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Marty McGraw

(1,024 posts)
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 04:37 PM Jan 2016

Here’s Why Clinton’s Lead over Sanders Is Shrinking


The latest Des Moines Register/Bloomberg survey of the Democratic presidential terrain in Iowa contains some bad news for former Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton -- and some really bad news.

The bad news is that her once commanding lead over Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders in the Hawkeye State has shriveled, from seven percentage points last month to just two points now –which is less than the highly-regarded survey’s 4 point margin of error. Clinton leads Sanders heading into the Feb. 1 Iowa caucuses, 42 percent to 40 percent, with former Maryland governor Martin O’Malley bringing up the rear with 4 percent.

Related: Sanders' Surge Threatens a Replay of 2008 for Clinton

The really bad news is that Clinton’s decline in a state she lost to Barack Obama in 2008 has less to do with Sanders surging than many early Clinton supporters having second thoughts about whether to stand by her or shift allegiance to Sanders, the self-styled democratic socialist who has captivated liberal audiences with his relentless attacks on Wall Street and the “billionaire class.”

https://beta.finance.yahoo.com/news/why-clinton-lead-over-sanders-203900726.html
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Here’s Why Clinton’s Lead over Sanders Is Shrinking (Original Post) Marty McGraw Jan 2016 OP
Wow! They actually called him a "Democratic Socialist" instead of just a "Socialist" - props to the in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #1
What I am seeing in the polls is essentially a tie. guillaumeb Jan 2016 #2
Voters see Bernie now, they like what they hear from him, and finally dump Clinton for Bernie snoringvoter Jan 2016 #4
Media coverage, and the Internet, are helping. guillaumeb Jan 2016 #5
But for an Marty McGraw Jan 2016 #7
Well..with an established name, and presence, comes history. And positions. guillaumeb Jan 2016 #12
The reason IMO that Sanders numbers are increasing is that more and more rhett o rick Jan 2016 #3
and hopefully Marty McGraw Jan 2016 #13
Yes that sound you hear, is WHAT YOU SAID^ .. sinking in, day-by-day, to voters' minds. nt 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #20
Kickin' Faux pas Jan 2016 #6
Thank You Marty McGraw Jan 2016 #8
I just recently realized that is what I do, too. I appreciate all the junk they have to wade libdem4life Jan 2016 #23
If O'Malley faces reality, bvar22 Jan 2016 #9
would definitely Marty McGraw Jan 2016 #10
The way the caucuses work Z_California Jan 2016 #11
No Z, I think you are on the right track Aerows Jan 2016 #26
K & R !!! WillyT Jan 2016 #14
Kicked and recommended. Duval Jan 2016 #15
Vote for that which you feel is good. Vote for it, work for it, fight for it!!!!! highprincipleswork Jan 2016 #16
K & R ! TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #17
"Clinton supporters having second thoughts,...stand by her or shift allegiance to Sanders" Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #18
K&R - Sounds about right. but wait, there's even worse news for Hillary ... 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #19
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #21
Was happy to come across it. Marty McGraw Jan 2016 #24
because she doesn't have anything to run on besides being Hillary Clinton? Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #22
Would be smart Marty McGraw Jan 2016 #25
I agree Renew Deal Jan 2016 #27

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
1. Wow! They actually called him a "Democratic Socialist" instead of just a "Socialist" - props to the
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 04:46 PM
Jan 2016

Des Moines Register!

Bernie has more support out here than they realize. It's a movement that cannot be stopped.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
2. What I am seeing in the polls is essentially a tie.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 04:48 PM
Jan 2016

At this point I believe that the voters still favor HRC. The essential thing is for voters to understand how important every election is, and to actually come out and vote.

 

snoringvoter

(178 posts)
4. Voters see Bernie now, they like what they hear from him, and finally dump Clinton for Bernie
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 04:52 PM
Jan 2016

at the caucuses.

Marty McGraw

(1,024 posts)
7. But for an
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 04:57 PM
Jan 2016

established name and presence that HRC has, the recent Trend has got to be a painful one to bear witness to. That Trend says it all.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
12. Well..with an established name, and presence, comes history. And positions.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 05:20 PM
Jan 2016

Both have history, and positions. Now it is up to the electorate to decide who best speaks for the people.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
3. The reason IMO that Sanders numbers are increasing is that more and more
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 04:49 PM
Jan 2016

people that otherwise have been disenfranchised by the Big Money politics that H. Clinton is famous for, are beginning to realize that there is a real chance for change from the corruption currently strangling our democracy.

Marty McGraw

(1,024 posts)
13. and hopefully
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 05:21 PM
Jan 2016

a start and means toward weeding out all of the money induced corruption that have poisoned this once great institution. All we're left with is hope now and this choice for the people is a true champion for that cause.

Let's hope this is as affective as I am hoping for the down ticket votes as well. I have full faith in the kind of appointments Bernie and his cabinet would choose to fill all those appointed rolls.

Marty McGraw

(1,024 posts)
8. Thank You
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 05:01 PM
Jan 2016

I'm new with article hunting beyond the cherished DU borders. DU has spoiled me this way with all their wonderful posters here being so on the ball - Leaves one for not. (needing)

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
23. I just recently realized that is what I do, too. I appreciate all the junk they have to wade
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 07:53 PM
Jan 2016

through to come up with the topics that appear here. I just got tired of it.

Marty McGraw

(1,024 posts)
10. would definitely
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 05:06 PM
Jan 2016

smile in the face of his character and would truly benefit a long game. Really ashamed at how some of our one time esteemed representative folk raced in hap-haphazardly to endorse the anointed one w/o thinking of the future weigh down of how the public in general will view them down the road.

Z_California

(650 posts)
11. The way the caucuses work
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 05:20 PM
Jan 2016

I think a majority of O'Malley supporters will caucus for Bernie. In order to win a delegate, a candidate must have at least 15% support in any given caucus. If your candidate has less than 15% you can choose to go home/not support anyone, or you can caucus for another candidate. I have to believe most O'Malley supporters are looking for an HRC alternative.

But I could be wrong.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
26. No Z, I think you are on the right track
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 08:27 PM
Jan 2016

If O'Malley supporters wanted to support Clinton, they wouldn't be looking at someone like O'Malley - he's got a different philosophy than Clinton, and there is much to be admired about him. It's the same things Sanders supporters admire about Bernie.

As you say, we could both be wrong, but I'd wager money on the fact that O'Malley supporters will go all in with Sanders before they will Clinton. Clinton burned a hell of a lot of bridges in 2008, and unfortunately for Hillary, informed voters looking at candidates based upon their merits are going to remember those things. Those are also the sort of voters that favor O'Malley.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
18. "Clinton supporters having second thoughts,...stand by her or shift allegiance to Sanders"
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 07:19 PM
Jan 2016

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99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
19. K&R - Sounds about right. but wait, there's even worse news for Hillary ...
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 07:22 PM
Jan 2016

Hillary at 42% is if the caucuses were held today, which is also good news for
Bernie since he's the one who's trending, with no end in sight.

Marty McGraw

(1,024 posts)
25. Would be smart
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 08:09 PM
Jan 2016

if/when after losing the first 2 or 3 states she would back out and save some pocket change this time around.

Then again, I would take bets that she has heavy investments made with most of the large media corps. Nice friendly closed loop them folk are. Where else does all that friendly donation money wind up at.



Renew Deal

(81,855 posts)
27. I agree
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 08:29 PM
Jan 2016

There is no message. Sanders and Trump are the only candidates with a real message. This doesn't mean there aren't reasons to vote for her. Just that she doesn't have a message.

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