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BooScout

(10,406 posts)
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 09:41 AM Jan 2016

Go ahead and vote for Hillary Clinton because she is a woman

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/15/go-ahead-and-vote-for-hillary-clinton-because-she-is-a-woman?CMP=twt_gu

Go ahead and vote for Hillary Clinton because she is a woman

When it comes to women in politics, the United States is pretty much the pits. Women make up half the population in this country but hold less than 20% of Congressional seats and comprise less than 25% of state legislators. The numbers for women of color are even more dismal.

On the world stage, the US ranks 72nd in women’s political participation, far worse than most industrialized countries – and with numbers similar to Saudi Arabia’s. A United Nations working group late last year called attention to this disparity in a report that found massive discrimination against women across the board, an “overall picture of women’s missing rights”.

And so it seems strange that at a time when the country has the opportunity to elect the first woman president, the idea that gender might be a factor is considered shallow in some circles.

Only in a sexist society would women be told that caring about representation at the highest levels of government is wrong. Only in a sexist society would women believe it.

There has been an extraordinary amount of scorn – both from the right and from Bernie Sanders supporters – around the notion that Hillary Clinton and women planning on voting for her are playing the “gender card”. The criticism comes in part from Clinton’s unabashed embrace of women’s issues as a central part of her presidential campaign, and in part – let’s be frank – simply because Clinton is a woman.

(more) http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/15/go-ahead-and-vote-for-hillary-clinton-because-she-is-a-woman?CMP=twt_gu
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Go ahead and vote for Hillary Clinton because she is a woman (Original Post) BooScout Jan 2016 OP
I have not heard this remark except when a woman is involved, years of male presidents Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #1
Good question mcar Jan 2016 #2
Yea, I know, we should be questioned only of a woman is running, Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #4
I have no problem with factoring in her gender as a positive. cali Jan 2016 #3
You should meet my friend who backs her but admits Sanders is better on the issues. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #5
No Problem With A Woman Prez. Just NOT This Woman! CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #7
K & R mog75 Jan 2016 #18
+1, it's not her gender it's her corporatism and dishonesty. JRLeft Jan 2016 #9
Right, liberals oppose Clinton as the nominee because of women's issues. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #6
well said. nt mog75 Jan 2016 #19
Let me make sure I have this right. JayhawkSD Jan 2016 #8
... BooScout Jan 2016 #10
AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service nc4bo Jan 2016 #11
Juror 4 Squinch Jan 2016 #26
. one_voice Jan 2016 #12
... BooScout Jan 2016 #15
~~~*~~~~ Hekate Jan 2016 #20
I wanted to vote for Elizabeth Warren but she's not running. Eric J in MN Jan 2016 #13
Women will vote for for her in record numbers. Count on it. oasis Jan 2016 #14
A woman who likes war a whole lot more than most women do n/t eridani Jan 2016 #16
... BooScout Jan 2016 #17
Her vote for the Iraq war disqualifies her n/t eridani Jan 2016 #22
What a load of unadulterated garbage. And what a SEXIST article. 'Vote for her because she's a woman sabrina 1 Jan 2016 #21
No, thank you. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #23
Obviously some people are doing that. Some people have proudly admitted it. And that's fine. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #24
We made it through the first Catholic President, the first Black President and now we libdem4life Jan 2016 #25
Bernie wants to leave the Obama legacy behind. Dawson Leery Jan 2016 #27
Hillary calls for new Iran sanctions on the day they are lifted DirtyHippyBastard Jan 2016 #30
Let me explain more clearly. The mention of Obama was as the first Black President. libdem4life Jan 2016 #32
No thanks, I want my first time to be special. Kalidurga Jan 2016 #28
This woman says no thanks. djean111 Jan 2016 #29
How about, if she wins the primary PowerToThePeople Jan 2016 #31

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
1. I have not heard this remark except when a woman is involved, years of male presidents
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 09:58 AM
Jan 2016

and just when a woman is involved it happens, why in the hell do we vote for lesser qualified men?

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
4. Yea, I know, we should be questioned only of a woman is running,
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 10:40 AM
Jan 2016

Must make others feel better, would not want to hurt any feelings here.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
3. I have no problem with factoring in her gender as a positive.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 10:13 AM
Jan 2016

And I believe there are very few who are only voting for her because of her gender

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
7. No Problem With A Woman Prez. Just NOT This Woman!
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 11:02 AM
Jan 2016

The details as was said on Larry O'Donnel last night are appalling. Too many "Gates" As the saying goes... Hillary because of this and other "foibles"/ poor decisions and judgements along the more than 30 years of public performance will attract a very significant cohort of people to specifically vote against her should she become the nominee.

Why risk it when we have a generational opportunity with Bernie Sanders? Makes no sense at all.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
6. Right, liberals oppose Clinton as the nominee because of women's issues.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 10:48 AM
Jan 2016

It couldn't be that she is a pathological liar who has no demonstrated core beliefs she isn't willing to throw away for the next political attack? Nope must be because liberals are opposed to strong supporters of women's issues and are afraid of women. That's why Sanders holds a substantial lead with millenial women, who reject the idea of voting in consideration of gender.

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
8. Let me make sure I have this right.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 11:36 AM
Jan 2016

Voting for a man because he's a man is wrong, but voting for a woman because she's a woman is not only okay, it's praiseworthy.

I'm sure you will say that voting for a woman because she is a woman is necessary because of all the years that we have been voting for men because they were men.

That argues that we right one wrong by commiting another, offsetting wrong, which is morally reprehensible and prohibited by law. That argument would justify sending white people to the back of the bus and denying them access, and that was never the goal of the civil rights movement. Righting the wrong of racial injustice did not call for making whites lesser than people of color, and ending gender injustice should never call for making men unelectable.

Voting for Hillary because the women's rights issues which she embraces are important to you? Sure, that is a moral and legitimate manner in which to make your choice. But to vote for her merely because she is a woman? That choice is no better than the ones society has been making of selecting men because they were men.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
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Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: It's an attack, and I think the offending poster knows better. Voting for Mrs. Clinton "because she is a woman" is not (I hope) the only reason to vote for her. I doubt BooScout would vote for Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann or Carly Fiorina simply because each of them is a woman. I doubt that's the only reason she's voting for Hillary Clinton, too. I oppose Mrs. Clinton, but not because I am a narrow-minded misogynist who would never vote for any woman.

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Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
13. I wanted to vote for Elizabeth Warren but she's not running.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 11:25 PM
Jan 2016

I'm willing to wait 4 or 8 years for a chance to help make Warren the first female president.

This year, I'm voting for Bernie Sanders in my state's caucus.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
21. What a load of unadulterated garbage. And what a SEXIST article. 'Vote for her because she's a woman
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 02:47 PM
Jan 2016

Again with the insult to women who should it appears vote ONLY for gender, ignoring everything else, Hillary's support for eternal war, eg, no one who cares about WOMEN could possibly be so fond off war.


And her participation in getting one of the worst and most damaging-to-women pieces of legislation passed, the awful Welfare Reform Bill the results of which are still being felt by the poorest women and their children.

Her 'pull up your bootstraps and take responsibility' rhetoric to poor women and children outdid those on the Right plus the dog whistling appeal to bigots who wrongfully assume that it is AA women who mostly collect welfare.

What a terribly sexist article this is, to assume women are so stupid they will ignore who best represents their issues and go for the 'woman'!

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
24. Obviously some people are doing that. Some people have proudly admitted it. And that's fine.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:42 PM
Jan 2016

But then please let's stop with the "how dare anyone suggest that anyone is voting for HRC because she's a woman! Harumph!" nonsense.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
25. We made it through the first Catholic President, the first Black President and now we
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:50 PM
Jan 2016

are ready for a Woman President...just not this one.

When we get a Woman President, I want her to measure up to Kennedy and Obama as an example to other women. We can do better than HRC and I can sure as heck wait for the Right One to come along.

This time, I'll settle for the first Jewish President (I think??).

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
27. Bernie wants to leave the Obama legacy behind.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:58 PM
Jan 2016

Bernie clearly does not see Obama as a example to follow. Bernie did not like Kennedy either.

DirtyHippyBastard

(217 posts)
30. Hillary calls for new Iran sanctions on the day they are lifted
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 11:17 PM
Jan 2016

But Bernie is the one you are worried about hurting Obama's legacy. Cool story bro.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
32. Let me explain more clearly. The mention of Obama was as the first Black President.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 11:37 PM
Jan 2016

Kennedy was in 1960. They don't have to have a love fest. Bernie is 2016. The point of the post was...Firsts. Ceilings broken through. President Sanders may not like the next president who will probably be a woman, but that's irrelevant. She will be a First...nonetheless.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
28. No thanks, I want my first time to be special.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:59 PM
Jan 2016

Hill taints that with all of her scandals and outright hostility to BLM.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
29. This woman says no thanks.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 11:06 PM
Jan 2016

The only way that this argument would be anywhere near valid is if all of the candidates were pretty much the same when it came to issues, records, policy. In this case - no, the candidates are not anywhere close to being the same.
So I will pass. And vote for Bernie.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
31. How about, if she wins the primary
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 11:20 PM
Jan 2016

I write in Warren for POTUS in the general.

Still a vote for a woman, but at least she would make a good POTUS.

You ok with this plan?

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