From "Feel The Bern" to "Hill Yes".

[Dawson Leery]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/1/13/1469263/-Losing-Bernie-My-Journey-from-FeelTheBern-to-HillYes

"See that kid in the red shirt and baseball cap in the bottom right? That’s me. My name is Anthony. I’m 21 years old. I’m a college student. I’m a committed progressive. I donated to Bernie Sanders. In many ways, I’m the average Bernie Sanders supporter...except that I’m caucusing for Hillary Clinton.

This isn’t a great picture of me. I look...angry, almost. I think this image captured the peak moment I felt the Bern. It’s been downhill since then.

I’ve known about Bernie Sanders longer than most. In my nascent political life, I went on a pursuit of finding progressive politicians to read about, he was one of the first to come up. His voting record, what he said, where he came from...he was like an older version of me. It was only natural I supported him when he announced his presidential campaign, I immediately donated. I bought a bumper sticker. And I went to his speech in my hometown of Portland, Maine. I changed my Facebook profile pic to a Bernie logo. This was summer."

[winter is coming]

1. This reads like a letter to Penthouse. n/t

[GoneOffShore]

4. Well, there is a key for every lock.

[delrem]

5. It's better than the usual DU fare. Amusing.

[beam me up scottie]

6. Don't knock fantasies.

[JTFrog]

85. I hear H.A. Goodman has the best fantasies. n/t

[beam me up scottie]

90. Well I'll have to take your word for that.

Apparently you know far more about his fantasies than I since I don't follow him.

[bvf]

9. Dear Editors,

I never thought I'd be writing to you, but...

[kath]

71. bwah!!

[whatchamacallit]

33. Lol! n/t

[HassleCat]

2. Is this sincere?

The article reads like a list of Clinton talking points. This does not ring true as an account of someone who was attracted to Sanders as a progressive, then migrated to Clinton as a realist. It reads more like the account of someone who was initially aligned with Clinton, and became temporarily intrigued by Sanders.

[Juicy_Bellows]

8. Anyone that is that fervent to be that close to Sanders going wild to shift gears and go HRC

lacks conviction - in a big way. If it is true, well dude doesn't know himself yet, at 21 I guess that is fair - maybe tomorrow he'll switch back again since he clearly doesn't know who he is yet.

[beam me up scottie]

11. Lmao! Did you read the comments?

The kossacks aren't stupid enough to buy that newbie's act either. He collected every single stale meme and repackaged them as a conversion letter that reads like a Chik tract.

[winter is coming]

13. I'm waiting for some Kossack to show up and identify themselves as the guy in the picture

and not the newbie.

[beam me up scottie]

15. Do you think it's a poe?

If it is he's a genius, the Hillary supporters are eating it up over there.

[winter is coming]

17. poe? n/t

[beam me up scottie]

22. From urban dictionary:

Poe

A person who writes a parody of a Fundamentalist that is mistaken for the real thing. Due to Poe's Law, it is almost impossible to tell if a person is a Poe unless they admit to it.

[winter is coming]

23. Ah, thanks. n/t

[roguevalley]

48. I half expected to hear Barry WHite playing in the background

It was a May to December romance ...

Thar's some mighty find fanfic in that little screed.

[winter is coming]

49. LOL! n/t

[beam me up scottie]

53. Or some Rod Stewart:

[artislife]

59. I think I am shipping them now! LOL! nt

[winter is coming]

67. I know who to blame if an RPF fic shows up on AO3.

[Betty Karlson]

83. It reads like 40% of Clinton twitter followers: not a real person, but a bought and paid for faker.

n/t

[chervilant]

3. Yawn...

Posting a random blogger's political pablum to encourage rejecting Bernie to support HRC?



So thankful for the "trash thread" option...

[Number23]

10. The HELL he says!!

As time went on, the vitriol spewed by those on reddit and other sites towards anyone who didn’t support Bernie grew worse. It was inconceivable to them that someone with all the information on both candidates would still support Hillary. I began feeling like the Bernie Sanders campaign had left me behind. Anything that didn’t totally preach the gospel of Bernie, that was perhaps not entirely positive, that perhaps treated him like a person running for president instead of the person ordained by God to save America, was decried, the people behind it vilified.

Worse still, I saw white people telling people of color how to vote. “How can Hillary be leading so much among African Americans? Don’t they know Bernie’s policies are better for them?” I don’t know, isn’t it up to them to decide whose policies benefit them the most? Maybe they might have some trouble trusting an old white man from New England?

...All the while, the vitriol from Sanders supporters has only grown. Insinuating that Gabby Giffords’ brain injuries are what made her endorse Hillary, throwing John Lewis and Planned Parenthood under the bus, insinuating that the only reason why anyone endorses Hillary is fear of retribution, insulting Sybrina Fulton, the grieving mother of Trayvon Martin, for having the gall to endorse the candidate with the better gun control record. It seems to have permeated parts of the campaign, too: little digs from the candidate and the campaign (the most recent one is referring to Hillary as ‘The Anointed One,’ which is a level of condescension and haughtiness I expect from Trump) from a candidate who still purports to ‘never attack’.

LIAR Clearly none of this ever happened. He's obviously a paid Clinton operative.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

12. This LIAR thing is spreading even faster than I thought it would.

Welcome aboard.

Of course, it would be ironic if you said one thing and meant another on a day when Hillary Clinton is taking heavy damage for lying.

[Number23]

14. I'm sure that was important and incredibly clever in your head.

There is NOTHING that ANYONE can type on this board that doesn't illicit a year's worth of shrieks from you guys. Definitely the actions of a group of people happy and confident in their choice of candidate.

And not only was your post completely unnecessary, the fact that it does nothing but corroborate the point of this OP and the other 400 articles written about Sanders supporters just makes it even more ironic and delicious.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

18. If you're not going to address the veracity of your "claim", I'll catalog the untruth and move along

If you have anything of use to say, please do so now; things are kind of busy.

[Number23]

21. I didn't make a claim. I posted what I wanted to the OP and got you in response as has happened

quite a bit lately for reasons that can only be explained as I am the luckiest girl on DU. Truly.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

25. You did make a claim; I really don't need to evaluate that any further.

Your claim wasn't true. I knew it wasn't when you made it, so I chalked it up to standard insincerity (theme of the day), but opted to mention it anyway. I'm glad I did.

[Number23]

26. You believe whatever you need to believe. Bless your heart

[DisgustipatedinCA]

27. Blessings aside, I'll do just that.

[Number23]

28. Nothing would make me happier. Truly.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

30. Nothing would make you happier than for me to believe what I want to believe? I have GREAT news.

You'll be blissed out the rest of your life, because I intend to keep believing what I want to believe, just like always.

[Number23]

31. Nothing would make me happier than you finding something else to do right now.

and stop chasing after me with this big pile of nothing and "arguing for the sheer hell of it, over absolutely nothing and couldn't care less how it makes me look" like you're doing in this thread.

Nothing.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

34. I never promised to stop speaking to you, sorry.

What you call "chasing" is what people who aren't sending jury alerts call "discussing".

[Number23]

35. You aren't discussing anything. 99% of your "participation" on this board is arguing over absolutely

nothing.

I posted a comment to the OP which you decided was me making some claim which I told you I didn't do. And yet, here we are 5, 6 posts later with you still posting to me even though it beyond clear you have absolutely NOTHING to say, no point to make and just want to argue for no reason whatsoever. And the fact that you have recently targeted all of this attention on me is flattering surely, but completely unwanted.

If you call this "discussion" then it explains absolutely everything about your participation on this board.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

36. It sounds like the Ignore button is your only remedy.

I'm not changing to please you; you have a problem with me. I see solutions.

[Number23]

38. I've been here 8 years and have never had a problem ignoring anyone and you can be sure

that includes you.

Pretty clear that your self-restraint is the issue here.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

39. I've been here 15 years. Don't like ignore? Don't use it. I don't really care one way or another.

But I'm not changing for you; hopefully you do understand that part.

[Number23]

40. I don't use ignore either. I am perfectly capable of ignoring people whose posts I have no interest

in. Hence, why you will probably never find a single time where I have initiated a conversation with you.

And of course, this entire beyond pointless conversation all stems from you seeing my moniker and feeling the need to engage even when it's clear that whatever "point" you had to make doesn't exist and never did. Like I said, definitely the actions of people who are confident and happy in their choices, both in candidates and in life.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

42. Well then, I'm heartened to hear that you're interested in my posts.

[Number23]

43. Wrong. So terribly wrong. Yet again.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

44. And yet, you just said you have no problem ignoring posts that don't interest you.

So my posts DO interest you. Or you're...you know....fibbing. So sorry, #23, but you don't get to have it both way. Bye.

[Number23]

45. I said I have no problem ignoring PEOPLE that don't interest me and said that's why you'd never

find a single "conversation" between the two of us that I initiated.

I'm sorry if that hurts your feelings. But it's the God's honest truth. Of that you can rest assured.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

50. It's ok...you're not capable of hurting my feelings. You've made me angry in the past, true...

...but I don't permit people like you to hurt my feelings, so please do not feel the need to apologize to me. I suspect that apology was also insincere (notice a trend? I do), but in case it was not, please don't bother.

[Number23]

52. If you stopped bothering me, I wouldn't have to make you angry, sad, happy or glad

And I thought you said "bye" a few posts ago?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

54. I had hoped that you'd eventually come up with the wife beater's excuse.

You did the same thing the other day when you were trying to push that Palin garbage, and I thought you might do it again. You're apparently all grown up; as such, you are responsible for your words and for your actions.

[Number23]

60. Nothing in your posts make any sense, has anything to do with this thread or is even remotely

interesting. I wish you would put me on ignore and spare us both your endless outrage, chest thumping and hollering about nothing. Particularly as it's apparent that you don't know how to "quit" me even after clearly saying "goodbye."

[DisgustipatedinCA]

62. Now that we have the mutual ignore suggestions out of the way, what should we talk about?

[Number23]

63. LOL Claim your "victory," dear. I know how important this is for you.

Yeah, this is making you look absolutely SPECTACULAR and nothing like your user name. Each post adds to the shimmering nobility of your participation in this thread. But considering I take great pride in having absolutely nothing in common with you I'm afraid we've got nothing to talk about.

I'm sure I'll see you in 14 fighting matches in a single thread over absolutely nothing with other posters soon enough. And, as I do every time I see your name in a thread, I'll either laugh out loud or skip over your posts entirely. And it is so INCREDIBLY telling that you are incapable of doing the same and seem to actually be proud of that fact. Certainly explains the endless need to swagger and chest thump around here. It's beyond sad and embarrassing, not that I'd expect you to realize that.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

64. Keep it clean and in the lines, and you won't likely hear TOO much from me. Have a good evening now.

[Number23]

66. LOL, when I feel the need to run my posts by you, when I need your permission to post

here, you'll be the FIRST to know.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

68. And you'll be among the first to know when I disagree with you

I do believe protocol is all fixed up now. Help me pick out the bunting and the napkins, and we should be about ready to go.

[Number23]

69. Why do you think I care about your opinion or if you disagree with me?

All of your fake ass "goodbyes" and "have a good nights" as though you are actually leaving aside, what in the world makes you think that I care about your opinion?

What makes you COMPELLED to speak to me and to "let me know" if/when you disagree with me? Who exactly do you think that you are to me?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

70. It sounds like I'm doing what Sid always suggests, but I'm really not certain.

I think we both just have a hard time saying goodbye. Who I am matters to me. Who I am to you does not.

[Number23]

72. I never said bye. You have twice now and are still here babbling away

Sid is someone I like and even he does nothing more than post his :lol: smiley half the time and that sends certain folks here in a flat out rage which is precisely whey he does it.

I have never ONCE in my entire time on this web site seen somebody tell Sid to leave them alone, to stop chasing after them and he flat out refuse to do so. Sid may annoy the shit out of people here because he laughs in their faces -- and usually for damn good reason -- but he is not PSYCHOTIC which is the only word I can think of to describe people who are asked to leave someone alone and refuse.

This is the difference between the decent folks here and others. I see stuff every single day that I disagree with. But I am not so goddamned ENTITLED to chase after posters here and believe that I have the right to force my thoughts and opinions on people simply because they disagree with me. And I sure as shit would stop if someone asked me to. So you ain't nothing like Sid. Sid is a decent guy. I have never seen Sid stoop to this type of needless and idiotic behavior and I know he'd know better than to think he was doing the right thing or "fighting the good fight" if he did.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

75. Weird. When I signed up, they let me know I was ENTITLED to post words and stuff.

You should check and see if you don't have that same deal. By the way, you haven't asked me to leave you alone or to "stop chasing you". You were too concerned with couching your terms as if you were a psycholohist of some sort, so you talked in clinical terms about the maladies you perceive I have. I see, by the way, that I've progressed to psychosis in your latest post. We've got ourselves the honest to goodness second incarnation of Bill First, right here at DU.

Now, let's see. You've told me I'm unbalanced, you've told me I'm psychotic. You've condescended to call me "dear". Have I done the same? Have I called you names? Have I told you you're abnormal? I have not. Yet still, you've attempted to become the victim a few times in our exchange, first, when you spoke of me "making you" do and say things beyond your control. And in more recent posts, you're setting yourself up as the victim of some sort of stalking. Last I heard, stalking doesn't happen out in the open in a single thread, in one giant indent.

But you ducked the bunting issue, and we really need to decide whether we're doing standard red, white, and blue, or if we're going to do something different and bold.

[JustAnotherGen]

76. I love Sid Dithers

Was this about wat you posted - or a chance to bring him up by that poster? That's awesome if it was a chance to bring up Sid. Sid laughs I don't have to!

[DisgustipatedinCA]

86. I love Sid too. We've even corresponded a little recently.

Upon more careful parsing of the thread, you'll see that I brought Sid into the conversation. I'll be looking forward to seeing him here again soon.

[Number23]

94. Sid is awesome. And he has more friends here than detractors

Which is not something alot of folks here can say.

As anyone reading this thread can see, this bewilderingly dumb subthread has nothing to do with my first post within it. A few days ago that poster was part of a pile on where six, yes SIX, posters -- all of them Sanders supporters -- jumped down my ass because I asked someone who demanded a poster with an 'African Americans for Hillary' and a pro-Third Way sic in their sig line leave DU because of their Third Way support if that was his call to make.

That was it. Someone demanded that someone leave DU because of a Third Way pic in their sig line, I said VERBATIM "think that's your call to make?" and had SIX PEOPLE jumping down my ass as a result. JAG, I felt so special! By the time it was all said and done, I'd embarrassed them almost half as much as they'd embarrassed themselves. This exchange was so obviously a chance for this person to finally get his REVENGEEEEE!! and the last word that means so much. And if he has to argue and puff out that chest over absolutely, positively nothing in the process, it's pretty clear that's 100% okay.

To paraphrase Lloyd Benson: I know Sid. Sid is a friend of mine. You sir, are no Sid.

[JustAnotherGen]

97. Oh my!

I missed that. So they only want us here if we support Sanders?

That's not very Democratic. Eh? FDR gave us a craptastic housing policy and I know a lot of folks want to go back to FDR. Maybe they think we are bringing down their property (DU being said home) values?

[Number23]

105. I don't think there's much thought into it

beyond "must harass/destroy anyone who doesn't agree with me." Look at them in GDP. The same 20 or so folks are in every thread starting 40 shouting matches over Fuck All, chasing posters up and down this board and then demanding that the folks being chased are the ones that should put the harasses on ignore. Moronic.

Bigtree has been getting it particularly bad lately. All of the "concern" about his "health" from people chasing him around and treating him like shit is so endearing. If only half as much energy went into doing something positive for their candidate as it does haunting the steps of folks that want nothing to do with them there'd probably be a hell of alot less acrimony around here.

[randys1]

88. What is that, a threat? If Number23 says something you dont like you will do what?

Oh, I see, you will RESPOND

sigh

I guess that is what this board is for...sigh

[DisgustipatedinCA]

91. Asked and answered, all in your own post. Have a great day.

[Number23]

95. It's like if you go to a bar. It's a public space right? So some people think that makes them

ENTITLED to hit on all the girls, keep changing the jukebox, and stand outside the bathroom making comments to everyone going in.

Even when the ladies ask them to leave them alone, that since of ENTITLEMENT keeps them from being able to do so. In their head, it's a public space so they should be free to do whatever the hell they want, seemingly oblivious that others also have rights and that includes asking people who's opinion you don't care about or who's attention is unwanted to buzz off and that a decent person would do just that. You'd just do it. Why would anyone chase after someone who doesn't like you and has asked you to stop?

This is exactly the type of behavior that has gotten certain folks an absolutely phenomenal online reputation. And judging by the endless articles, there is alot of this behavior out there on the Internet and if the folks doing this garbage think it's a silencing tactic, they could not have gotten that more wrong.

[Warren DeMontague]

98. Oh, Jesus, not this nonsense again.

It's a public discussion board, by posting on a public discussion board (in the main forums, no less) that means that other members of the public respond to you.

It doesn't mean your posts come with a special list of who is "allowed" to respond to you, or not. And you bet your bippy Mr. Sid Dithers (among others) doesn't keep a crumpled up list in his pocket of who on DU has politely requested he not talk to, or not, either.

It's funny you want to talk about "silencing tactics", because "you're not allowed to respond to my posts, person I don't like!" is a silencing tactic.

And it's ironic, because the software comes with a GREAT way to not have to hear from people you don't want to- the ignore button.



Yes, now go ahead and get massively indignant because I responded to your public post publicly without your express permission. I'll wait.

[randys1]

104. My friend tells me about the entitled attitude white folks to lecture her, a Black folk, and a Gay

folk, what she should or should not do in life and in general.

Having nothing to do with Bernie, but just in general, white folks doing that.

[Number23]

106. When was the last time you saw a black or Asian Sanders supporter here

basically tell someone "You've asked me to leave you alone repeatedly but I'm not going to because you need to know that I disagree with you?"

Seriously? When was the last time???????????? It has NOTHING to do with Sanders.

[randys1]

108. Sanders is just the excuse being used, the hammer to beat you over the head with.

It is privileged behavour

[Number23]

109. That's never been in question. And the only folks that don't seem to understand that are the folks

engaging in the behavior.

[randys1]

110. WAtch this until midway thru

http://www.cc.com/full-episodes/3e0n6x/the-nightly-show-with-larry-wilmore-january-13--2016---barack-obama-s-final-state-of-the-union-season-2-ep-02047

The Black Oscar snubs

[Number23]

111. I tried to watch it but I can't!

Says it's not available in my area.

[randys1]

112. I guess the oscar noms came out this week, No Black folk

[Number23]

113. Can you do an OP about this in AA??

Please?

[randys1]

115. done

http://www.democraticunderground.com/118736390

[lovemydog]

122. Sorry you missed the sarcasm in the above post.

Or, that you decided to call the above poster a liar. I've seen a ton of it. Telling black people how to vote. Telling white people how to vote. Hostility and paranoia toward anyone who speaks their truth, or disagrees in a respectful manner or even asks questions to try and learn more by asking questions. I like a lot of things about Sanders. But I too am disturbed by much of what the author of the Daily Kos poster describes. I've witnessed it. Much more from self-proclaimed Sanders supporters than from undecideds or self-proclaimed Hillary or Martin supporters. Calling the above poster a liar for expressing an opinion based on experience.

The replies often seem to come in two forms. Claim the person who says how they feel about it is a shill or paid operative. Or mock and ridicule them for having sensitivities to this type of patronizing bullying. I don't like it one bit. I will continue speaking out about to the extent that I can even stand reading any of these pile-on threads. The smugness and self-righteousness is actually causing me to have real hesitation of voting for Sanders. Some have said 'Well, then you must never have been a real Sanders supporter in the first place.' That's bullshit. It's also a creepy form of cult-like behavior. Denying it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I also find the denial alone to be patronizing. It's like saying 'I don't believe your feelings because you aren't telling me what I want to hear.' That type of response is incredibly demeaning and insulting.

I won't round up links to all the boorish behavior. It's been evident to me for approximately six months. It never seems to subside. I find it really hateful and pitiful. And yes, I think it does reflect on Sanders. Unless most of these rude people who can't seem to treat other people as human beings with legitimate feelings is some paid troll trying to make the Sanders campaign look bad.

I'd like to vote for Sanders. I've been a democratic socialist since before joining this board, before it became fashionable here. All this hostility toward other posters bothers me. Denying that it exists doesn't mean it doesn't exist. This thread alone provides many examples of it. It's a reason I don't post much in this group. I don't appreciate getting crap for calling out racist behavior.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

123. EDITED: My post survived 7-0. The alerter did not tell the truth.

You're mischaracterizing my post. I did not talk race with the other poster. I DID NOT call the other poster a liar. The other poster has jsut posted that I did not call her a liar.

You scolded me about this, and several minutes later I received notice from someone that I had survived a jury 7-0.

Are you able to respond in this thread to tell me you now understand your mistaken accusation, or are you programmatically prevented from posting further in this thread by board software?

[Number23]

127. Posts like this are one of the 238 reasons that I love you

And to whoever alerted on that post it was clear that alert was based on a misinterpretation of what that poster had written. But considering the usual tenor and tone from that poster, it's not hard to understand why anyone would have thought he was calling me or someone else here a liar.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

129. Accuracy is important. Thanks for pointing it out.

[Number23]

130. And I hope that you will join me in ignoring the laughable attempt to goad

you. You have made your point perfectly and called out the "patronizing bullying" along with many, MANY others here and yet some seem to do nothing but keep illustrating exactly what you're talking about. Almost as if they can't help themselves.

I guess we should take comfort that no one demanded that you pull out your wallet for some idiotic "wager" or to go outside and duel with pistols. Yet. Don't take the bait. Your post was incredibly insightful and you have made your point beautifully as is ABUNDANTLY clear in the responses to it.

[lovemydog]

131. Thanks Number23.

Yes, I try and ignore hostility. I'll continue expressing my feelings & observations too.

I'm heading out to a concert, soprano & violin. Music refreshes the soul! Hope you enjoy a wonderful evening.

[nashville_brook]

124. RESULTS OF JURY 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

On Thu Jan 14, 2016, 07:12 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

This LIAR thing is spreading even faster than I thought it would.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1004864

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Calling a well-respected poster a liar for expressing a legitimate feeling that she has experienced racism is disruptive, hurtful and inappropriate.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Jan 14, 2016, 07:23 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: ridiculous alert. as per the current norm
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: sounds like the veracity of the author that the OP cites is at question, rather than the DUer.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Looks like the Clinton Cavers are trying to protect one another tonight. Give the alerts a rest.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

126. Thanks. And thank you jury. For the record, I DID NOT call the other poster a liar.

The other poster called the Daily Kos article writer a liar. I responded to that. It's all just above for everyone to see.

But thank you for seeing the bogus nature of the alert. The alerter DID NOT tell the truth.

[nashville_brook]

132. it would be easy for a Jury person to quickly read that, not read the OP for context

and vote to hide, so i was amazed and pleased this went 0-7 to LEAVE IT. means people are paying attention.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

133. Thanks, nashville_brook. I'm glad juries are looking carefully at alerts. nt

[ucrdem]

16. Yep. And that's just one summer.

Sanders has been running this con for nearly 25 years.

[MeNMyVolt]

19. +1

[Number23]

20. I don't think he's a con. I just think he's got some of the most absurd supporters this side of

Rand Paul.

Who believe that endlessly screaming, belittling, insulting (and did I mention screaming?) constitutes "support" and who appear to be shocked and mystified that the people on the receiving end of this treatment want absolutely nothing to do with them

[DisgustipatedinCA]

24. Sanders is a con? Sorry, but my candidate isn't the confirmed liar.

Any of us can document lots of lies that Hillary Clinton has told.
You CANNOT document a single lie Sanders has told.

It's not my responsibility that you're backing who you're backing, but don't try to tar my candidate with her filth and lies.

[ucrdem]

29. Documented false statement by Sanders:

Letter from Bernard Sanders to USTR Michael Froman, Jan. 5, 2015:



Full text: http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/sandersustrletter.pdf

You can call it whatever you like.


........................
Context: from HuffPost, Jan. 6, 2015:

USTR told HuffPost it had ramped up congressional outreach, and has held nearly 1,600 meetings on Capitol Hill over the trade pact. “Senator Sanders, like all Members of Congress, has full access to the draft TPP negotiating text and we look forward to working with him to review it," USTR spokesman Trevor Kincaid said. "Members of Congress, labor unions, non-profits, and environmentalists have all played an important role in shaping our approach to our trade policy. This includes Senator Sanders, whose input USTR has received on a dozen occasions on issues ranging from clean energy manufacturing to cheese."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/05/bernie-sanders-michael-froman-tpp_n_6419874.html

[DisgustipatedinCA]

32. That's a confirmed true statement. Creative speculation is over that-a-way --->

[neverforget]

41. You admitted in a thread about the TPP that Hillary is just saying she doesn't support

TPP to get through the primary and that she actually supports it and will "do the right thing". And you think Bernie is running a con?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251958460#post104

[ucrdem]

46. That's your interpretation of what I said. nt

[Dawson Leery]

58. Like the far right, they believe bashing their opponents

and screaming is a winning strategy. We should prove them wrong and send Bernie packing.

[Number23]

65. "they believe bashing their opponents and screaming is a winning strategy."

+ a million. And I can't tell if it's more embarrassing, sad or just plain idiotic. Actually I think it's all three in equal parts.

[randys1]

89. What we have learned from the OP article is the behavior you and I and others

have been subjected to is not unique to DU.

I had honestly hoped that it was.

[Number23]

96. I just said the same thing to you!! This behavior is FAR from unique, it's a plague all over the

Internet. And if anyone thinks that they are going to bully and harass people into no longer saying what they want out of fear that a half dozen mouth breathers will come crashing down on them, they could not have gotten that more wrong.

[BlueMTexpat]

103. Those paras struck me too.

Since I have witnessed - and occasionally myself received - the "vitriol" here on DU, I find a lot of what he says to be credible.

[Number23]

107. Me too. And downthread, DFW said that other Kossaks have verified that this guy is real

So we have a white millennial basically saying that he was an avid Sanders supporter and now he's not because of what he feels are the flimsiness of Sanders' policies and the far too frequent and far too often unhinged reactions of his supporters.

If this was one person, it'd only be kind of interesting. But the Internet is full of people saying that the reaction of some of Sanders' supporters are his greatest liability.

[BlueMTexpat]

114. Speaking only for myself,

I find that to be 100 percent the case. The anti-HRC mob mentality that I see here on DU is frightening and it's a MAJOR turn-off.

Of course, the moment I - or anyone else - remark about that, people jump on us and call us "condescending" at best or unprintable at worst (and I likely don't see even half of what is said to/about me because I now have so many posters on Ignore).

Then there is the immediate swarm of comments about how awful HRC's supporters are towards Bernie when that is simply NOT at all the case with the overwhelming majority of HRC supporters on this site.

Bernie's ideas are great. I wish that they could be implemented for us all, but his details on implementation are sketchy - to say the least. I love that he is a candidate and am proud that he is a Dem candidate. He is just not my candidate. Period.

[Number23]

116. Swarms of unprovoked, idiotic comments from people that could not make it more obvious they have

nothing even REMOTELY interesting or intelligent to say, no point to make whatsoever and only want to fight??! I have NO IDEA what you're talking about!1one!1

Bernie's ideas are great. I wish that they could be implemented for us all, but his details on implementation are sketchy - to say the least. I love that he is a candidate and am proud that he is a Dem candidate.

I feel the same.

[BlueMTexpat]

117. Loved that!

[bigtree]

47. didn't hear about the reaction to the Giffords endorsement

...if that happened, it's really sad.

This is a clear illustration of what it can be like on the other side of the candidate divide. Can't say I endorse all of what this person says, but it mirrors much of what the Sanders camp has complained about, in this case, from the opposite side.

I happen to think that O'Malley has the most detailed policy plans, but I also found many of the issue pages on Sanders' website awash in rhetoric and short on actual policy plans. I do understand that his congressional record has better specifics. Still...

[riversedge]

56. As Howard Dean said tonight--> Bernie is a visionary vs Hillary is a pragmatic doer, someone

gets things done.

TWEET:
Tweet:
@HillaryClinton-->Who to vote for via Howard Dean: A visionary man VS a pragmatic woman who gets things done! #ImwithHer @HillaryforIA #p2

[BlueMTexpat]

118. I too love a LOT of

what MOM has to say. My older son is a MOM supporter. MOM was my guv and he is a great candidate even though his poll standings are absolutely ridiculous, IMO.

[99Forever]

51. Cool story bro.

Bwahahaha.

Tell us another. Share more funny fantasies.

[riversedge]

55. this story reminds me of what Dean said tonight--Sanders has some policies without details

while Hillary has lots of thoughtful developed policies to help the middle class or

Tweet:
@HillaryClinton-->Who to vote for via Howard Dean: A visionary man VS a pragmatic woman who gets things done! #ImwithHer @HillaryforIA #p2

[Dawson Leery]

57. This time, we must try the candidate with experience.

[snoringvoter]

81. Correct. That would be... *drumrolls*

BERNIE!

[randys1]

92. Whoa a second, this time? I assume by that you dont mean picking Obama was a mistake?

I am not looking for a fight, trust me, I just want to confirm you dont mean that.

[brentspeak]

61. Propaganda hatched out of Hillary's PR headquarters

As believable as Big Foot.

[bigtree]

73. yep. once you feel the bern, you don't return

...or something like that.

[azmom]

74. LOL

[Puglover]

78. No kidding.

How original. "I supported Bernie. But then his supporters."

At least come up with some new lines.

[lunamagica]

77. K&R. Thank you for posting this, Dawson.

[Recursion]

79. The whole "governing by meme" thing is what turns me off about Sanders

Pretty much like this post said: "break up the banks" could be good or really really bad depending on what that actually means, and I'm not really interested in chest-thumping about it that doesn't have those specifics.

[seaglass]

80. I wonder how many read the well-researched Shakesville series that he mentioned, that at least,

was a very worthwhile read.

http://www.shakesville.com/2015/07/looking-for-bernie-part-1-sanders-72.html

http://www.shakesville.com/2015/07/looking-for-bernie-part-2-mr-sanders.html

http://www.shakesville.com/2015/07/looking-for-bernie-part-3-sanders-90.html

http://www.shakesville.com/2015/07/looking-for-bernie-part-4-turning-right.html

[BlueMTexpat]

119. Thanks for posting those links.

Bookmarking for later.

[Kentonio]

82. I wonder why Chelsea chose MAINEiac4434 as a username..

[DFW]

84. I read the article through, plus saw one hugely important comment

It didn't quite sound like the contrived stuff shills sometimes come up with, so I read the whole thing. It SOUNDED genuine, but I still couldn't quite convince myself, although it could just as easily have been me at 21. I started my senior year in college at that age, and could read and write, after all.

But then further down, a veteran Kossack had apparently taken the trouble to check out and vet the poster, and found him to be for real.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

93. That is an extraordinarily important piece of evidence. The poor guy is getting piled on here.

But then further down, a veteran Cossack had apparently taken the trouble to check out and vet the poster, and found him to be for real.

That is an extraordinarily important piece of evidence. The poor guy is getting piled on here. Could you please copy and paste it.



Thank you in advance.

[DFW]

100. It took some searching, as DK doesn't number their posts, but I found it

Nate Roberts Nate Roberts
Jan 13 · 09:30:13 PM

Scratch that—mahakali overdrive has assured me that the diarist is exactly who he claims to me. She says she has unassailable proof, and that’s good enough for me. She’s a renown sockpuppet and zombie catcher, and also firmly in the Bernie camp. (My apologies to Hatrax for misunderstanding his PM offer.)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

101. Thank you./nt

[DFW]

102. I have been burdened with more difficult tasks over the years.

No sweat!

[riversedge]

121. You deserve a treat.....

[DFW]

125. I don't deserve anything other than a ticket to Düsseldorf!

All I did was find a post on DK that was out there for anyone to read. I'm currently in Dallas recuperating from a knee operation. Believe me, I had the time!!

In the meantime, my wife had to return to Germany. She had been in the USA 89 days out of the last 180, and would have had to apply for a visa to stay with me during my recuperation. As it is, the idiots from CBP detained her when we landed in Atlanta on December 26th, because they saw she had spent more time in the USA than usual. They asked her what "work" she was planning to do while she was here. What oafs. Her passport was stamped with entries into the USA EVERY December 26th for the last 10 years, and she had her return ticket with her. She is 63!!! What "work" did they think she was gong to engage in, clandestine baby-sitting?

Anyway, she refused to beg the US authorities for any visa, and went home as planned, not overstaying her allotted time as a tourist. After all, we can't have Germans spending any more money into the US economy than can be helped, right?

So if you know a way to sneak her back over here to me without anyone noticing, I'd be happy to accept that. In absence of that, I was glad to go find the post--not exactly the most demanding of tasks. By the way--beware of offering baked goods to any man married to a German woman. You have a VERY high bar to compete with!

[riversedge]

120. Thank you so much for sharing that with us.

[DFW]

128. It was out there for everyone to see

You just had to wade through a ton of posts to find it. But it was posted by a trusted Sanders supporter on DK, and one who was apparently adept at rooting out phonies. Ergo, the post was apparently legit, and the good Sanders supporters on DK acknowledged it.

[Hiraeth]

87. GOOD FOR YOU

[Warren DeMontague]

99. "So right as I walked past the doorman to my Tribeca Condo, I looked at Mr. Woofles, my Bichon Frise

the soulful look in his eye seemed distinctly and uncharacteristically sad, despite the fact that he was wearing his favorite diamond-encrusted harness. I knew it was because he had been surfing the internet while I was at Oscar De La Renta, and he had read the many hurtful things said by Bernie Sanders supporters, the many pathologically racist, misogynist, bad bad things those bad bad people had said, because they are bad and pathologically bad and hurtful hateful terrible folk. Who drive volvos. At the same time, it hit me like a bolt of lightning; 'The middle class DO need a champion!' The simple, self-evident truth of that comprehensive and detailed policy proposal was suddenly impossible to ignore, any longer."

SO WHO'S WITH ME, FELLOW BERNIE SUPPORTERS?