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progressoid

(49,983 posts)
Tue May 12, 2015, 02:23 AM May 2015

Allen West and his Christian persecution complex.


More ominous signs of Christian persecution

...There was a young man doing the checkout and another Walmart employee came over and put up a sign, “No alcohol products in this lane.” So being the inquisitive fella I am, I used my additional set of eyes — glasses — to see the young checkout man’s name. Let me just say it was NOT “Steve.”

I pointed the sign out to Aubrey and her response was a simple question, how is it that this Muslim employee could refuse service to customers based on his religious beliefs, but Christians are being forced to participate in specific events contrary to their religious beliefs?

Boy howdy, that is one astute young lady.

Imagine that, this employee at Walmart refused to just scan a bottle or container of an alcoholic beverage — and that is acceptable. A Christian business owner declines to participate or provide service to a specific event — a gay wedding — which contradicts their faith, and the State crushes them.

EDITOR’S UPDATE: We spoke to the Walmart store, and apparently employees under 21 years old are prohibited from selling cigarettes and alcohol. ...



So, Allen got his undies in a wad thinking the kid was a Muslim. But it turns out the kid was just too young to ring up booze.


Why should he let a little error like that stifle his Christian indignation? And when he finds out it's just store policy, he not only leaves to post for all to see, he doubles down on his stupidity.


It's here if you wanna read it. http://allenbwest.com/2015/05/sharia-law-comes-to-walmart/


They get freaked out by Muslims not wanting to touch bacon or gin at their jobs because Allah said so. But it's great for a pharmacist to deny a woman Plan B because their God said so.


I wonder if these people see that they are cut from the same crazy cloth?


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Allen West and his Christian persecution complex. (Original Post) progressoid May 2015 OP
Who is this "Allen West" you speak of? jmowreader May 2015 #1
Yeah, kicked out. But with full military benefits. progressoid May 2015 #2
Not exactly Kicked Out nil desperandum May 2015 #10
I commonly refer to him as Uncle Ruckas. Suji to Seoul May 2015 #5
they are too stupid to see they are cut from the same crazy cloth Skittles May 2015 #3
Wait. If Christians get their "right-to-belief" stuff, will Muslims get Sharia law? DetlefK May 2015 #4
Catholics used to have the no interest loans clause as well Lordquinton May 2015 #13
Allen West is about on par with Louie Gohmert. Enthusiast May 2015 #6
Allen West rpannier May 2015 #7
He ain't that loaded; A HERETIC I AM May 2015 #8
And that link has why politics is so damned irritating rpannier May 2015 #9
Of course they do not see the parallels Curmudgeoness May 2015 #11
And I suppose West has no problem with the pharmacists who refuse... 47of74 May 2015 #12
Muslims have "anger management" issues and christians don't ??? beam me up scottie May 2015 #14

jmowreader

(50,555 posts)
1. Who is this "Allen West" you speak of?
Tue May 12, 2015, 03:47 AM
May 2015

Oh yes...I remember...isn't he the idiot who got kicked out of the Army for committing war crimes? And why isn't he in The Hague?

nil desperandum

(654 posts)
10. Not exactly Kicked Out
Tue May 12, 2015, 09:43 AM
May 2015

He took Non-Judicial Punishment. A fine of $5,000 over two months from his pay.

Regardless of the prosecutorial hyperbole at the time investigators recommended administrative action. Odierno could easily have ordered the court martial after the article 32 hearing if he felt that was the appropriate course of action.


3–2. Use of nonjudicial punishment
A commander should use nonpunitive measures to the fullest extent to further the efficiency of the command before
resorting to nonjudicial punishment (see para 1d(1), part V, MCM, 2008). Use of nonjudicial punishment is proper in
all cases involving minor offenses in which nonpunitive measures are considered inadequate or inappropriate. If it is
clear that nonjudicial punishment will not be sufficient to meet the ends of justice, more stringent measures must be
taken. Prompt action is essential for nonjudicial punishment to have the proper corrective effect. Nonjudicial punishment
may be imposed to—
a. Correct, educate, and reform offenders whom the imposing commander determines cannot benefit from less
stringent measures.
b. Preserve a Soldier’s record of service from unnecessary stigma by record of court-martial conviction.
c. Further military efficiency by disposing of minor offenses in a manner requiring less time and personnel than trial
by court-martial.


I don't much care for West, but he wasn't kicked out and he is technically retired at rank so calling him Colonel is still appropriate as that was his last rank while serving.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
4. Wait. If Christians get their "right-to-belief" stuff, will Muslims get Sharia law?
Tue May 12, 2015, 05:19 AM
May 2015

"Sorry, can't sell you pork, it's against my religion."
"Sorry, I no longer pay interest on the loan because the Quran forbids loans with interest."

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
13. Catholics used to have the no interest loans clause as well
Tue May 12, 2015, 02:37 PM
May 2015

Probably dropped it around the time they added abortion to this list of sins.

The no interest clause was the source of much antisemitism, and the justification for kicking the jews out of town routinely.

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
7. Allen West
Tue May 12, 2015, 05:43 AM
May 2015

Another example of why being stupid and bigoted does not prevent you from achieving wealth regardless of how talentless you are

A HERETIC I AM

(24,366 posts)
8. He ain't that loaded;
Tue May 12, 2015, 07:14 AM
May 2015
http://ballotpedia.org/Allen_West#Net_worth

One of my nephews was on a first name basis with the douche. (Nephew is a little right winger/libertarian. And clueless about the world at large, but not stupid)

West makes me want to saw Palm Beach county off and float it toward Long Island.

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
9. And that link has why politics is so damned irritating
Tue May 12, 2015, 09:37 AM
May 2015

and why the representatives aren't very representative

net worth of Republican representatives in 2010 of $7,561,133

I'm guessing that they're wealthier today and that most of the Democrats average is pretty close as well

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
11. Of course they do not see the parallels
Tue May 12, 2015, 11:28 AM
May 2015

between the Sharia Law of the Muslims and the Christian Law that they so readily embrace.

I love your last line---completely appropriate.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
12. And I suppose West has no problem with the pharmacists who refuse...
Tue May 12, 2015, 01:42 PM
May 2015

...to fill prescriptions because Jeeeeezus.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
14. Muslims have "anger management" issues and christians don't ???
Tue May 12, 2015, 04:39 PM
May 2015
Recently I wrote about the reason why the sign goes up for the Muslim employee, but the law — and the liberal progressive left — punishes Christian business owners. It all boils down to one group having an anger management issue, and the PC “coexist” crowd is just too cowardly.

I have to wonder, if Christians were threatening to blow things up, would they be treated differently as a faith-based collective group? After all, perhaps there are those who take the whole “turn the other cheek” assertion as a sign of weakness — a gap to exploit.




10 of the Worst Terror Attacks by Extreme Christians and Far-Right White Men

2. The murder of Dr. George Tiller, May 31, 2009. Imagine that a physician had been the victim of an attempted assassination by an Islamic jihadist in 1993, and received numerous death threats from al-Qaeda after that, before being murdered by an al-Qaeda member. Neocons, Fox News and the Christian Right would have had a field day. A physician was the victim of a terrorist killing that day, but neither the terrorist nor the people who inflamed the terrorist were Muslims. Dr. George Tiller, who was shot and killed by anti-abortion terrorist Scott Roeder on May 31, 2009, was a victim of Christian Right terrorism, not al-Qaeda.

Tiller had a long history of being targeted for violence by Christian Right terrorists. In 1986, his clinic was firebombed. Then, in 1993, Tiller was shot five times by female Christian Right terrorist Shelly Shannon (now serving time in a federal prison) but survived that attack. Given that Tiller had been the victim of an attempted murder and received countless death threats after that, Fox News would have done well to avoid fanning the flames of unrest. Instead, Bill O’Reilly repeatedly referred to him as “Tiller the baby killer." When Roeder murdered Tiller, O’Reilly condemned the attack but did so in a way that was lukewarm at best.

...

4. The murder of Dr. John Britton, July 29, 1994. To hear the Christian Right tell it, there is no such thing as Christian terrorism. Tell that to the victims of the Army of God, a loose network of radical Christianists with a long history of terrorist attacks on abortion providers. One Christian Right terrorist with ties to the Army of God was Paul Jennings Hill, who was executed by lethal injection on Sept. 3, 2003 for the murders of abortion doctor John Britton and his bodyguard James Barrett. Hill shot both of them in cold blood and expressed no remorse whatsoever; he insisted he was doing’s God’s work and has been exalted as a martyr by the Army of God.

...

6. The murder of Barnett Slepian byJames Charles Kopp, Oct. 23, 1998. Like Paul Jennings Hill, Eric Rudolph and Scott Roeder, James Charles Kopp is a radical Christian terrorist who has been exalted as a hero by the Army of God. On Oct. 23, 1998 Kopp fired a single shot into the Amherst, NY home of Barnett Slepian (a doctor who performed abortions), mortally wounding him. Slepian died an hour later. Kopp later claimed he only meant to wound Slepian, not kill him. But Judge Michael D'Amico of Erin County, NY said that the killing was clearly premeditated and sentenced Kopp to 25 years to life. Kopp is a suspect in other anti-abortion terrorist attacks, including the non-fatal shootings of three doctors in Canada, though it appears unlikely that Kopp will be extradited to Canada to face any charges.

7. Planned Parenthood bombing, Brookline, Massachusetts, 1994. Seldom has the term “Christian terrorist” been used in connection with John C. Salvi on AM talk radio or at Fox News, but it’s a term that easily applies to him. In 1994, the radical anti-abortionist and Army of God member attacked a Planned Parenthood clinic in Brookline, Massachusetts, shooting and killing receptionists Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols and wounding several others. Salvi was found dead in his prison cell in 1996, and his death was ruled a suicide. The Army of God has exalted Salvi as a Christian martyr and described Lowney and Nichols not as victims of domestic terrorism, but as infidels who got what they deserved. The Rev. Donald Spitz, a Christianist and Army of God supporter who is so extreme that even the radical anti-abortion group Operation Rescue disassociated itself from him, has praised Salvi as well.

More: http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/10-worst-terror-attacks-extreme-christians-and-far-right-white-men

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