2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders runs nasty attack ad targeting Hillary on Wall Street donations
Ominous music as a still of Hillary laughing with Lloyd Blankfein flashes on the screen. Voice says. "Hillary Clinton has solicited millions of dollars from Wall Street to fund her campaigns and enriched herself personally by millions, giving speeches to bailed out Wall Street firms. How can she claim to be tough on Wall Street when she owes them so much? Clip of Hillary from the Debate: "As Senator from New York, I represented Wall Street."
Oops no. He did no such thing. Lying by Camp Clinton in order to justify and ramp up the negative campaigning they're engaged in.
djean111
(14,255 posts)And something like that fictitious ad runs through my head any time I think of Hillary. Bernie doesn't need to tell me about that.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)What a pathetic example for future Democratic Women Candidates to follow.
Kick And Rec!
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)She's feeling the Bern
marble falls
(57,013 posts)"Hillary Clinton has solicited millions of dollars from Wall Street to fund her campaigns and enriched herself personally by millions, giving speeches to bailed out Wall Street firms. How can she claim to be tough on Wall Street when she owes them so much? Clip of Hillary from the Debate: "As Senator from New York, I represented Wall Street." is the truth.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Of course, The response would be an inevitable soft-focus montage of cops holding kittens, firefighters, and hedge fund managers with hats held over their hearts, set to "God Bless America".
Reminding everyone that ties to wall street are as american as apple pie because nineleven, also nineeleven and did we mention nineleleven.... after all who can forget the brave collateralized debt obligations and bundled subprime mortgages packaged as specialized investment offerings with deliberately opaque disclosure requirements, which selflessly ran back into those burning buildings to save lives on that fateful day?
Bernie sanders doesnt WANT to respect those collateralized debt obligations which put themselves in harm's way on nineeleven. Why does Bernie Sanders hate America?
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)Mbrow
(1,090 posts)Kitties!
Vattel
(9,289 posts)klook
(12,152 posts)Now watch for some shadowy group to produce this ad "on behalf of" the Sanders campaign.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)When is the last time you've listened to an 'attack ad'? Just look at the republican ads, now, and back in 2012, and in 2008 when Hillary went after Obama for hitting her on healthcare.
This is a contest, not for the faint of heart. Bernie has every right to point out real differences.
He said nothing personal, kept it on the issue of Wall Street, one of our biggest problems. We've been had, and I can't support anyone who ignores this issue. This is one of the biggest reasons I support Sanders.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)in Sanders. Campaign issues are fair game, regardless of how rough.
GoneOffShore
(17,337 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Squeal loudly about negative ads .
Gotta love how they keep telling us to stop being negative.
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paleotn
(17,884 posts)HRC's close ties Wall Street does have an impact on how she would govern and is a legitimate campaign issue.
Cary
(11,746 posts)They attack unions, successfully, because unions fund Democrats. They successfully lobbied the SOTUS for Citizens United. Their strategy is well documented.
I cannot blame Democrats for doing what they need to do. A former law partner of mine was a U.S. Senator. It takes an amazing amount of money. He didn't need their money and didn't want to spend his time helping them get more.
He lasted one term and was largely ineffective.
kracer20
(199 posts)I admit I had around a dozen or so of the Hillary supporters on ignore, just to make things a bit more peaceful around here, but it seems they have almost disappeared around here. What's up?
bread_and_roses
(6,335 posts)I wonder what HRC thinks she meant? She was the Senator from New York - she was SUPPOSED to represent the people of New York. It sounds obvious to say so but "Wall St." is not a citizen. "Wall St." is not a person.
LiberalArkie
(15,703 posts)the entire state of New York, not just the city of New York City, not just the borough of Manhattan, not just the area of Wall Street.
I guess she forgot.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Represent!
Yeah, that would be funny.
karynnj
(59,498 posts)The strange thing is that her campaign going crazy and CALLING what he did an attack ad does at least negative things:
1) Gives Bernie's ad - and even more the issue - tons of free coverage
2) It makes her look like she is whining -- yet wasn't one of the reasons to vote for her that she is really really tough and has dealt with attacks for decades.
3) The other thing is that, the only negativity that exists in Bernie's ad is what the viewer brings to it. Only if you agree that there was not enough regulations and that HRC is not proposing doing enough - is it even negative at all.
Indepatriot
(1,253 posts)Mbrow
(1,090 posts)Fox and friends at the Laundromat, If the HRC bots want to see attack BS just watch that shit.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)and he'll be ready with both barrels loaded. I hope he chews ger up and spits her out....in his polite, gentlemanly way, that is.
She deserves what's coming her way.
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
Cary
(11,746 posts)that she gets what you decided that she deserves.
That explains a lot.
MADem
(135,425 posts)And I say "incredible" because that really does take the cake when it comes to getting 'low' with regard to a Dem candidate.
But here's the accurate bit:
She deserves what's coming her way.
What's "coming her way" is nomination at the convention...!!! And yeah, she does deserve it!
Cary
(11,746 posts)In the meantime what's happening in the real world?
http://www.wsj.com/articles/has-the-government-made-it-too-expensive-to-be-a-big-bank-1452731317
Extremists on the left and right are so caught up in their rhetoric, and their incessant need to hang cherry picked factoids on their conclusions. Radicals need to put the glue away and take in the bigger picture and the longer run.
The powers that brought us this mess do just that. They are working a plan made 50 years ago by a low level Republican operative named Jude Wanniski.
klook
(12,152 posts)I confess I didn't know about Wanniski. Amazing that a Louis Farrakhan supporter came up with the central guiding principle of the modern Republican Party. Curioser and curioser.
Cary
(11,746 posts)It's all flim flam and part of a dangerous ideology that must be defeated.
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I have a suspicion the origins of the Republican "Two Santa" narrative are not widely known. They certainly do continue to follow the lead of this snake oil salesman. They like to cloak the deception in respectability by attributing it to Milton Friedman and other supposed intellectuals, but reading about the origins makes it clear in case it wasn't already that this is a crackpot theory.
And the "Laffer Curve," drawn on a napkin--don't get me started! That's about the level of analysis that Cheney and Rumsfeld put into planning the Iraq invasion.
Cary
(11,746 posts)Extremists, both left and right, are like that.
fredamae
(4,458 posts)point out the difference between a perceived "Attack VS Fact" in this ad?
Thanks.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)about the "take millions from Wall Street and then tell them what to do" vision. All it does is mention that that school of thought exists, which it does. That mentioning its mere existence is "negative" speaks volumes.
a2liberal
(1,524 posts)It seems like a certain candidate is self-identifying with it by taking offense at it...
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)I mean, Bernie could have been talking about Hillary -- or most of the Klown Kar Kings in the Republican primary.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)"...in order to justify and ramp up the negative campaigning they're engaged in."
If you want to engage in negative campaigning make sure the perception is that the other guy started it.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)I represented Wall Street" as an ad....
and maybe then just scroll their contributions to her.
I suppose they could call that 'negative', but WTF. I was never on board with this
"never ever, EVER run a negative ad" thing anyway--
especially in response to a competitor.