Hillary, Bernie or Other

[MariaThinks]

I will support the Democratic party and the nominee no matter who it is. I have some serious questions:

1. Hillary has baggage, much of it just made up by the republican party, some that will turn some people off. She is a successful woman with loads of relevant experience. Will enough Americans vote for her to give US all the Presidency?

2. Bernie: great, passionate, likeable, great ideas. The problem is that he is a self described socialist in a country that votes by sound bite and where voters are knee jerk reactionaries against that very word. Will enough Americans be willing to vote for a self described socialist?

The outcome of the next election will shape the supreme court for the next 20 years. it is already a banana republic like court that has no sense of objectively among 5 members.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

1. I've voted for self described socialists before.

I expect to do so again. If Bernie is nominated I will vote for him.

[firebrand80]

2. The Demographics still favor the Dems

The Republicans face an uphill battle, no matter who the nominee is.

I think Hillary has proven her mettle on a National stage. Although she'll underperform Obama by a bit the Electoral College math doesn't hold up for the GOP.

We don't really know how Bernie is going to hold up to National scrutiny. Although I believe he would handily beat Trump or Cruz (any dem that could walk and chew gum would), I think he's a risk to lose to a center-right candidate. It was just 4 years ago that that Republicans were trying to win the election by calling Obama a socialist. I don't think we've come far enough to elect a self-described socialist over a mainstream Republican.

[99th_Monkey]

3. If I were undecided -which I'm decidedly not, I support Sanders- I'd be looking at who runs

strongest against ALL GOP contenders in the GE.

[99Forever]

4. All of your concerns have been addressed....

....multiple times in threads with hundreds of responses in many cases. Perhaps a site search would find you the information you seek.

[randome]

5. I'm writing in JFK because why settle for the lesser of two evils?

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]

[MariaThinks]

23. we have to make tough choice in life. Sometimes we don't get ideal but compromise.

[tech3149]

6. Your post reveals your bias

You forget that before Sanders even thought about running he was out there "listening" to what the people said they needed.
HRC did her "listening" tour on private jets "listening" to arraigned aiences.

When has HRC agreed to do a weekly hour long Q&A from unscreened callers?
The world is changing, if you don't recognize it, I guess it's too bad for you.

[MariaThinks]

7. i actually just want to win - i see pros and cons to either Bernie or Hillary

I'm happy for either to be President.

[HereSince1628]

9. Well, if you didn't know, the 'winning is what's most important'

Is the 'end' that justifies 'the means' used to get there.

That's a basic tenet of pragmatism. Pragmatism is a recurrent mantra of the New Dems.

Just the other day, Howard Dean argued about how important it was to go with Hillary, the pragmatist.

So you see. It may not have been your intent, but it's quite natural for others to suspect a regular pattern.

[MariaThinks]

10. no actually pragmatically letting a republican is not going to help any of our

progressive causes. It happened in 2000

[tech3149]

16. Are you serious? or just a paid troll?

I don't care how ill informed the general public is, most of us know that we have been screwed by "pragmatism" for a lifetime at least.
I never though Nixon or Regan, or even Bush the Lesser would be elected that was how wrong I have been.
We're living in a different world today.
Time to wake up and see how the rest of the world lives.

[MariaThinks]

22. i'm not a troll. but it's interesting how virulent reactions can get from people promoting

tolerant candidates.

what is trollish about talking about keeping a republican out of office and whether Bernie, Hillary could win.

[tech3149]

13. OK! so there is your problem

What exactly do YOU want to win? I'll be fine with Her Highness as the nominee but Sanders represents what I hope for. Clinton represents too many of the things I know have helped destroy the world economy and stability.
Even before Sanders jumped into the race he had been talking about a revolution.
Do you think he didn't consider ALL the challenges he would face?
Being ignored and denigrated by the media? Hell yes, but now he is an issue so they can't ignore him. But still the media do everything they can to marginalize him and not discuss his policy positions.
The "Democratic" party elite pretty much said "What the hell?" Let's let this guy on board because he will advance our street cred with those "fucking retarded" progressives in the voting public.
I've got no juice for Ms Clinton but given no other choice, I will do the deed.
Sanders has every chance to be this generations FDR.
The problem is that I don't know if we have felt enough pain or can see through the 24/7 propaganda that clouds our thinking.
Some days I feel like Roddy Piper in "They Live"

[MariaThinks]

24. don't you find it rude to refer to Hillary Clinton as 'your highness'

it's actually offensive to me and doesn't help in what I was hoping to be an intellectual discussion. Bernie is more respectful to her.

She has worked hard for our country. I never say anything offensive about any of our candidates. I save that for the republican ones who make it so easy.

[elleng]

8. Too bad Maria doesn't think enough

to name the Democratic candidate who has no baggage and is not a self-described socialist.



The case for Martin O'Malley

'The fact is that mainstream Democrats have not two but three solid candidates in the race. And of the three, in conventional terms it's O'Malley who seems the most solid, reflecting a more consistently liberal record than Clinton's but not veering so far left that he's spent the bulk of his career denying that he's a Democrat, like Sanders.' >>>

http://www.vox.com/2016/1/8/10695420/martin-omalley


15 Goals to Rebuild the American Dream
https://martinomalley.com/category/15-goals/

Addiction treatment and prevention
https://martinomalley.com/policy/addiction-treatment-and-prevention/

Criminal Justice Reform
https://martinomalley.com/policy/criminal-justice/

Making College Debt Free for all Americans
https://martinomalley.com/policy/make-college-debt-free/

Holding Wall Street Accountable
https://14d2r744okfe40r1ug1oqm6y-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/OMalley-Wall-Street-Reform.pdf

Expanding Social Security
https://martinomalley.com/the-latest/expanding-social-security/

Homeland Security
https://martinomalley.com/vision/homeland-security/

Immigration
https://martinomalley.com/the-latest/immigration/

National Service
https://martinomalley.com/national-service/

Environment
https://martinomalley.com/climate/iowa/
https://martinomalley.com/climate/
https://martinomalley.com/climate/agenda/

Foreign Policy
https://martinomalley.com/policy/truman-national-security/

Gun Reform
https://martinomalley.com/policy/preventing-and-reducing-gun-violence/

Trade Policy
https://martinomalley.com/policy/trade-policy/

Campaign Finance Reform (Restoring our American Democracy)
https://martinomalley.com/the-latest/restoring-our-american-democracy/

Why We Need a Constitutional Amendment to Secure the Right to Vote:
https://martinomalley.com/the-latest/news/right-to-vote/

Veterans and Military Families
https://martinomalley.com/policy/veterans/

[MariaThinks]

11. Great guy. What are the odds of him winning in a general election?

[elleng]

12. Great guy and I'm not interested in 'odds,'

I'm interested in substance.

[retrowire]

15. elleng you are a great user and an even more determined supporter of your candidate.

I respect and admire O'Malley, I'm definitely behind Bernie because he inspired me and also strikes all the right notes with me.

But I wanted to ask you, and I hope you know I'm not being snarky, I have enjoyed our communications here so I'd like that to continue. But can I ask you, why do you think O'Malley isn't catching on? And, what can he possibly do to change the tide?

Feel free to PM me if you don't want to post here.

[elleng]

19. He's not catching on because tptb didn't and don't want him to,

major part initially dws/dnc/hrc/dem ptb > msm. Can't change that.

[MariaThinks]

20. so you're not interested in strategy. that's what got us george w bush

[MariaThinks]

25. Actually Malloy is awesome but he totally slipped my mind when i was thinking of the

frontrunner Democratic candidates. Which is kind of my point.

[retrowire]

14. We aren't that same country anymore. Look to the people.

The majority of us are Millenials and Gen Xr's. We are the generation of skeptics. The generation of those who have seen our own government lie to us. The generation raised by Jon Stewart lol.

We don't take shit at face value. So believe me when I say, we don't vote by sound bite anymore. We have so much more information we can consume.

[tech3149]

18. Hey guess what?

Even some of us Old Farts aren't willing to take it anymore.
I could just sit back and say"I got mine, screw you" but I am pretty sure that most of my compatriots have kids and grandkids that we want to have a fulfilling life.

You finished off pretty well, never ever take things at face value. Question everything (funny how that is an RT promo) Most of the "free" media is just BS trying to sell you stuff so the best bet is to turn it off.

[Art_from_Ark]

17. 1954 called

It wants its Red Scare back.

[MariaThinks]

21. i have to wonder how people would feel if the republicans

won because we put forward a great candidate who did not have the organization or ability to win a general election. Then we'll got 3 or 4 more effing scalias on the supreme court.

well at least we can be happy that we did the 'right' thing.