Between the Vitriolic hate so many democrats have for Clinton..

[busterbrown]

Which is certainly not in low supply on D.U.... and the manner in which the Oligarchs/Plutocrats will fill the airways with nonsense concerning Bernie Sander’s ties to Marxism if he gets the nomination. We are setting ourselves up with s scenario for a right wing complete take over our govt..from the State Legislatures to the Supreme Court..

AND THIS SCARES THE HOLY SHIT OUT OF ME..
How about toning down the hate guys!!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

1. Scrutinizing candidates before voting for them is the responsibility of voters.

"If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen." Harry S. Truman

[busterbrown]

4. At least 30% of our voters have absolutely no clue..

how dangerous Donald Trump. Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz are..thats a good start!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

10. They're pretty apparent in their campaigns.

But, this forum is about Democratic candidates in the Democratic primary.

[malokvale77]

49. This seems so obvious to me.

I never get the need for the boogeyman OPs in this forum.

[Smarmie Doofus]

31. My guess is that the unadulterated quote was "....get the *fuck* out of the kitchen".

HST was famous for his salty lingo.

Nixon even made sort of an issue of it ( "bad" language in the WH by certain, unnamed former DEM presidents) in the 1960 race vs. Kennedy.

[roguevalley]

36. ditto. besides, most people don't know about this place so nothing we

say rings farther than the walls. I think the fear levels need to drop. You forget that polls show no way for Trump to reach the white house unless hillary is the one.

[busterbrown]

70. Your Confidence is questionable.

Very questionable..but I will say it’s way too early for such speculation.

[roguevalley]

72. I don't care. Truly. But have a good one anyway. I am just not going to be

afraid again. No more fear. Tomorrow never comes.

[Indepatriot]

77. THIS!^^^^^^^x1,000!

[1StrongBlackMan]

2. When one sees folks willing to denigrate Elizabeth Warren ...

for not running for office and not endorsing a candidate in the primaries, I suspect you are correct.

[cali]

6. Oh please. Your claim is baloney. Criticism of Warren has been slight as a new moon

[NCTraveler]

24. They're like warning shots. Lol nt

[randys1]

54. Bernie supporters MUST hit the streets to campaign for HILLARY if she is the nominee

Hillary supporters MUST hit the streets and campaign for Bernie if he is the nominee

Anything less and we may just lose this damn election.

[busterbrown]

67. Absolutely..

People around here think I’m ant-Bernie.. Drives me nuts..I love Bernie..I like Hillary.. Thats the way I’m calling it.

[1StrongBlackMan]

73. True. But, I think some may have great difficulty ...

getting out their own damned way ... as they criticize others for acting against their interests.

[randys1]

74. You just reminded me of

THey say he was the funniest person who ever lived

[Motown_Johnny]

3. We have had 8 years of people crying "SOCIALIST" and pointing to a Democratic President.

I think most of America has become numb to the attack. It is to be expected at this point, and almost nobody cares anymore.

[busterbrown]

5. I hope you’re correct..

but I doubt it big time!!

[Motown_Johnny]

7. Don't you still see those bumper stickers where you live?

I see them most every day. Sometimes more than one.

I really don't think anyone cares about that anymore. This "Socialist" President did one hell of a job fixing a broken economy and his "Socialist" health care reform has worked far better than advertised.


I think the same social forces are at work in the aftermath of the Great Recession that were at work after the Great Depression (even though to a lesser degree). We, as a society, are ready to move away from unrestricted capitalism. Running a proud Democratic Socialist now is the right thing to do. He has been winning that argument for over 30 years. He isn't about to lose it to Trump or Cruz or Rubio.

[busterbrown]

8. But Obama never did anything to validate their fears

Sander’s has already called for" Medicare for Everyone”

And taxing the Rich at a higher rate!

Right?

[Motown_Johnny]

11. Taxing the rich polls very well, and Medicare for everyone is above 80% in our party.

Why would this validate their fears?


Politifact's numbers say that Bernie's plan saves a median of ~ $100.00 a month compared to what people are paying now, and it covers EVERYONE!


You can't run away from winning issues because some haters will scream about it. Increased taxes for the wealthy and single payer are winning issues.

Besides, it was Hillary who just proposed a 4% surtax on higher incomes, not Bernie.

[notadmblnd]

60. So are you rich?

And what would be wrong with Medicare for all? Perhaps some feel it would be beneath them? Not to worry, the elite will still be able to purchase designer insurance.

[highprincipleswork]

29. Doubt, doubt, cynicism, more doubt, and fear. That's what the oligarchs feed on.

Believe me, I know it's hard to believe in the midst of the relentless barrage of shit we've been fed since the days of Raygun.

What's the solution, what's the panacea? The TRUTH. That's what Bernie is telling, in most cases. That is why his message is getting through. The truth and an authentic adherence to principles.

I myself never thought Bernie would probably get this far. But I've long believed that someone of principle could take elections in this country and lead the people in a heartbeat. I am so proud and so glad that this is proving to be true.

The polls, the public outpouring, even in the midst of virtual media silence, the donations, all in support of what Bernie stands for. What more does it take to encourage faith? What more does it take to encourage doing the right thing and supporting this candidate all the way and continuing to support him after he is elected.

[busterbrown]

32. I sincerely hope you’re right..

I like Bernie a lot..

[highprincipleswork]

45. I do truly believe I'm right, but waiting and working for it to "demonstrate". I like him too!

[Indepatriot]

9. Perhaps if Clinton could go a few days without lying, and if her former employee DWS hadn't

fixed the debate schedule for her, then, perhaps, the vitriol wouldn't be so strong. Hillary and the DNC/Wall Street crowd have earned every bit of the loathing that is directed at them. Their time is OVER. It's time to take the Democratic party back for the working and middle class, away from the Donor Class. To paraphrase a famous Bubba mantra and put this in "Clintonspeak":" It's the dishonesty, stupid"...

[busterbrown]

13. Exactly what I mean.

Thanks for the sample..

[closeupready]

16. Well, then, maybe DU isn't for you. We talk openly here.

We're not having a kaffeeklatsch here; the result of this process is a supremely important one.

[busterbrown]

35. Nice...

WTF.. DU isn’t made for people who have different opinions than yours.

Are you not telling me that I am not perceptive enough? “result of this process is a supremely important one”
that I shouldn’t take part in important conversations?

Sounds a bit elitist to me.. Right wing media talks about elite liberals all day long..Think about it..

[closeupready]

41. You're telling us to bite our tongues. Sorry, not what this message board is for.

If that's not nice to say, then consider that you started it by starting this thread, buster. Don't dish it out if you can't take it.

[busterbrown]

65. You have proven my point..

Figure out... Bye!!

[roguevalley]

42. no. they are telling you that the tumble here can be rough. Just know that and be ready

ignore and trash thread may help. Some have the nerves for the discussion that happens here and some don't. I personally feel that if you can't take the heat, find a more comfortable kitchen. There is no vitriol here in this post and the other one. Just an acknowledgement that this is a bare fist place sometimes, no marquess of queensbury rules. Some like it, some don't. Some don't care. Just be forewarned, busterbrown.

[tk2kewl]

56. sorry state when half you party has that much distaste for a candidate

Tells me she doesn't belong in the race.

[Indepatriot]

76. Did I say something about Clinton that is untrue? She's proven herself a lying, power-hungry

Third Way triangulator. You think she's our best choice, that's your business, me, I have young kids to look out for, and she is the (second to) last person I want in the White House.

[Thinkingabout]

14. Do you know who set the debates to six?

[Vattel]

12. I wish Clinton were more honest. It would make it easier not to point out her dishonesty.

[randys1]

55. And I wish all GOP candidates wouldnt destroy America if elected, but they will.

[malokvale77]

62. This right here.

It is as clear as day to me, and I cannot understand why so many are so blind to it.

My brother who has a severe visual impairment (nearly blind), always screams for her to quit lying whenever he hears her speak.

[PowerToThePeople]

15. I do not hate Clinton

I despise many of the things she has supported over the years though.

I will never cast a vote for her.

[closeupready]

17. Exactly how I feel. She seems like a nice person, on a personal level.

But, that's it.

[nc4bo]

18. Just Google: Obama socialist. See how that label's been used

and abused by the 'cons.

Cool, eh? Problem is, I believe, you can only use terror tactics for so long before the label has lost its effectiveness or even worse (for politicians and their puppeteers) people start thinking a little Socialism isn't that bad.

'Cons and maybe even some Democrats run that risk.

[redstateblues]

33. Problem with that is there's video with Bernie

Calling himself one. That repug ad will write it's self

[roguevalley]

43. let it. he will rise like a tide over it on the backs of his zillion supporters. I REFUSE TO LIVE IN

FEAR ONE MORE DAY!

[haikugal]

80. What risk? Socialism isn't a bad thing...don't you know what socialism is? nt

[mmonk]

19. Silence is hard when someone is never heard.

[NCTraveler]

20. I think the general is going to be extremely tough.....

As far as the primaries, I still say this is one of the most polite ones we have had.

[restorefreedom]

51. holy crap...one of the most polite?

well i wasn't posting during 08 although i was "here"

guess i missed the fireworks

[NCTraveler]

58. I mean the candidates themselves.

As for here, not sure.

[restorefreedom]

63. ahhhh, ok.

i was afraid i was going to have to relearn the definition of "polite"

[brooklynite]

21. If it makes you feel better, the DU attitude towards Clinton is meaningless...

...and has little to do with politics in the real world.

[morningfog]

23. Except that polling shows she is not trusted or liked by most.

And for good reason.

[Warren DeMontague]

22. Hillary seems to have gone out of her way to run a mindboggling craptastic, low-information campaign

No one has forced her to do that, as far as I can tell, although it begs the question as to whether she's capable of anything else.

She could have come out and earned the support of people in the party with intelligent statements and bold, forward-thinking policy proposals, instead we've gotten things like "I have ties to wall st. because 9-11", "we need to censor the internet and not worry about 'free speech etc', while we pursue a mathematically impossible backdoor so no one can encrypt their iphones" and lastly, "Bernie Sanders wants to take away your health insurance".

Her buddy Debbie Wasserman Schultz- who, like it or not, is closely affiliated with her in the minds of the party rank and file, goes to the NY Times and insults Millennial voters while offering up a completely incoherent stew of tired reefer madness tropes, in the process of defending laws that put people in prison for using marijuana, never mind that a majority of Americans - and a CLEAR majority of Democrats - favor legalization.

Hillary and her proxies have insulted the intelligence of the people whose support her campaign needs, at every turn. Treating the voters like a bag of barely-sentient carrots is not a winning strategy.

[99Forever]

25. Your concerns are duly noted.

As were the couple of hundred times this same thing has been spewed out here before you repeated it, yet again.

[busterbrown]

38. And of course there is no anti Clinton stuff which has been spread around as well.

Right? Only anti Bernie stuff....Give me a freaking break.. Yet again.

[99Forever]

83. Is that what I said?

Just plain make shit up much?

That's okay, you've shown your true motives just fine.

Nice knowing you. Bu bye.

[busterbrown]

85. You are a good example of what’s wrong with D.U.

If its not your way it’s the highway.. You’re ego seems to feed your anger..
look into that.. Bad for your health..

“Bu,bye” Wow

[winter is coming]

26. I always love "let's not talk about Dad's drinking problem" appeals.

Vitriolic hate and utter disdain aren't the same thing. If nothing else, HRC's politically-motivated about-face on healthcare deserves all the criticism it's getting, as does her "cut it out" stance on financial reform. Hillary chose those positions. It's up to her to defend them. I'm not going to look the other way and pretend she's doing anything remotely acceptable just now "because Supreme Court!!!!"

[Bad Dog]

27. Sanders is not a Socialist.

He's a Liberal, at best a Social Democrat. If he was a Socialist he'd be nationalising the utilities.

Btw, the Republicans are going to regret calling it Obama Care. It will succeed and like the NHS become a National Treasure, Nye Bevan must be spinning in his grave. If it had been called Bevancare the Tories would never have been able to claim they support it, and wouldn't have won so many elections.

[busterbrown]

40. Dn’t have to explain that to me..

I love Bernie... The purpose of the post is how the right wing billions will portray him..and the dumbed down populace which will suck the crap up.

[Beacool]

28. Meh, who cares what they think here?

I remember that Obama was treated as if he couldn't do any wrong in 2008. Once he was in office and it became clear that he was a middle of the road Democrat, the trashing started in earnest. The same people are now touting Sanders as the savior of the nation. If he were to become president, he would eventually be trashed too. Why? Because Congress is far more conservative now than it was when Obama became president. What's Sanders going to do, talk them to death about income inequality? The Tea Party crowd in the House will laugh in his face. Expect non-stop gridlock for the foreseeable future.

[redstateblues]

34. You don't get it. It's a revoluuuution!

The bully pulpit will fix everything

[Beacool]

37. Yeah, I can almost hear The International playing in the background.

[stone space]

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[Beacool]

90. Who cares......

For a so called Democratic site they do love censorship, don't they?

I have never alerted, nor put anyone on ignore. I abhor censorship.

[PowerToThePeople]

39. A middle of the road Democrat

We have different ideas on where the spectrum should be.

http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/video/obama-considered-moderate-republican-80s-17973961

[busterbrown]

46. We need to stop a complete take over of govt. by right wing nuts..

I don’t care who at this point. Just stop the crazies who might end up privatizing medicare and Social Security.Imagine being in your middle 50’s with no health insurance..As the crazy fucks try to eviscerate the
ACA..

[busterbrown]

44. But at least the Dem Hillary or Bernie will be in the W.H.

Controlling the right wing nuts with their pens...

[Beacool]

47. Of course I would rather have Sanders than any Republican,

but the high expectations of many here are way over the top. I expect even fiercer attacks on him than what Obama had to go through. Sanders is more dogmatic and will be frustrated when he can't accomplish what he set out to do. The House will stop his agenda every time. The Tea Party crowd is just as dogmatic as he is. I don't expect much to be accomplished, at least not while the TP bunch is in the majority.

[Dawson Leery]

57. The activists had their chance in 2008.

It is now time to elect someone who can get something done.

[Beacool]

59. I agree.

[Arugula Latte]

87. And you think they will cooperate with Hillary Clinton?

They're not going to laugh in her face and worse?

You think gridlock will end if Hillary gets in?

I want some of what you're smoking.

[LiberalArkie]

30. I really do not think anyone here hates Hillary. Dislike yes, distrust probably yes.

Hate nope. I have seen many Democratic Party candidates that could have been placed in the "Hatable" category. Take Orval Faubus, Lester Maddox, George Wallace all good solid Democratic Party people. How about the Daleys in Chicago? There are many that fit. Hillary, Bernie and Martin just do not fit into that category.

As happened in the '60's there is a fight for the soul of the party. Does the party stay conservative or does it more to the left a little bit.

So we are again at one of those y's in the road. Does the party want to take the road to a more populist route or does it want to take the good old well traveled road with the business folk guiding us down their path.

It is up for the voters again to decide.

But hating the other candidate, no reason for that. The primaries will tell everyone who the people and which road the nation wants to travel.

[busterbrown]

48. Rght now it looks as though Trump mite be the nominee.

And he will have plenty of money and supporters..As I said before “scares the shit out of me"

[LiberalArkie]

52. I go back to George Wallace and others when they ran for president. They had a lot of loud

supporters, but hardly anyone could bring themselves to pull that leaver when it came down to it. He might accidentally be the nominee, but I can't see him winning the presidency. However if he did, that would tell us that we progressives or liberals have been living in a fools paradise and need to get out.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

50. DU is not a proxy for the Democratic party...

It's an echo chamber where folks have their own views shouted back at them and consequently think everybody thinks like them.

The latest ABC-WAPO Poll shows HRC with a 84-15% favorable/unfavorable ratings among Democrats and a 92% favorable rating among non-white Democrats. The latter are Barack Obama favorable like numbers:

Clinton continues to receive overwhelmingly positive ratings from Democrats nationally, with 84 percent rating her favorably and 15 percent unfavorably

...

Clinton still outpaces Sanders across all demographic subgroups of Democrats — most notably, non-whites (92 percent favorable) and liberals, with whom 88 percent rate Clinton positively and 74 percent say the same of Sanders. But Clinton's advantage in favorable ratings is clearest among moderate and conservative Democrats, among whom 80 percent give Clinton favorable marks but only 41 percent rate Sanders positively.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/01/13/poll-views-of-trump-carson-and-bush-dim-as-christie-and-cruz-rise

[Beacool]

64. Hear, hear!!!

The Left thinks that they represent the Democratic party as a whole, but they don't. They represent only one wing of the party. Among all Democrats, Obama and Hilary are quite popular.

[cheapdate]

53. Agree with you 100%.

[Armstead]

61. Have you been following the GOP? We're amateurs in that department

The Democratic primary process is a walk through the roses compared to what's going on over there.

[busterbrown]

66. Its fucking frightening...Ignorant ,hateful ... I could go on but you probably get my point,,

[Hoyt]

68. 1972 landslide Redux.

[bigwillq]

69. What is said on a message board has little affect on election results

DU is not the reason DEMs will win or lose.

[busterbrown]

71. Jesus! Its about the sum..

I bet every DU member has significant impact politically on at least a couple of people not belonging to our forum.Perhaps 3 or 4.. I know I do..Especially with the younger crowd..

[jfern]

75. The polls clearly show that Hillary is the weaker one in the general election

Worse head to head numbers, and worse favorables.

[hrmjustin]

78. I think Hillary will emerge stronger from this.

I don't know if DU will emerge stronger though.

[DFW]

79. While you're at it

You might as well wish for world peace, pollution-free oceans, and a permanent end to poverty, disease and Fox "News."

Oh, and a family of shmoos (or shmoon) while you're at it.

[valerief]

81. Where are your hate links? I don't see any hate posts. nt

[busterbrown]

82. It’s a political hate which exists..

I should have made that clear in my original post.. But then again.. I thought most would understand that..

[valerief]

88. Links?

[cherokeeprogressive]

84. Aww. Bless her heart.

[haikugal]

86. If we don't get serious about climate all of this means nothing!

I think Bernie is better for our country and the world...we don't have time to fart around anymore. We may have already reached the tipping point but hell, we do nothing!

This is what scares me....