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onager

(9,356 posts)
Mon Apr 2, 2012, 01:56 AM Apr 2012

Wow! Cop in TV show says: "I'm not religious."

Well, naturally it was a British TV show. We can't have that sort of sacrilege here in One Nation Under Jebus, especially in an election year.

And even more sacrilege...the line of dialogue was in the second part of the "Red Riding" trilogy. Each section of that trilogy has the full title: "Red Riding - In the Year of Our Lord 1974 (1980/1983)."

As more than one critic noted, those titles are hilarious non sequiturs - no "Lord" of any sort ever pops up to help. The story lines center around a series of gruesome child murders, and the bungled hunt for the Yorkshire Ripper in the "1980" episode.

The "Red Riding" is Yorkshire, as much of a character as any human. With its trash heaps, looming nuke plant, and crumbling houses under a perpetually lead-gray sky, as depicted here the place would make Rev. Bob Schuller consider suicide.

The whole series has a refreshing lack of all the cliches often seen in cop shows - not surprising since a main topic is police and political corruption. No smiling, helpful Bobbies around here - if these cops are smiling, they are probably about to throw you out of a moving vehicle or burn down your house.

And we get Sean Bean as a completely amoral and psycho real estate developer. "Of course I'm a Labour man. Those Tory c**ts don't stay bought."

I came across the trilogy by accident this weekend on cable. Watched the first one and was immediately hooked.

This is not casual TV watching. It's complex, multi-layered and demands close attention to even remotely understand what's going on.

The heavy Yorkshire accents don't help. I was amused to see that when it ran on British TV in 2009, some subtitles were added because even the British have trouble understanding that accent.

Now I want to read the novels by David Peace. Which have been described as "Charles Dickens on bad acid."

IMdb synopses below. Don't read the Wikipedia entry if you plan to watch - they give away the whole plot:

1974: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1259574/
1980: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1260581/
1983: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1259573/


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Wow! Cop in TV show says: "I'm not religious." (Original Post) onager Apr 2012 OP
Compare the German drama "Thou Shalt Not Kill" where the two main characters dimbear Apr 2012 #1
"One's a cop. One's a rabbi." Iggo Apr 2012 #4
The novels are terrific, mr blur Apr 2012 #2
Betcha won't hear Deputy "Butterbean" sayin that woodsprite Apr 2012 #3
Bones has definite atheist tendencies OriginalGeek Apr 2012 #5
And all her friends piteously shake their heads at poor unbeliever Bones... AlbertCat Apr 2012 #7
Last night she referred to Booth's religion as mythology OriginalGeek Apr 2012 #8
Let's not forget Dr. Greg House... amyrose2712 Apr 2012 #14
Oh yeah! OriginalGeek Apr 2012 #15
Inspector Morse was an atheist character muriel_volestrangler Apr 2012 #6
As was Jack Regan, I think Ron Obvious Apr 2012 #9
Morse didn't need God - he had THIS! onager Apr 2012 #10
Dean Winchester was an avowed atheist on Supernatural... cynatnite Apr 2012 #11
You'll find quite a bit of atheism on Star Trek, too AlbertCat Apr 2012 #12
I grew up there, and went to school with Peace dmallind Apr 2012 #13
It's just so hard for me to imagine that... OriginalGeek Apr 2012 #16
Thanks! That was some interesting info. onager Apr 2012 #17

dimbear

(6,271 posts)
1. Compare the German drama "Thou Shalt Not Kill" where the two main characters
Mon Apr 2, 2012, 03:12 AM
Apr 2012

are a Catholic Monsignor and an atheist cop who also happens to be a single mom. She, BTW, is quite a cutie and the forbidden chemistry is amusing.

http://schreibman.20six.de/schreibman/art/14276892

It's called "Ihr Auftrag Pater Castell"


You can catch it on VMe if you don't mind Spanish dialogue.

Iggo

(47,549 posts)
4. "One's a cop. One's a rabbi."
Mon Apr 2, 2012, 11:06 AM
Apr 2012

"Together, they're cops! Except for the rabbi."

(Sorry. That just spilled out of my memory...)

 

mr blur

(7,753 posts)
2. The novels are terrific,
Mon Apr 2, 2012, 06:28 AM
Apr 2012

better than the TV, I thought. As his his novel GB84, about Thatcher's war on the miners - although it helps to have lived through that awful part of British political history.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
5. Bones has definite atheist tendencies
Mon Apr 2, 2012, 11:50 PM
Apr 2012

I mean the new show with Zooey's sister and Angel, not the old one with Captain Kirk...


Although I think they sometimes try to portray her as considering compromise in order to appease Booth. And all her friends piteously shake their heads at poor unbeliever Bones...

Still, she's one of the few openly non-religious characters on American TV since Mike Stivic. That I can remember...

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
7. And all her friends piteously shake their heads at poor unbeliever Bones...
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 11:21 AM
Apr 2012

Which is why it sux.... she is the "freak" and her atheism is not presented positively. She can't interact socially and it is implied outside of work she is hopeless. I think it's only mentioned to ridicule.... ignoring that everyone else is using logic and science to solve the crimes, not their spirituality.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
8. Last night she referred to Booth's religion as mythology
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 02:00 PM
Apr 2012

in the middle of having her baby in a stable outside a country Inn with no room..

And no, her atheism isn't represented positively but I think it IS represented realistically with regard to other people's reactions. I couldn't even begin to count the number of pitiful eye-rolls I've gotten from believers who found out I am not. But to be fair, at least half of those were right after I said something spectacularly outrageous about their myths.

And I think they make her socially awkward because of her super high intelligence, not her atheism. She'd be that hopelessly socially inept whether she was a believer or not.

amyrose2712

(3,391 posts)
14. Let's not forget Dr. Greg House...
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 07:22 AM
Apr 2012

He definitely openly ridicules religion at every chance he gets. Although, I get the feeling sometimes he WISHES some of it were true.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
15. Oh yeah!
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 10:56 AM
Apr 2012

I forgot about him because we quit watching several seasons ago - not sure why...we just missed it some and didn't miss missing it...


And technically, I wish there was magic too...

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
9. As was Jack Regan, I think
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 08:26 PM
Apr 2012

As was John Thaw's earlier incarnation Jack Regan, I believe. As are Jack Frost, Wexford, Adam Dalglish, I'm pretty sure (though can't prove). Certainly the latter characters from the books were. Other than Rebus, whose religiosity was clearly a tacked-on character trait from the first book and which was later discarded, I'd be hard-pressed to think of an even mildly religious British TV cop in fact. Authority-detesting lone wolves, the lot of them.

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
11. Dean Winchester was an avowed atheist on Supernatural...
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 09:45 PM
Apr 2012

The man didn't believe in god in the face of vampires, ghosts, demons and so on. Still didn't believe even when he was rescued by an angel. Now, he does believe, but calls god a douche and that the angels in heaven are god's stepford *itches.

You'll find quite a bit of atheism on Star Trek, too. Roddenberry was an atheist.

dmallind

(10,437 posts)
13. I grew up there, and went to school with Peace
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 12:49 PM
Apr 2012

(not name dropping, can't remember him at all - just going by bio).

Hell I was born 300 yards from the first scene mentioned in the quartet. Yes people, of the less well educated classes, do sound like that there. They used mostly local actors not the transparently false faked accents of southerners.

I read the first book and other than one darkly amusing inside joke was not a big fan. Too much stream of consciousness loose-ending and unrealistic action (a few shots of whisky do not cure horrendous beatings) let alone strangely twisted misogynistic sex for no particular reason. I'm fine with gritty realism, but gritty unrealism not so much.

The "Ratcatcher" though? How he got away with that from a libel lawsuit I have no idea but he barely changed the real name of the music teacher (Gordon Goldthorp in reality) and portrayed his actual major hobby - an idiot savant level passion for bus and train timetables. To my knowledge he did not however have sex with his sister and become a serial killer. The guy could be a bit overbearing but my God Peace must have really had a tough time in music lessons.

EDIT - Oh and on topic, being nonreligious in the whole country, but especially that area and working class, is overwhelmingly normal. Religiosity in the UK is not like the US - it peaks among the upper middle classes. The blue collar types largely consider it a bit effeminate and snooty.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
16. It's just so hard for me to imagine that...
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 11:15 AM
Apr 2012
being nonreligious in the whole country...is overwhelmingly normal


Even when I was younger and we weren't too terribly religious, we were terribly religious...

I now work for a company that employs more than 3000 people, about 700 of them at my physical location but rarely more than 300 or 400 in the building at one time and I think my company goes to heroic lengths to not be seen as endorsing any particular flavor of religion and yet I am bombarded constantly with religious iconography and sentiment and it is overwhelmingly christian. The head of HR graduated from a Christian University and used to work for some large religious organization however one of his directors is a pagan pantheist. We have several muslim women who regularly wear the traditional head coverings and they work right along with Jews and Hindus. Being in IT I get around and see a LOT of prayer cards and bible verses and other things pasted to monitors and used as screen savers and filling up cubicles...

and I'm not saying they don't all have a right to believe whatever thing they want but it's pretty hard for me not to comment on some of it. I don't think I would face retribution form the company for being atheist but I damn sure would face friction from co-workers if I let it become as much a part of my everyday life as they make their religions a part of theirs.

lol, I am bathed in the blood of the lamb whether I wanted a bath or not.

onager

(9,356 posts)
17. Thanks! That was some interesting info.
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 11:14 PM
Apr 2012


Here in the US, in most TV series, it's almost a given that any character expressing religious doubts will be on the road to redemption by the end of the show.

Then we've had a couple of series that were blatant in-our-face Xian BS - Touched By An Anus...er, "Angel." And Highway To Heaven. Naturally both of those turkeys ran forever and are still playing in re-runs somewhere, I think.

And that's not counting stuff like EWTN (a whole channel run by the Catholic Church), plus the channels owned/dominated by Pat Robertson, the Crouch family, the gay-bashing Coral Gables Baptist Church, Rick Warren, and on and on.

As you may have seen, our TVs recently lost Rev. Bob Schuller's "Hour of Power." Which happily wasn't powerful enough to defeat bankruptcy. But that only happened after years of looting the treasury by cramming the executive board with relatives, and stiffing suppliers.
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