While watching Rachel Maddow interview Hillary Clinton, I heard one remark Rachel made

[Samantha]

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that will always stay with me. While discussing the subject of Hillary impugning Bernie Sander's character, Rachel suddenly exclaimed:

"He doesn't have a single enemy in Washington."

Hillary blinked. She knew immediately she had no answer for that statement. Here from where I sit inside the Beltway, I can tell you that is indeed a stunning statement for a commentator to make about a politician running for President. I have never seen or heard the likes of this in the decades I have been following politics. It is almost impossible to function in the political arena and attain one's goals without making enemies. Yet he has not one.

Honesty is a rare commodity in our political world. One cannot buy it, one cannot bargain for it, it must be inherent in one's psychological makeup. Bernie Sanders is an awe-inspiring example of what our government could be like if only we work hard enough to put people with his character in the Oval Office.

Sam

[Human101948]

1. If he wins the nomination, he will suddenly rank up there with President Obama...

Thousands and thousands of Republicans will declare him the Socialist Satan.

[Samantha]

4. What can I say -- Republicans prevaricate

I guess we have to expect that and put them on Ignore!

Sam

[lewebley3]

192. What can I say: Sander is a fraud on Health Care

[rynestonecowboy]

195. I know we can't have a reasonable back and forth on this but

with all the evidence that HRC has supported single payer for her entire career up until this election why would her supporters keep bringing up healthcare when she has obviously stepped right in it on this issue? How can every other industrialized nation in the world have universal healthcare, and has worked for decades, all of a sudden not be able to work in the wealthiest and greatest country in the world. I'm sorry but I love this country more than anything and things such as letting insurance company crooks tell me how much I owe them and what they will and won't cover is a disgrace.

[Bubzer]

198. Take a moment and go read his proposed bill. All of it. You'll find very quickly he's no fraud

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511010907

[lewebley3]

199. His proposed bill was reject 9 times: he didn't have away to work it or

play for it.

[Uncle Joe]

200. If Bernie wins the election, his stature and message will be greatly magnified, his mandate

will be crystal clear to any political opposition.

The political dynamic in the Congress will change as result and for those still foolish enough to stand in the way, many will bite the dust in 2018.

[Bubzer]

204. You called him a fraud, without back up your statment. Read the bill.

You'll find very quickly how wrong you are.
"His proposed bill was reject 9 times" according to who exactly? You frequently post garbage and virtually never back up your BS.
As you've been told in the past; link or slink.

[lewebley3]

205. Sanders put hundreds bills forward: that he knows will not get any votes.

He has never accomplished anything in the Senate but talk, he
is a fraud.

[Bubzer]

209. I think you're confused.

"He has never accomplished anything..." *snip* "...but talk" or projecting. I'm gonna go with option b.

[lewebley3]

211. HIllary got something done for the people of Michigan: Sanders sat on his behind

[Bubzer]

212. Perhaps one day you'll understand your opinion is insufficient as a viable argument.

Until then... bye!

[enid602]

201. I did read it

Remember though, if the SC overturns any part of it, the rest of the provisions are still in effect. According to 'The People's View,' a liberal blog:

"If courts invalidate just that part of a hypothetical Sanders law, remember that the remainder of the bill would remain in effect. In other words, if the courts block a federal authority to set up a health insurance body in a state in which it is unwelcome, the defunding of Medicaid, Medicare, CHIP, and ACA exchanges remain in full effect, leaving the residents of those states - including their elderly citizens - with only private insurance as an option for health coverage."

http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016/1/15/chelsea-clinton-was-right-everyones-health-care-is-threatened-under-bernies-plan

[Samantha]

210. But Bernie stepped out two days and denied this was true

So if you ask who do I believe, Chelsea or Sanders, it is his plan and I believe he knows it as well as the potential consequences more thoroughly.

But thanks for kicking my thread.

Sam

[bvar22]

12. WOW. ...and this is the guy without an enemy.

Just imagine what they will do to Hillary who will also be called a "Socialist".
Especially NOW that she has "evolved" on so many issues that Sanders has introduced to the campaign.
She has given them so much ammo.

[SharonAnn]

202. WOW. ...and Ted Cruz is without a friend!

This could also change!

[daleanime]

21. So?

[Human101948]

46. It will be easy to find people who don't like him at that point...

even though he may at this time be liked by everyone. So Rachel's point, though true at this moment will not be true after he is nominated. And at that point his character will mean nothing because if the Republicans can't find anything significant in his background, they will just it up and hate him anyway.

[daleanime]

50. At the risk of being boring....

so?

I understand that republicans are going to officially hate anyone who is nominated, that's how they're attempting to hold on to power, what I don't get is two fold.

1-Why that should even enter our thought processes?

2-If we were concerned about it, why would be be better to go with someone who's already hated over someone who isn't?

[Paka]

63. +1

[Human101948]

65. I made a simple observation...I was not promoting one over the other...

The infighting here is getting a bit tiresome.

[daleanime]

66. Who fighting? If you can't handle answering the question....

don't. Very easy and pain-free. Have a great day.

[libdem4life]

68. More characteristic of a judgement...a view into the future judgment, at that.

Truth is, no one knows.

[Human101948]

70. Republicans will great Bernie as a hero and throw flowers?

I can predict that will not happen.

[catnhatnh]

90. Greet

Spelling is important...

[A Simple Game]

116. Not entirely true, I know some Republicans that think Bernie is great, but probably no flowers.

What's that... they meant greet? No matter what I said is still true.

[bvf]

75. +1.

Two very solid points.

Good god, the hand-wringing just drives me nuts sometimes.

[Samantha]

85. In the immortal words of George W. Bush*

"Who care what they think?"

Sounds to me like that is what you are saying, and I totally agree.

Sam

[rynestonecowboy]

196. +100

[onecaliberal]

61. The republicans have alientated everyone who is NOT white, and half of all women.

They cannot get elected.

[PyaarRevolution]

127. They can if they cheat.

Dukakis, Gore, Kerry. It's coming out that there's some real suspicion that the voting machines even that far back were hacked. I mean machines had just been introduced into some states when it was Dukakis vs. Bush.

[malokvale77]

88. Well then...

we should just settle for Hillary and all her existing and future enemies that span the globe.

Thanks for that, because I was about to vote for the honest guy.

[Rockyj]

110. Republicans could not exist without fear and hate...

& what Maddow was saying is that Sanders REALLY doesn't have any real enemies in DC. However, as we all know Republicans & that includes Blue Dog Dems, will hate him if he's elected as President. Why? Because that's what republican's do.

[Trajan]

129. Oooooh ... Republican hatred of Liberals ... I am shocked

We better run and hide, because ... Conservatives don't like liberals ...

Btw ... That's DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST ...

DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST! .. not socialist ...

Edit: oh .. Human is gone - booted from their own thread ... Tis a shame ...

I'm guessing he/she is back in the Gungeon, discussing their bitter hatred of Liberals ...

[CorporatistNation]

183. So on The Other Hand, Are You Suggesting That Dems Nominate Someone of Less Than

Stellar Character? The "TRUTH" is in the pudding...

[Armstead]

207. Gosh Republicans do that to Democratic candidates? I never knew

[roguevalley]

48. I don't give a damn what republicans think. That is all

[Spitfire of ATJ]

71. I'm not worried. They threw everything they had at Obama and lost TWICE....

They're stuck in the Reagan campaign in the 80s claiming wages are low because your boss is going broke because the government is taxing and regulating him to death.

As far as foreign policy? They have a list of targets that includes Hollywood.

[Ferd Berfel]

91. and thousands and thousands of Republicans will VOTE FOR HIM TOO!

as they have in Vermont for decades.

NOt all republicans are suicidal psychotic fools. True alot of them are, but more are not

[lewebley3]

189. Sanders will never rank with Obama ever; He's a fraud

[EvolveOrConvolve]

197. You've said that a couple of times now in this thread

As someone who's not obviously as up on the issues as you, can you explain what makes him a fraud? I'm sincerely curious to know.

[Armstead]

206. And they will declare Clinton as a Liberal Monster

your point is, what that Republicans tend to attack and demonize Democrats?

Gosh whoda thunk it?

[Segami]

2. Well Rachel,...

thats where Bernie and I are the SAME!...

[Samantha]

8. Now pay attention Segami! Bernie has no enemies, Hillary and Bill have an enemies list

At least that is the longstanding rumor in DC. See the difference?

Sam

[Marty McGraw]

22. But no Rumor

Here when it comes to Camp WV's Fresh New List.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511010801

[Segami]

25. Yes,..I'm aware of their famous

'enemies list'..........Just what we need in the WhiteHouse....A revenge team holding all the powers that comes with the Executive branch at their finger tips....

[malokvale77]

94. Shades of Nixon. nt

[lewebley3]

191. Sanders is not evern supported by people know him Senator Leah of VT

[Armstead]

208. I make typing errors myself....But can you at least try to get the guy's name right?

[LeFleur1]

194. Anyone Who Works Hard and Gets Things Done

has enemies. Anyone. If a person, Senator, President, Representative introduces a bill, then works to get it passed he/she will make enemies. Anyone who works with other countries who do not particularly like or want whatever deal is in the making will have enemies. ANYONE. Pushing people to do things they don't want to do is not a popular job.

[Gary 50]

41. An excellent response if she was prepared to lie. Obviously. she didn't think of it.

[Hiraeth]

150. but, didn't she already answer that question in the first debate ... ah!

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[emulatorloo]

3. Pretty sure she said that to Chris Hayes afterwards. Don't have the transcript though

but that's how I remember it. They were talking about how weird HRC campaign was in overreacting to Bernie,s ad. That being said my memory gets things wrong sometimes, lol

[99th_Monkey]

11. No, I saw that interview. Rachael said it to Hillary, and she was caught flat-footed, stunned

had to recover for a moment, take a deep breath, before she replied.

She may well have said that also to Chris Hayes, but I didn't see that one.

[Samantha]

20. That was my impression, 99th_Monkey

This was definitely hard for Hillary to hear at this particular moment in time. One could almost hear her thinking, "Did you have to say that?"

Thanks for posting on my thread.

Sam

[appalachiablue]

34. As I recall Rachel added smthg. about Bernie's favorability in Vermont also. To which

HRC replied she has the support of the VT Gov., Senators and others. For trying, Rachel gets beaucoup credit. The way she handled monitoring the Dem. Forum event was extraordinary.

The Clinton presence and era in DC will change with time, naturally. It already has.

[INdemo]

73. Hillary tried to use Obama ties to Wall St as her excuse

but the fact is there are voters that pretty much despised that and the fact that Obama used former Goldman Sachs and other Wall St employess in cabinet.
There are progressive voters that did not back Obama and will back Bernie Sanders because of his stand against big Banks and Wall St.

[Motown_Johnny]

24. Nope, to Hillary. Link to video here:

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show

at about the 6:30 mark


Exact Quote was "doesn't have an enemy in the world in the Democratic Party"

[emulatorloo]

26. Thanks!!!!!

[tecelote]

35. Thanks!!

[LiberalArkie]

51. And very few enemies in the Republican party either.

[malokvale77]

99. Wow...

"doesn't have an enemy in the world in the Democratic Party"

Was she saying that all the Hillary camp are not Democrats?

I've long suspected it. LOL

[rbrnmw]

115. Maybe it means they don't hate their fellow Democrats

Maybe they know who ever wins the Primaries will need the support of the whole Democratic Party. Just because you endorse one candidate doesn't mean you dislike the other candidates.

[malokvale77]

121. Maybe you didn't get my post. It's OK. nt

[Motown_Johnny]

139. They are not enemies

They are just competing against each other.

[malokvale77]

143. I'll buy that.

Only one of the competitors cares about my ass.

[Oilwellian]

5. Huh

Well I've seen it stated here many times that no one in Congress likes Bernie.

[senz]

17. Yep, some have been saying it for months

around here.

[chervilant]

59. Especially

those who vociferously assert that HRC is "inevitable."

(Dare I say they are finally feeling the Bern?)

[Motown_Johnny]

6. Great post, but maybe change the title.

Something like "Why Bernie has a chance to get things done in D.C.".

Because he hasn't one enemy in Washington, or Vermont (Rachel also said that).


Hillary, on the other hand......

[Samantha]

18. With an 83 percent approval rating, Bernie Sanders is the most popular Senator in DC

Like that one?

Thanks for posting on my thread.

Sam

[Motown_Johnny]

23. Feel free to add that little tidbit in.

[malokvale77]

104. That's huge...

considering how low the Congress is rated.

I think Bernie is the only one that keeps them afloat. LOL

[1StrongBlackMan]

7. I suspect that statement by Rachel was ...

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Hyperbolic and intended (or, maybe not ... that hasn't been her style) to throw gas on a smoldering fire.

Bernie may not have any "enemies"; but, he doesn't seem to have many "friends", either.

HRC was smart not to bite.

[senz]

13. lol, shall I invoke that tired "under the bus" meme now?

Rachel! Watch out for moving objects!

[1StrongBlackMan]

37. How is that throwing Rachel under the bus? eom.

[Samantha]

15. It seemed off the cuff but indeed she said it very passionately

She has a lot of respect for the man. It shows when she sits down and talks to him one and one. I think there is a lot of respect between the two of them for each other.

Sam

[1StrongBlackMan]

38. I agree with all three points ...

never the less, my point stands.

[BlueCaliDem]

29. Rachel Maddow is in the tank for Sanders. She uses kid gloves with him and then goes after

Hillary Clinton with everything she's got.

That said, let people be reminded that this was an impromptu interview. She had met Hillary Clinton in the building for another interview earlier that day and asked if she'd like to be on her show. And Hillary Clinton graciously said 'yes'.

So in light of that information, Hillary Clinton did very, very well - extremely well - against Rachel's gotcha questions. That's what true leaders are supposed to be able to do - think on their feet.

And yes, I believe Bernie's ad was an indictment on ALL Democrats, even President Obama, and although they can make the claim that that isn't true, there's no other way to see that ad - and I've watched it five times. Sure, Bernie doesn't have any enemies in DC, but he's got precious few friends, certainly not enough to make his rhetoric come to fruition. But I'm not afraid of that. He's not going to be the Democratic Party nom unless PoC suddenly abandon their support for Hillary Clinton, en masse. And that's just wishful thinking.

[1StrongBlackMan]

40. I saw the interview and didn't think Rachel asked a single Gotcha question ...

she DID ask questions of substance, that needed to be asked. I think that HRC acquitted herself well ... including, not reacting on the (arguably, hyperbolic)"not a single enemy" comment.

[BlueCaliDem]

87. Arguably,

the "not a single enemy" comment was a gotcha. How did Rachel expect Hillary Clinton to respond to that? There were others, but I'll need to watch the video again.

But you're correct, HRC handled herself very well. I don't know if I'd use the word "acquitted" (since that has a negative connotation as if she's been charged with something - although I know which definition you're using which is simply how well someone conducts themselves), but she sure did show she is more than ready to be president of the United States. Bar none currently running.

[1StrongBlackMan]

96. LOL ...

don't know if I'd use the word "acquitted" (since that has a negative connotation as if she's been charged with something -

Acquitted is music to a (former) member of the defense bar's ears!

And, weren't you talking about gotcha questions?

(Sorry ... Just giving you a hard time)

[malokvale77]

107. Well...

don't know if I'd use the word "acquitted" (since that has a negative connotation as if she's been charged with something -

In the court of public opinion, she has been. Her defense team is faltering badly.

[BlueCaliDem]

154. Hahahaha!

Well, that's a-ok with me, 1SBM. I've learned to grow a thicker skin during my hiatus.

[pangaia]

53. "..... this was an impromptu interview. ..."

"So in light of that information, Hillary Clinton did very, very well - extremely well - against Rachel's gotcha questions. That's what true leaders are supposed to be able to do - think on their feet. "


I mean, with all due respect to my esteemed colleague "across the aisle," you must be joking.

[libdem4life]

78. Any question that does not appear on HRCs Talking Points, is a...take your pick...

Gotcha, Attack, Hating ... pretty much hair triggers on the political gun.

[BlueCaliDem]

86. Yes

it was an impromptu interview without weeks of preparation. Rachel Maddow says that herself in the lead-in. Watch the video:
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show

Hillary Clinton was in the building to do the Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon, and they asked her to "swing by" and she said yes.

So with all due respect to my esteemed colleague across the aisle, I wasn't joking.

[malokvale77]

111. FFS...

weeks of preparation

God forbid we depend on her for that "3:00 AM" phone call.

[BlueCaliDem]

151. FFS

Give credit where it's due. That's the mature thing to do.

[malokvale77]

153. ?

[cherokeeprogressive]

140. Well SOMEONE has to balance Chris Matthews' sycophant ass.

[Uncle Joe]

36. "An excellent man"

An excellent man; he has no enemies; and none of his friends like him.

Oscar Wilde


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/o/oscarwilde397093.html#QmafiFdVKGGlJdeV.99

That's what Oscar Wilde said of George Bernard Shaw

George Bernard Shaw (26 July 1856 – 2 November 1950) was a Nobel Prize and Oscar-winning Irish playwright, critic and socialist whose influence on Western theatre, culture and politics stretched from the 1880s to his death in 1950. Originally earning his way as an influential London music and theatre critic, Shaw's greatest gift was for the modern drama. Strongly influenced by Henrik Ibsen, he successfully introduced a new realism into English-language drama. He wrote more than 60 plays, among them Man and Superman, Mrs. Warren's Profession, Major Barbara, Saint Joan, Caesar and Cleopatra, and Pygmalion. With his range from biting contemporary satire to historical allegory, Shaw became the leading comedy dramatist of his generation and one of the most important playwrights in the English language since the 17th century.

"Shaw was also the most trenchant pamphleteer since Swift, the most readable music critic in English, the best theatre critic of his generation, a prodigious lecturer and essayist on politics, economics, and sociological subjects, and one of the most prolific letter writers in literature," sums up Stanley Weintraub in the Encyclopædia Britannica.[1] He won the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1925.

As a young man raised in poverty, Shaw embraced socialism and became an early and lifelong force in the Fabian Society, a highly influential British organisation, founded in 1884, to promote a gradual, as opposed to revolutionary, socialism, that was the foundation for the British Labour Party in 1900. He tirelessly wrote and spoke on behalf of its wide-ranging vision to transform British society, advocating a minimum wage for the working-class, universal healthcare, women's right to vote, and the abolition of hereditary privilege. Not quite a pacifist because he justified war when a necessary evil (as in fighting the Nazis in WWII), he worked for a peaceable world and supported the establishment of the League of Nations. He edited the classic text "Fabian Essays in Socialism" (1889), and helped co-founders Sidney and Beatrice Webb create the London School of Economics and Political Science from a bequest by an early Fabian in 1895. He publicly opposed Britain's entry into both World Wars.

He is the only person to have been awarded both a Nobel Prize (Literature, 1925) and an Academy Award (Best Adapted Screenplay, 1938), the first for his contributions to literature and the second for his film adaptation of his most popular play, Pygmalion. The story of a pedantic British linguist who turns a Cockney flower girl into a lady was immortalised after his death in the 1953 Broadway musical My Fair Lady.[n 1]

Shaw refused all other awards and honours, including the offer of a knighthood.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Bernard_Shaw

[Samantha]

97. This was a great read, Uncle Joe

And thank you for posting it on my thread. I am kind of tired tonight, and I keep looking for a place to recommend this post!

Sam

[Uncle Joe]

98. ...

Peace to you Sam and get a good night of sleep.

[malokvale77]

112. You should make this an OP. nt

[Logical]

72. LOL, nice try! nt

[passiveporcupine]

80. Doesn't have any friends?

You mean he's not a shmoozer like Hillary, playing games and trading promises for money, to be in the popular clique and gain power?

You are right about that. He has no pretensions about wanting to be one of the popular kids. Popularity and celebrity and power are not what he's fighting for. He's fighting for us, and for changing how the system works, not because he just really wants to be President.

[1StrongBlackMan]

89. Okay ...

the point still stands: In a political world, your success, or more, your ability to succeed, is less about your enemies; and, all about your friends.

[passiveporcupine]

131. In a political world that is based on quid pro quo and favors, yes

Bernie is here to change all that. That is why there is so much enthusiasm behind him.

[1StrongBlackMan]

134. Okay. eom.

[rhett o rick]

81. If by friends you mean like the billionaire kind that are "friends" of H. Clinton. I think

they are called "quid pro quo" friends. We need honesty in government and not Big Money.

[1StrongBlackMan]

93. No ... In mean friends like these ...

Hillary Clinton 1/8/16 Frank Pallone Jr. Rep. (D-N.J.) 1
1/7 G.K. Butterfield Rep. (D-N.C.) 1
12/16/15 Linda Sánchez Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
12/15 Brad Ashford Rep. (D-Neb.) 1
12/7 Michael E. Capuano Rep. (D-Mass.) 1
11/30 Maxine Waters Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
11/30 Jackie Speier Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
11/30 Anna G. Eshoo Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
11/30 Pete Aguilar Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
11/30 Jerry McNerney Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
11/19 John A. Yarmuth Rep. (D-Ky.) 1
11/17 Alan Grayson Rep. (D-Fla.) 1
11/17 Jack Reed Sen. (D-R.I.) 5
11/17 John P. Sarbanes Rep. (D-Md.) 1
11/17 Donna F. Edwards Rep. (D-Md.) 1
11/17 C. A. Dutch Ruppersberger Rep. (D-Md.) 1
11/16 Ruben Gallego Rep. (D-Ariz.) 1
11/14 Jay Inslee Gov. (D-Wash.) 10
11/14 Denny Heck Rep. (D-Wash.) 1
11/14 Suzan DelBene Rep. (D-Wash.) 1
11/13 Joe Donnelly Sen. (D-Ind.) 5
11/13 Ann Kirkpatrick Rep. (D-Ariz.) 1
11/13 Eleanor Holmes Norton Del. (D-D.C.) 1
11/11 Tony Cárdenas Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
11/11 Corrine Brown Rep. (D-Fla.) 1
11/11 Gwen Moore Rep. (D-Wis.) 1
11/10 Christopher A. Coons Sen. (D-Del.) 5
11/9 Bennie G. Thompson Rep. (D-Miss.) 1
11/8 Seth Moulton Rep. (D-Mass.) 1
11/5 Maria Cantwell Sen. (D-Wash.) 5
11/4 Jay Nixon Gov. (D-Mo.) 10
10/28 Heidi Heitkamp Sen. (D-N.D.) 5
10/28 Jared Huffman Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
10/27 Sherrod Brown Sen. (D-Ohio) 5
10/26 Thomas R. Carper Sen. (D-Del.) 5
10/26 John Carney Rep. (D-Del.) 1
10/23 Paul D. Tonko Rep. (D-N.Y.) 1
10/21 Jack Markell Gov. (D-Del.) 10
10/20 Eliot Engel Rep. (D-N.Y.) 1
10/19 Joe Courtney Rep. (D-Conn.) 1
10/16 William Keating Rep. (D-Mass.) 1
10/14 Edward J. Markey Sen. (D-Mass.) 5
10/13 Yvette D. Clarke Rep. (D-N.Y.) 1
10/13 Hakeem Jeffries Rep. (D-N.Y.) 1
10/5 Robert C. Scott Rep. (D-Va.) 1
10/5 John Hickenlooper Gov. (D-Colo.) 10
9/17 Maggie Hassan Gov. (D-N.H.) 10
9/13 Ann Kuster Rep. (D-N.H.) 1
9/7 David Loebsack Rep. (D-Iowa) 1
9/7 Cheri Bustos Rep. (D-Ill.) 1
9/1 Zoe Lofgren Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
8/31 Tammy Baldwin Sen. (D-Wis.) 5
8/28 Timothy J. Walz Rep. (D-Minn.) 1
8/24 Bill Pascrell Jr. Rep. (D-N.J.) 1
8/24 Bonnie Watson Coleman Rep. (D-N.J.) 1
8/24 Donald Payne Jr. Rep. (D-N.J.) 1
8/24 John Garamendi Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
8/18 Jim Himes Rep. (D-Conn.) 1
8/6 Xavier Becerra Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
8/5 Scott Peters Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
7/15 Marcia L. Fudge Rep. (D-Ohio) 1
7/15 Lois Capps Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
7/14 André Carson Rep. (D-Ind.) 1
7/13 Suzanne Bonamici Rep. (D-Ore.) 1
6/27 Niki Tsongas Rep. (D-Mass.) 1
6/26 Don Beyer Rep. (D-Va.) 1
6/26 Brenda Lawrence Rep. (D-Mich.) 1
6/23 William "Lacy" Clay Jr. Rep. (D-Mo.) 1
6/23 Matthew Cartwright Rep. (D-Pa.) 1
6/13 Tom Wolf Gov. (D-Pa.) 10
6/13 Elizabeth Esty Rep. (D-Conn.) 1
6/13 John B. Larson Rep. (D-Conn.) 1
6/7 Dannel P. Malloy Gov. (D-Conn.) 10
6/5 Steve Cohen Rep. (D-Tenn.) 1
6/4 Christopher Murphy Sen. (D-Conn.) 5
5/27 Katherine Clark Rep. (D-Mass.) 1
5/20 Peter Shumlin Gov. (D-Vt.) 10
5/14 Joseph P. Kennedy III Rep. (D-Mass.) 1
5/12 James McGovern Rep. (D-Mass.) 1
5/5 Gary Peters Sen. (D-Mich.) 5
5/5 Michael F. Bennet Sen. (D-Colo.) 5
5/4 Henry Cuellar Rep. (D-Texas) 1
5/4 Filemon Vela Rep. (D-Texas) 1
5/4 Joyce Beatty Rep. (D-Ohio) 1
5/4 Adam Smith Rep. (D-Wash.) 1
5/4 Jim Cooper Rep. (D-Tenn.) 1
5/4 Patrick Murphy Rep. (D-Fla.) 1
5/4 Derek Kilmer Rep. (D-Wash.) 1
5/4 Kurt Schrader Rep. (D-Ore.) 1
5/4 Kathy Castor Rep. (D-Fla.) 1
5/4 Brad Sherman Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
5/4 Sean Patrick Maloney Rep. (D-N.Y.) 1
5/4 Julia Brownley Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
5/4 Adam Schiff Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
5/4 Daniel Kildee Rep. (D-Mich.) 1
5/4 Rubén Hinojosa Rep. (D-Texas) 1
5/4 Mike Thompson Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
5/4 Eddie Bernice Johnson Rep. (D-Texas) 1
5/4 Ed Perlmutter Rep. (D-Colo.) 1
5/4 Jared Polis Rep. (D-Colo.) 1
5/4 Marc Veasey Rep. (D-Texas) 1
5/4 Kathleen Rice Rep. (D-N.Y.) 1
5/4 José E. Serrano Rep. (D-N.Y.) 1
5/4 Gerald E. "Gerry" Connolly Rep. (D-Va.) 1
4/29 Emanuel Cleaver Rep. (D-Mo.) 1
4/24 Robert P. Casey, Jr. Sen. (D-Pa.) 5
4/23 Steve Israel Rep. (D-N.Y.) 1
4/23 Cory A. Booker Sen. (D-N.J.) 5
4/22 John Conyers Jr. Rep. (D-Mich.) 1
4/16 Gina M. Raimondo Gov. (D-R.I.) 10
4/15 Jim McDermott Rep. (D-Wash.) 1
4/14 Rosa L. DeLauro Rep. (D-Conn.) 1
4/13 Tom Udall Sen. (D-N.M.) 5
4/12 Andrew M. Cuomo Gov. (D-N.Y.) 10
4/12 Karen Bass Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
4/12 Rick Larsen Rep. (D-Wash.) 1
4/12 Diana DeGette Rep. (D-Colo.) 1
4/12 Jeanne Shaheen Sen. (D-N.H.) 5
4/12 Debbie Dingell Rep. (D-Mich.) 1
4/11 Nydia M. Velázquez Rep. (D-N.Y.) 1
4/11 Jerrold Nadler Rep. (D-N.Y.) 1
2/2 Brian Schatz Sen. (D-Hawaii) 5
1/29 Alcee L. Hastings Rep. (D-Fla.) 1
1/27 Ted Lieu Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
1/27 Mark Takano Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
1/27 Tammy Duckworth Rep. (D-Ill.) 1
1/27 Madeleine Bordallo Del. (D-Guam) 1
1/27 Ami Bera Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
1/27 Mazie K. Hirono Sen. (D-Hawaii) 5
1/27 Judy Chu Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
1/22 Grace Napolitano Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
1/22 Loretta Sanchez Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
1/22 Lucille Roybal-Allard Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
12/18/14 Bill Nelson Sen. (D-Fla.) 5
12/16 Al Franken Sen. (D-Minn.) 5
12/1 Barbara A. Mikulski Sen. (D-Md.) 5
12/1 Benjamin L. Cardin Sen. (D-Md.) 5
11/14 Terry McAuliffe Gov. (D-Va.) 10
11/10 Charles B. Rangel Rep. (D-N.Y.) 1
10/14 Nita Lowey Rep. (D-N.Y.) 1
8/5 Mark R. Warner Sen. (D-Va.) 5
7/12 Michelle Lujan Grisham Rep. (D-N.M.) 1
7/12 Martin Heinrich Sen. (D-N.M.) 5
6/21 Patrick J. Leahy Sen. (D-Vt.) 5
6/18 Rick Nolan Rep. (D-Minn.) 1
6/18 Betty McCollum Rep. (D-Minn.) 1
6/7 Richard Blumenthal Sen. (D-Conn.) 5
6/6 Bill Foster Rep. (D-Ill.) 1
6/6 Robin Kelly Rep. (D-Ill.) 1
6/5 Richard J. Durbin Sen. (D-Ill.) 5
6/4 Amy Klobuchar Sen. (D-Minn.) 5
5/22 Debbie Stabenow Sen. (D-Mich.) 5
5/4 Mark Takai Rep. (D-Hawaii) 1
5/3 Tim Kaine Sen. (D-Va.) 5
2/7 Ted Deutch Rep. (D-Fla.) 1
1/31 Joseph Crowley Rep. (D-N.Y.) 1
1/29 Joe Manchin III Sen. (D-W.Va.) 5
1/28 David Cicilline Rep. (D-R.I.) 1
1/28 Grace Meng Rep. (D-N.Y.) 1
1/28 Gregory W. Meeks Rep. (D-N.Y.) 1
1/28 David Scott Rep. (D-Ga.) 1
1/28 John Lewis Rep. (D-Ga.) 1
1/28 Henry C. "Hank" Jr. Johnson Rep. (D-Ga.) 1
1/28 Joaquin Castro Rep. (D-Texas) 1
1/28 Richard E. Neal Rep. (D-Mass.) 1
1/28 Sheldon Whitehouse Sen. (D-R.I.) 5
1/28 Brian Higgins Rep. (D-N.Y.) 1
1/28 Luis Gutierrez Rep. (D-Ill.) 1
1/28 Stephen F. Lynch Rep. (D-Mass.) 1
1/28 Lois Frankel Rep. (D-Fla.) 1
1/28 Steny H. Hoyer Rep. (D-Md.) 1
1/28 Janice Hahn Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
1/28 Doris O. Matsui Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
1/28 Jan Schakowsky Rep. (D-Ill.) 1
1/28 Jim Langevin Rep. (D-R.I.) 1
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1/28 Terri A. Sewell Rep. (D-Ala.) 1
1/28 John Delaney Rep. (D-Md.) 1
1/28 Gene Green Rep. (D-Texas) 1
1/28 Cedric Richmond Rep. (D-La.) 1
1/28 Danny K. Davis Rep. (D-Ill.) 1
1/28 Mike Honda Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
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1/28 Frederica Wilson Rep. (D-Fla.) 1
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11/8 Patty Murray Sen. (D-Wash.) 5
11/7 Mark Dayton Gov. (D-Minn.) 10
11/5 Tim Ryan Rep. (D-Ohio) 1
11/2 Charles E. Schumer Sen. (D-N.Y.) 5
10/30 Barbara Boxer Sen. (D-Calif.) 5
8/18 Dina Titus Rep. (D-Nev.) 1
6/18 Claire McCaskill Sen. (D-Mo.) 5

[rhett o rick]

155. While Americans in the 99% were losing a total of 5 Trillion dollars between 2000 and 2015

H. Clinton managed to amass a fortune of $50,000,000. Now some may worship the wealthy but wealth is essentially zero-sum. That means the greater the wealth gain for the super wealthy, the more poverty.

It's amazing that those that think she will help with social justice issues, don't realize that she is part of the Aristocracy that is interested in amassing huge personal fortunes. She puts on a good front but she is one of the 1% that believe that wealth gain is paramount.

[firebrand80]

9. The Washington Establishment loves Bernie!

I'm kidding guys, calm down

[senz]

10. Another reason why Bernie CAN make a difference for our country.

Trust is a rare quality in the higher rungs of government. When you do not dislike someone, you're far more willing to cooperate with them.

[Cosmocat]

27. They "liked" BHO plenty when he was the underdog to hillary

Parr of why I supported him over hillary then was I thought republicans would not be as big of jackasses to him as they would with her.

I learned a sad lesson from that.

I am voting bernie, but have no delusions they wont be the same as they have been for bho or would be for hillary.

He aint getting shit done through congress ....

[livetohike]

14. How would Rachel know that? If Hillary knows of some "enemies" should she have said their names? I

doubt right wing members of the GOP are best buds with him.

[BlueCaliDem]

31. Rachel was out for "gotcha", but she went up against a strong opponent - and lost.

Either Rachel is acting as if she's in the tank for Bernie in order to stave off the deluge of angry Bernie supporters (who aren't necessarily Democrats, btw), or she really is. Either way, Hillary Clinton came out like a leader, a person I can trust will keep the country safe and who is qualified to be the successor of the best president of my lifetime.

[1StrongBlackMan]

42. I suspect there are a lot of Democrats that wouldn't cross the street to greet him, either. eom

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[JonLeibowitz]

55. I suspect there are a lot as well.

[1StrongBlackMan]

58. And, or but, that's not a good thing ...

In a political world, your success, or more, your ability to succeed, is less about your enemies; and, all about your friends.

[JonLeibowitz]

62. yes, it is a good thing we agree he has plenty of friends on the democratic side

I'm just kidding around -- I think you forgot a "not" in your first post. Sorry for the joke at your expense..

[1StrongBlackMan]

74. LOL ... You're correct I meant to type "WOULDN'T" ...

The OLD fingers just don't go where I tell them to these days.

Sorry for the joke at your expense..

Not a problem.

[Samantha]

95. One's reputation in Washington follows him or her everywhere

It is a part of the inside-the-Beltway mentality. Additionally, Rachel is a reputable commentator and they make it their job to unearth information about people. She would have never made a statement like that if she had not been extremely confident of its veracity.

Sam

[Agschmid]

16. Just FYI should he become the nominee that will change really quickly.

We all better be ready for that.

[Marty McGraw]

28. Don't think as much

with the ppl in congress. Their PuppetMasters on the other hand...

[Samantha]

100. I think he is ready for that

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Additionally, I think we the people have learned a lot from Election 2000 (stolen in plain sight) and 2004 (purloined and later investigated, See the Conyers report for more information). The estimate was 25% of the votes in Ohio were "dropped" the night of the election. I believe people have been hardened enough to realize that if we really want a change in our government, we not only have to work for it, we probably will have to fight for it too.

It ain't going to be pretty, Agschmid, but you already know that, don't you?

Sam

[Agschmid]

103. Elections typically aren't. It's unfortunate but it is what it is.

[scottie55]

19. Bernie Is The Ideal

All politicians should strive to achieve.

Has something to do with telling the truth.

[Samantha]

101. Yes, when Bernie references he typically gets 25 percent of the Republican votes in Vermont

those same Republicans will tell you they vote for him even though they don't agree with all of his policies, but because they know he tells them the truth about the issues. That is a rare commodity in politics.

Sam

[Duval]

30. Thanks for an uplifting post, Sam. I wish

I had seen it. I especially like and agree with your last paragraph, and I'd like to add the Congress in with the Oval Office.

[Segami]

39. "He doesn't have an enemy in the world in the Democratic Party"...

"...and he doesn't have an enemy in the world in his home state.."

You can watch it here at 3:20 of video:

[malokvale77]

117. Yuck...

I watched to 1:30 and that was enough to make me retch. How many lies can one tell in so little time.

[Enthusiast]

167. Disgusting

[Samantha]

105. Thank you, Duval

I don't have much money to donate, but I do what I can by writing threads here to burnish the Bern! And we need the fresh air of positivism to flow through here sometimes.

Sam

[in_cog_ni_to]

32. And Hillary has thousands/millions of enemies .

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[Dont call me Shirley]

33. "He doesn't have a single enemy in Washington." The Money Shot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Motown_Johnny]

43. ...In the Democratic Party. The OP did not give an exact quote.

Close though.


Not an enemy in Washington In The Democratic Party.


I posted a link to the video up thread a ways.

[Dont call me Shirley]

45. Still......The Money Shot!!!!!

[Hortensis]

171. But virtually no friends or supporters either. Almost all colleagues

rejected his requests for endorsements.

And what kind of politician has NO enemies? Just being effective guarantees many will put you on their enemies list. Just look at this forum.

[Dont call me Shirley]

175. Bernies colleagues will get on the Bernie endorsement bandwagon.

[Hortensis]

188. Many will back the eventual winner, yes, whoever it is.

Rah, rah!

[modestybl]

44. HRC on the ropes... and she knows it...

It is stunning how HRC went from never mentioning Sanders by name to swift-boating him on his integrity and commitment to universal health care. Sign of major turnaround in the primary for Sanders.

Rachel has to "behave" to remain on a major network, so her questions and tone have to be friendly and polite, but she is sly with the follow-up questions.

HRC was clearly thrown off guard, and responded to RM's observation of Sanders being very well liked by his home-state constituents with essentially name dropping: "the current and former governors and the current senior senator support me..." How. Lame.

HRC's attempt to smear Sanders with an accusation of going negative (A. thou doth protest too loudly B. He is talking about money corrupting politics, didn't single out, or even mention HRC) isn't going to work. It's that believability thing.
And HRC ain't got it...

And even tho Dems still like Obama personally, there is a very deep stream of "is that all there is?" to his accomplishments. There was also a feeling that he didn't fight nearly as hard as he could have on healthcare, the budget, further stimulus, etc. He was always starting from midway between a moderate Dem position and the extreme Right... then negotiating even further to the Right.

We are done with half measures. This interview more than anything else has convinced me that HRC has Lost this...

[MADem]

47. He doesn't have many FRIENDS, either.

As evidenced by his super delegate list.

Just sayin'.....

[JonLeibowitz]

57. Oh, I didn't realize this was pre-school recess.

[MADem]

76. It's not. That's probably why you didn't realize it.

It's Sesame Street, and here comes The Count..

Let's count those super delegates, shall we?

[Beacool]

84. Based on the OP, hoe can you tell?

[Samantha]

106. Super Delegates can change their mind at the last minute

That is part of the problem that caused Hillary to lose to Obama.

Sam

[MADem]

113. You hold on to that hope. nt

[stevenleser]

168. No, it's not. Grantcart and others here had a running count of super delegates last go around

And the super delegates supporting Obama chose him early on. They didn't suddenly switch at the last moment.

[malokvale77]

119. "As evidenced by his super delegate list."

Shades of Obama.

[MADem]

122. That's just not an accurate comparison. Obama had nearly seventy super delegates at this point in

time in 2007 as a relative unknown, and Clinton didn't have anywhere NEAR the percentage of super delegates that she has this time around--if she had a third of what she has now, that would be a lot. There were more candidates in that race, and THEY had super delegates pledged to them, too.

So, sorry--shades of Obama (NOT), Not even close.

This is fairly recent history and easy to check, you know.

[malokvale77]

126. History is a funny thing.

Are you suggesting that the too early declared super delegates will oppose the will of the people?

I'm suggesting that would be a mistake of major proportion.

[MADem]

135. You don't understand how the convention works?

The people PICK their delegates, with their votes.

The PARTY also has a cadre of (super) delegates, and THEY pick the candidate(s) they want to support.

One group of delegates has nothing to do with the other.

The supers do not "owe" allegiance to the voters--in fact, the reason they are there is to prevent a crowd of overly enthusiastic voters from taking the party in a direction the party doesn't want to go.

The "super delegates" owe their allegiance to the party, not to you, not to me--they take a macro view. Their decisions are based on how THEY feel "the party" should proceed.

Not only do they not "owe" the voters, the voters do NOT control them in any way. Disabuse yourself of this viewpoint. They have nothing to DO with "the will of the people." Where you got that idea, I can't begin to imagine.

You completely misunderstand their role.

You do realize--speaking of history--WHY we have super delegates? Separate from delegates chosen by the voting public? Why the party feels that sometimes, the voting public fucks up and doesn't know best?

Let me paint you a picture:



THAT's why. "Don't blame ME...I'm from Massachusetts!" (I actually had that bumper sticker.)

No shooting the messenger, now. That IS how it works. Super Delegates do not answer to your "will of the people." They determine which candidate they believe a) Best reflects the party's goals, and b) Can BEAT the Republicans. Because we don't play in the Big Show if we don't win the election.

You have some homework to do.

Before you complain that "the people" are left out of the equation, keep in mind that they weren't even participants in the process years ago, in the days of smoked filled rooms. The fifty state primary process is a relatively new thing in electoral politics. Voters today have more 'say' in picking their candidates than they ever did in decades and centuries past.

More homework, here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_primary

History is a funny thing, indeed.

[malokvale77]

136. Because I'm too stupid, right. nt

[MADem]

138. I responded to you politely. I even gave you links so you could a) Educate yourself, and

b) Assure yourself that I wasn't talking out my ass.

And for my trouble, that's how you respond.

I said "Don't shoot the messenger," and you did.

smh.

[malokvale77]

141. My experience with you has been...

that you proclaim polite right after you were far from.

[MADem]

142. In what way was I rude to you? I took pains to explain every detail to you so you would not be

left in a muddle.

I think the only thing that would have satisfied you is if I agreed with your completely erroneous view of how the conventions are conducted, and what the roles of pledged v. super delegates are.

You're blaming me because you didn't know something. That's not my fault, either.

smh.

[malokvale77]

145. "left in a muddle"

Could you be more condescending?

Go ahead MADem, play the superior intellect. It is you who don't know.

[MADem]

146. You are DETERMINED to take offense.

Just DETERMINED.

So go on, then--take it.



Thing is, when it comes to the convention process, I DO know. And I thought you were interested in knowing, too.

How foolish of me.

[malokvale77]

147. I take no offense for myself.

I know far more than you understand I know.

I'm just tired from attitudes such as yours.

I do agree that you are foolish.

[MADem]

148. What does that even mean?

Your first sentence is cryptic. Snatch the pebble from your hand?



Your second sentence is accusatory--I have no "attitude." I simply don't support the same candidate you support--that's my "crime."

Your third sentence is yet another insult.

smh.

Thanks for laying it all out there, for all to see. Let there be no question.

[malokvale77]

149. What?

Now your not so smart.

Let it go.

[MADem]

152. "You're" the one who needs to "let it go."

149. What?

Now your not so smart.

Let it go.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

177. You've found the formula. nt

[MADem]

181. You stir the pot. nt

[Warren Stupidity]

170. If in fact Clinton loses the primaries and is nominated by super delegates that would be a

malfunction of the first order. It would result in an electoral disaster in November.

[121xGigawatts]

172. +1

If the candidate is chosen by the party establishment instead of the people, it would be used to show dysfunction in the party and voters would not turn out. If that happens, I think there is little doubt there we will lose the election.

[MADem]

173. But she won't 'lose the primaries.' No need to worry. nt

[Warren Stupidity]

174. So your stuff about super delegates was

a bunch of nonsense?

[MADem]

180. So, do I have to explain the way the conventions work?

What's with the "So" game? I can play it, too. And what's with the aggressive "bunch of nonsense" crap? If you don't want to discuss this, don't. If you want a fight, look closer to home. I'm too old for that "bunch of nonsense."

There exists a possibility, howsoever remote in this instance, that both candidates will not reach the minimum threshold to put them over the top, and lack sufficient delegates to win the nomination. This is where the supers become key.


Some light reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brokered_convention

[Warren Stupidity]

187. But as you said that will never happen. And yet there you were 'splaining us how

even if Sanders has a delegate lead from the primaries without the super delegates he can't win the nomination.

And 'round and 'round we go.

If the DNC/DLC/New Democrats/Third Way/Goldman Sachs Democrats use the super delegates to override the primary result it will be an unmitigated disaster for the party.

[MADem]

193. Oh, now you're just getting all nitpicky.

It's a highly unlikely occurrence.

There--happy now? Feeling on top of the world?

And 'round and 'round we go.

Speak for yourself, Warren Stupidity! You can go round all you want, I've better things to do.


Everyone here who so readily praises FDR as the "savior of the universe" would do well to realize that he was the product of a brokered convention.

The world didn't end back then, either....

[fbc]

49. Good post!

[Samantha]

108. Simple compliments on a thread here are like a pot of gold!

Thank you very much, fbc.

Sam

[Lucky Luciano]

52. Bernie Smith? Mr smith in Washington?! Nt

[Faux pas]

54. Kickin' with gusto!

[MoonchildCA]

56. I suspect what was probably going through her head was...

Uh, yeah he does: me! But she stopped herself from saying it out loud, figuring it might not go over very well.

[raindaddy]

60. Hillary really doesn't get it!

When questioned about her character assassination of Sanders over an ad that questions politicians accepting large amounts of money from Wall Street seriously regulating them. Her response is to name the Democratic party establishment's endorsements she's gotten. She's clueless as to the anger people are feeling about the current system and the people in charge and their desire to change it...

Also it's obvious she wants to start running attack ads and lying about Bernie's proposals so she trying to make it look like Bernie fired the first shot...

[INdemo]

82. Absolutely Correct.

Hillary is pissed I mean she is really pissed because she nor her campaign thought Bernie would be around long.
She thought that her millions from her corporate friends would squash Bernie's campaign in a few weeks following his announcement,
And now Bernie Sanders is about to take the first two primaries away from Hillary and Bernie Sanders is also taking away her dream of 25 years.She will do or say anything to accomplish her 25 year old goal but her prospects are dimming.
She is using Karl Rove and Dick Cheney style tactics and its going to back fire.

So You go Girl and keep it up while the Sanders campaign keeps hauling in those contributions.


Go Bernie !!!

[malokvale77]

124. Yes raindaddy...

She's clueless as to the anger people are feeling

and so are her supporters. They have no clue as to the flame they are igniting.

[Beacool]

64. He has no enemies just like Obama didn't have any before he became the nominee.

It's disingenuous to assume that because someone doesn't have any apparent enemies while he's battling the perceived front runner that he will still have no enemies if he were to become the nominee. During the Republican debate last night, other than being the usual circular firing squad, the two people who were attacked the most were Obama and Hillary. Why? Because Obama is president and Republicans think that Hillary will be the nominee. In the unlikely event that Sanders were to become the Democratic nominee, it'll be non-stop name calling. He'll be called a Socialist, a Marxist, etc. His age will also come into play. After all, he will be 75 years old on election day.

[Samantha]

109. It is much more sophisticated voting population out there now

They are sharp enough to pick up on these maneuvers and disregard them. After all, their education came at a huge price and now they are going to put it to good use.

Sam

[uponit7771]

162. You mean the electorate that has Trump as the GOP front runner now?! No, they aren't...

... they are about as stupid as they were 80 years ago

[Samantha]

120. The practice of ageism is a very unattractive thing -- it is a discrimination

just like the other many forms we sometimes see. I would like to suggest you take a look at Jerry Brown, the Governor of California. He has done a stupendous job and he is older than Bernie, something like nearing 78, I believe. I would vote for that man regardless.

I used the present tense of the verb "has" and made no references to what will happen in the future.

As far as the name-calling, who exactly do you think does not consider this standard fare in our politics today? It is not going to change anyone's mind to hear some of the mischaracterizations that will be made by players who want to defeat him.

Thanks for posting on my thread, Beacool. I guess we have no choice but to wait and see what happens.

Sam

[malokvale77]

128. Yes, yes and yes.

What you say and more.

[stevenleser]

169. Even that's not a fair comparison

Bernie had no enemies because in the senate he was that nutty guy who no one took seriously.

For someone to be considered an enemy you have to take them seriously in some way.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

179. Clinton's lies indicate he's someone to be taken very seriously.

She'll never be the President.

[stevenleser]

184. Clinton has a chance. Bernie has no chance of anthing other than handing

The election to Trump or Cruz.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

185. Clinton's lies indicate he's someone to be taken very seriously.

[stevenleser]

186. Plonk

[Justice]

67. The implication is what, with no enemies, Bernie will have smooth sailing in the general election?

I am not sure I even understand the point. Nor do I agree with it - I think Bernie has plenty of people in Washington who disagree with him and by definition today, that makes them Bernie's enemy.

[Samantha]

114. That is not at all what the implication in my thread is

and to disagree with someone does not necessary mean you create an enemy. I disagree with your post, but you are not my enemy.

The thread was created to celebrate what a tremendously wonderful candidate we have in Senator Sanders. He is not just a man who has been in public service for decades. He started out as a candid person sympathetic to the needs of the under-served by our government, for instance, soldiers being sent out to fight in wars and risks their lives for the wrong reasons and people suffering from poverty.

He is a man who believes the government should work for ALL OF THE PEOPLE not just corporations and the uber-wealthy.

Sam

[INdemo]

77. Bill and Hillary Clinton have 'enemies list' of those who supported Obama in 2008

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2555387/Bill-Hillary-Clinton-enemies-list-supported-Obama-2008-primary-feel-wrath-Hillary-come-2016.html

Any Questions?







Go Bernie !!

[Beacool]

79. Do you believe every RW talking point?

The Daily Mail is a RW rag (read their comment section). As for a list, every campaign has lists of those who support them and those who don't.

Please............

[INdemo]

83. There is also a list with pictures even.

Did you ever think Hillary would use Right Wing Campaign tactics?

[Samantha]

123. I knew about that list but have never read it

I just do not have that much time to waste these days.

I think though some people here might enjoy looking it over.

Thanks for posting on my thread.

Sam

[anigbrowl]

92. If you don't have a single enemy in Washington DC...

...then nobody there takes you very seriously.

I mean, not a single person has dared to challenge me for the title of heavyweight boxing champion. It must be because they all agree I'm the best, right?

[Samantha]

125. I am not at all sure your comparison is applicable here, but I do have to ask

do you wear that belt in public?

Sam

[uponit7771]

163. +++DING DING DING+++ I don't think that comment helped Sanders the way this thread is being

... rec'd

[randys1]

102. I would be astonished if some of the childish asshole teaparty newcomers dont dislike

Bernie.

Bernie stands for fairness, honesty, decency, civil rights, etc.

They dont.

[malokvale77]

130. Truthfully...

they only dislike him if they have to run against him. LOL

[Samantha]

133. That is pretty true, malokvale77

I am sure you are familiar with that saying, "If you want a friend in Washington, get a dog."

After President Obama was in the White House, he was given a beautiful Portugese Water Dog by Ted Kennedy. After giving the matter some more thought, Kennedy gave Obama a second dog. I guess he thought Obama might really need two.

The "First Dog" but not the last....




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bo_%28dog%29



Sam

[malokvale77]

137. Perfect...

I love dogs. I've had a few in my life time. Wondrous they are.

[Samantha]

157. I love dogs as well, malokvale, cats, most animals really

Petting dogs can be a source of stress relief. I believe I will be petting my dog Cheyenne a lot when the political dog days of summer get really truly heated up. It has started already and it is only January. Looks like a climate change in the political world is going to test the animal in us all. I am ready because I have seen this coming. I hope you are as well.

Sam

[Mike Nelson]

118. If Bernie wins Iowa and New Hampshire...

...many of those "non-enemies" will be sharpening their blades.

[stevenleser]

203. We're past the sharpening phase. The GOP has an entire plan of attack ready if

Bernie becomes the nominee. And it would be devastating. They're hoping they get the chance to use it.

They know they can beat him easily. They can't believe we would be stupid enough to nominate him.

[lobodons]

132. Nor does Bernie have any Fellow Senator Endorsements

No Washington enemies OR Washington Friends.

[Samantha]

144. I believe you know as well as I that that is political and not personal

Many of those Senators who do like him would never go on record for endorsing him while believing Hillary will win. It would not be to their personal future political well-being to be on record as not supporting Hillary should she win the White House. A great example of that is Elizabeth Warren, who is indeed his friend.

Sam

[raindaddy]

156. Given the fact that DC has digressed into corrupt cesspool that's a badge of honor

[Kalidurga]

158. Hillary supporters are already spinning this to be a negative

In another thread they claim he doesn't have enemies because he doesn't fight hard for what he wants. They forget a couple of things. The claim is he has no enemies within the ranks of Democrats and that most certainly was true up til June of this year. And that even Republicans that think he is insane for what he wants to do tend to respect him for being an honest person and he even has a lot of respect in their ranks.

[Samantha]

160. If Bernie does not fight hard for what he wants

what exactly is he doing now? Ask them that!

Sam

[uponit7771]

164. This doesn't have to be spun, you don't have GOP enemies in Washington then you're persona non

... whatever.

That's for damn sure, I don't see how Maddows statement helps Sanders

[JDPriestly]

159. Bernie is evolved. Bernie is a true "Mensch."

He is a wonderful, amazing human being. Humility, along with honesty, ironically, are his strong cards.

[uponit7771]

161. How is that supposed to be a good thing knowing the GOP these days? I don't think that helped him...

... the way people have rec'd this thread

[Samantha]

165. I am not sure exactly what you are saying

The virtue of being an honest politician has no value when competing against the Republicans? Being an honest broker in a political arena impairs one's ability to effectively deal with his or her opponent?

Perhaps you could clarify?

Sam

[slipslidingaway]

166. Surely some clarification is in order. nt

[ViseGrip]

176. Sanders authenticity is what propells him. Nothing can alter that truth.

[raouldukelives]

178. Honesty and integrity. If only corporate investors could buy it.

If they could, it would be hanging form her neck, bright and shining.

It actually works tremendously well when none of the others candidates have much themselves. When they come into contact with the real thing though? There is much wailing and gnashing of teeth.

[Stellar]

182. Hear, hear!!!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/rachel-maddow-hillary-clinton-sanders_569901f6e4b0b4eb759e124e

[Samantha]

190. Thanks for posting this article

I just finished reading it.

It is very surprising to me the number of people who have commented on this thread. I would not have thought that one's reputation in politics, when the subject is how does one comport oneself both in political and private life, would be picked up and celebrated as a characteristic overwhelmingly important to voters. We have heard so little on this subject in past elections.

But it is extremely refreshing to know that many, many people have singled out this trait as being super important. That is probably because they have enough sense to realize that if a candidate cannot be honest and trustworthy in the performance of his or her walk down the road of political life, there is no reason to assume that an election to the highest office in the land will change that approach.

One of the reasons Bernie says he receives 25 percent of the Republican votes in Vermont when he runs is because those Republicans say while they do not agree with Sanders on every issue, they know he always tells them the truth. That is very impressive to me.

Thank you for posting on my thread.

Sam