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 01:16 PM
Dec 2014

I took your daughter's ("L-&quot survey, and she kindly responded on private email. I'm glad her paper worked out well!

While taking her survey, I wrote down an answer that summed up my view of "atheism":

"I don't need a mythical Sky Fairy to tell me how to be nice to other people. I can do that all by myself."

wavesofeuphoria

(525 posts)
10. Thanks!
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 03:35 PM
Dec 2014

She was excited about every single reply. I remember when she was reading them, she said -- "these people are so honest and so funny too."

She noted that a lot of the atheists she heard from or talked to had a really good sense of humor about them

progressoid

(49,978 posts)
5. Very cool.
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 01:43 PM
Dec 2014

My daughters too have become baby eating atheists. Even though (or perhaps because) they spent a few years in church in their youth.

wavesofeuphoria

(525 posts)
11. I'm actually working on getting her to attend a few
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 03:43 PM
Dec 2014

religious services - variety of religions - just to see them herself. Not to disrupt or to disagree, but just to have authentic knowledge.

Can't hurt, right?

Thanks for the thumbs up!

progressoid

(49,978 posts)
15. Absolutely.
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 04:09 PM
Dec 2014

Understanding other points of view is important.

But, if she suddenly decides she needs to work on her Thetan Level....

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
7. I find public schools in most of the country, are a safe haven for us.
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 02:10 PM
Dec 2014

There are geographical exceptions, but for the most part, there are enough barriers to discrimination, and enough general acceptance, that we can mostly be what we are in full light of day, and not be attacked for it.

That's my experience anyway.

wavesofeuphoria

(525 posts)
13. I think the community college she is attending is super!
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 03:51 PM
Dec 2014

Very dedicated to learning and teaching ... student's have access to lots of resources to aid in their successes.

I agree, there are geographical exceptions. Here in upstate NY, we occasionally run into some x-ian fundamentalists, but the negative reactions from her classmates was minimal.

onager

(9,356 posts)
8. Great job! Congratulations!
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 03:13 PM
Dec 2014

Glad we could help.

I think the line about "Stalinists and child molesters" was me. I'm honored to be quoted.

Hope you'll continue to drop in here and visit with us occasionally.

And of course - HAPPY HOLIDAYS!

wavesofeuphoria

(525 posts)
14. Thank you!!
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 04:06 PM
Dec 2014

I've been hanging out on DU since late 2005. Lurker I suppose you'd call it. Also busy raising my kiddo

I've tried to participate a bit here over the last year or so ... but seems its hard to stay at a computer for long. That's changing now with my daughter taking cc classes!!

Thanks again ... and Festivus for the rest of us!!!

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
17. It looks like she did a great job.
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 09:04 PM
Dec 2014

I was glad to help her as well. I always loved doing papers for English class, although it was time consuming and difficult for me. She did a nice paper.

Let us know how she does. I am curious to know whether she gets crap about leaving the points in that were suggested to be toned down. (Mostly because I just found it easy to go along with my instructor if they weren't happy with something, and I always wondered if it mattered in the end.)

Tell her we are all proud of her.

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