Chris Hayes is talking to sanders about his health care plan now.

[riversedge]

Sanders said his Universal health plan was vision and certainly would not take place on day one.

[riversedge]

1. Asking how paid for?? Asked Sanders if that is his vision for how

pay for this plan--by taxes.

[riversedge]

2. BOOM. it is a new tax

[myrna minx]

3. It also eliminates insurance premiums, thus saving thousands of dollars per household.

[riversedge]

5. Lots of folks are going to be extrememly disappointed when

and if by some chance Sanders gets into the WH and tries to pass his vision!!

[myrna minx]

7. Never try.

[Fawke Em]

37. They're going to be upset saving $5,000 a year,

getting to go to a doctor when they need to and not having to fork their money over to private insurance companies?



I don't think so.

[Punkingal]

11. What don't you understand about not having to pay high premiums?

Call it a "tax" to make it scary, and leave out that health care costs will go way down.

[winter is coming]

12. +1. It's the sort of talking point I'd expect from a Republican. n/t

[morningfog]

24. Or a Hillary supporter in the primary.

[elleng]

15. Right.

[uponit7771]

28. I don't believe the "new premium" will be that much lower... 25 for single (what I pay now) ...

... and 75 - 100 for a family of 5 would be low.

Replacing one 350 dollar payment for another 300 dollar payment through employer isn't right.

The employee would take the burden and the business's would be off the hook

I would like to hear more of this vision

[Punkingal]

30. I doubt if you want to hear more.

[uponit7771]

32. I do, if his proposal is doable by a substantial amount that can get past a

... historically gerrymandered GOP congress then I'm all ears.

that's reasonable

[Fawke Em]

38. A. A payroll tax by definition includes employers (like Medicare does not)

and B. It wouldn't be that much. Estimates are we pay 15 percent of our earnings now for health insurance. The tax would be about 2 to 5 percent, saving people 10 to 13 percent of their income.

[in_cog_ni_to]

13. It's going to be a hell of a lot less than insurance premiums cost.

That's a guarantee!


Go ahead and raise our family's taxes $300-$400 a month! We'll save $500-$600 a month! Please! Raise our taxes for Medicare for All. Please, please, please.

ACA healthcare insurance costs us just as much as it did before the ACA. $900 a month for 3 policies.

It's all going to take time to overhaul our HORRENDOUS healthcare system. It took, what? Five years to get the ACA set up and implemented? Medicare for all shouldn't take that long because the Medicare system is already in place. They just have to add every single citizen to it, change hospital systems, doctor systems, get rid of the damn insurance companies and get drug prices lowered and regulated...and a lot of inner workings changed, but it will be worth it. And we deserve it!
It will be worth the wait.

It will be a LOT less per month than paying insurance CEO salaries is.

Every other major country on this planet has Universal Healthcare for their citizens. I think the Wealthiest Country on the planet can too.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[Luminous Animal]

22. My husband and I, being near 60, pay $1780.00 a month. For barebones Kaiser.

It's killing us.

[in_cog_ni_to]

33. The ACA

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is nothing like I thought it would be. Insurance is still ridiculously expensive and policies are overly complicated.

IMO, the ACA SUCKS.

It's complicated. Expensive. No better, if not worse than previous insurance system. Both my plan and my son's plan are "THREE TIER" PLANS - so idiotic and unnecessary. Preferred Participating Provider (pays the most), Participating Provider (pays less) and non Participating Provider (pays nothing)...stupid and ridiculous policies.

And having to choose new policies every damn year is a PIMA. Our last policies were "discontinued" by our insurance company so I had to redo everything on 2 policies on the insurance company's web site. I hate it...absolutely HATE IT.

Doctors hate the ACA too, at least my husband's doctors do.

While it's great that preexisting illness is now covered, women's health screenings are covered and preventative healthcare is covered, there has to be a better way. Bernie has the better way! SINGLE-PAYER.

Your $1780 and our $900 a month - IS NOT BETTER than we had before. It's ridiculous that health insurance costs people more per month than nearly all other bills COMBINED! It's WRONG. JUST WRONG.

[cali]

14. Hillary dems: taxes BAD. Gosh, sounds familiar..

[sabrina 1]

17. Do you understand what the difference is between a National Health Care system which every other

developed country has had for decades, and the kind we have, a Private Insurance system, monetarily?

Let me explain!

People who live in civilized nations pay a tax, similar to the SS tax, which is nowhere NEAR as big a pay out as we have to pay, which covers their HC needs without any deductibles or huge premiums.

The tax they pay to get that coverage, is nowhere near as big as the Premium payments Americans have to make in order to get coverage. And that isn't the end of what we have to pay. We also have deductibles which can run into the thousands, meaning that many Americans despite paying large premiums to Private Corps, cannot USE their coverage because they can't afford the deductibles.

So let's see. A small tax for full coverage, no deductibles V large premiums and depending on how large, thousands more in deductibles if they should need to USE what they are paying for?

I'll take that small tax thank you!

[Agschmid]

20. Will we have a national health system? Or state by state?

If it's state by state will states be required to have the same types of programs? Have the same benefits? The same turnaround times? Etc?

Still a lot of questions to be answered here.

[sabrina 1]

34. We NEED a National HC system. And the way to get it is to fight for it. A majority of

Americans want this. Up to now, what Americans WANT has been irrelevant to those who continually ask for our votes.

Now we have someone who respects the people.

And more important, candidates who have similar policies are emerging and running for Congress.

Bernie Sanders has more or less done what so many cynics, out of touch with the people, told us could not happen. He has in just a few months, become the Dem Front Runner for all intents and purposes.

That happened because the people finally found someone who is fighting and has all his life, for THEM.

When the people unite the way are to elect Sanders, they can achieve anything they want.

So, as a Bernie supporter I am also paying attention to and supporting the Congressional Candidates whose polices are in line with his and so is everyone I know.

It's about time the people got what THEY want, not the watered down crumbs those financed by Wall St and BigCorps throw at us and tell us we are 'naive' and 'unrealistic' etc.

No, we WERE all of that when we continued to go along with it

[Fawke Em]

39. The states manage Medicare/Medicaid now.

Ergo, the mechanism is already in place.

[Agschmid]

45. The states manage Medicaid not sure about Medicare.

I still question if states could "opt-out" of certain procedures?

[riversedge]

4. Sanders is good at diagnosing problems still really has little specifics

on how paid for--except to say less premiums.

[LeatherSofa]

19. In the example he used

On Medicare under ACA, I pay only $104/mo premium, so $1236/yr. Yet Sanders described an example of someone currently paying $14000/yr premium and replacing that premium with $7000 in new taxes. So he didn't provide an example of a Medicare age senior.

If Sanders' plan saves me $1236/yr premium and replaces the premium with several thousand dollars in new taxes, that is not going to please me at all.

[HerbChestnut]

25. He was talking about a hypothetical employer.

Employers typically spend much more on health insurance than individuals.

[riversedge]

6. Howard Dean coming up next

[riversedge]

8. A visionary man VS a pragmatic women who gets things done! this is how Dean

characterized the Dem race.

[Fawke Em]

40. In this case, "pragmatic" means a woman who is owned by the insurance and Big Pharma companies.

[one_voice]

9. I wasn't able to watch..

is his new plan an expansion of Medicare? Or is it a 'real' single payer? One that includes prescription coverage and includes the elderly?

on edit: anything on including dental?

[litlbilly]

10. Bernie has always said dental should be part of overall healthcare, im sure it will be

[elleng]

16. Didn't go into those details,

did refer to a Bill he filed/submitted in 2013 for 'single-payer,' so the answer is SOMEwhere!

[catnhatnh]

31. I read the bill

Workers under 200K pay 2.2%
Employers continue to pay 6.7%
Transaction tax of .02% on securities...

[Fawke Em]

41. Senate Bill 1782

https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/senate-bill/1782/text

If people really don't know about this or how to find it, they've either had their heads in the sand or are Hillary supporters.

[artislife]

29. Dental and vision would be great...afterall they are parts of the body!! nt

[LiberalArkie]

18. Probably the same way I pay for my medicare I am on. I pay about $320 a month out of my

social security for it.

And if everyone is on it, those of us on SS might have to pay a lot less with more younger people in it.

[LeatherSofa]

21. What if?

What if the Sanders plan eliminates your $320/mo medicare premium, but replaces it with $7000 in additional taxes per year?

[LiberalArkie]

23. That would leave me about $5,000 so I guess I would have to kill myself to come out of it.

[HerbChestnut]

26. Please refer to my response to your post above.

The $7000 number is ridiculous.

[LeatherSofa]

27. Okay. Thx. n/m

[Fawke Em]

42. But it won't.

[Yavin4]

35. If Bernie could not convince the Senate to pass a public option to the ACA...

how will he be able to get that same Senate to pass Single Payer health care?

[uponit7771]

36. +1, I've never thought Sanders was the leader he's chided others for not being. VT couldn't get sing

... Payer going!!

VT!!!

[Art_from_Ark]

44. Bernie is a US Senator

He's not the governor of Vermont. He's not involved with the Vermont state government. He represents Vermont in the US Senate.

[uponit7771]

46. He could be dog catcher, this is America... Most of the top leaders from the founding weren't people

... in grand station.

Him being a senator gives him a big advantage so I don't see how stating that current position in the government counters the position that he's never been the person who he has chided other for not being.

He couldn't get single payer in VT!! His home state...

There's no way I think he has the leadership to get it done in the historically gerrymandered GOP congress who'll set out day one to make sure that the country will dissolve before Sanders succeeded.

[Art_from_Ark]

43. In 2008, Bernie was a relatively new Senator

Max Baucus was controlling the ACA hearings, and he wouldn't even let single-payer advocates speak at his hearings. He even had single-payer advocates arrested.

http://www.singlepayeraction.org/2009/06/24/senator-conrad-absolute-mistake-to-ban-single-payer/

But now Baucus is gone. As are a lot of Senators who were in office back then. And Bernie would be in a far more powerful position as President, and one can assume, there were be many new Democratic Senators who would ride in on his coattails. Plus millions of supporters who Bernie is encouraging to make their voices heard.