NOT THE ONION: Clinton calls for new sanctions on Iran

[ram2008]

Guys, c'mon this isn't even funny anymore. Is this real life?

Hours after the U.S. dropped sanctions on Iran as part of the nuclear deal, Democratic primary front-runner Hillary Clinton called for new sanctions on the nation for its ballistic missile program.

Clinton on Saturday praised President Obama for securing the safe return of four U.S. citizens and implementing the Iranian nuclear deal, but warned that all concerns about Iran are not assuaged.

“Iran is still violating UN Security Council resolutions with its ballistic missile program, which should be met with new sanctions designations and firm resolve,” she said.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/266173-clinton-calls-for-new-sanctions-on-iran

What a joke, I can't even keep up with the craziness camp Hillary is displaying today.

[Wellstone ruled]

1. Holy cow,what gives with this.

[cali]

3. She is a neocon

[floriduck]

23. Zactly!

As are her followers.

Bern it down!

[daleanime]

76. +1

[BeanMusical]

165. Yep, a rabid, bloodthirsty one.

[Old Codger]

93. sounds like

Right wing talking points

[DhhD]

111. She is trying to drag Bernie in to more debates. Don't deal with her.

[cali]

2. Hillary tougher than thou and them.

[kristopher]

52. ...

[cali]

55. That isn't only disturbing, it causes vertigo

[kristopher]

100. Agree; that's how the action in the OP affects me too.

With words I can't describe how sick I am of war and its minions of mongers, but that gif pretty well sums it up.

[Unknown Beatle]

174. That's all we are, just another brick in the wall.

The wall built by Wall St.

[saltpoint]

4. Bad move by the Clinton team just

past two weeks before the Iowa caucuses.

The Clinton campaign is doing just fine with money. Why can't this woman hire some political advisors who know what's going on?

[mucifer]

8. She was secretary of state. This might be what she believes is right and not a political move.

We need to vote for who we believe will make the best decisions.

[saltpoint]

11. It is timed moments after the lifting of

sanctions from Iran. Not a coincidental happenstance, IMO.

[cali]

13. Yeah, and her record at State is my strongest reason for opposing her

[ljm2002]

22. Mine too, and this ices it. n/t

[DonCoquixote]

32. if she believes this

then she needs to be made to cease believing it. Of course the GOP will be worse, but we can, will, and must make her feel every ounce of pressure to cease and desist. It that means making her go through complete hell in the primaries, then so be it. This is why we have primaries, despite the efforts of DWS to make them a toothless beast.

[passiveporcupine]

88. They say you can't teach an old dog new tricks

Grams just may not be able to change who she is regarding her neocon, autocratic, authoritarian side.

Now, I'm teasing on the Grams and old dog crap...it's give and take, ya know? If she can pull it on Bernie, we can pull it on her.

[pangaia]

43. It might be, but..

I.......don't........think..........................so

[thesquanderer]

51. Even if it's what she really thinks, it's a political statement.

Remember when she attempted to dodge the question about the keystone pipeline, by saying she'd answer it if it were still an issue after she was elected? She does not volunteer any position that she does not think will help her politically. She's not in office, so any public statement she chooses to make--about something she isn't even asked about!--is done for the purpose of making a point to potential voters; there's really no other reason for her to publicly say anything about it. She has decided it would be beneficial to show herself as being tough on Iran, she thinks this will give her an edge over Sanders. Personally, I think Sanders benefits from this more than she does. The people who feel we're not being tough enough with Iran are probably voting in the Republican caucus, not the Dem one. All this does is reinforce the perception among Dems that she is more hawkish than Obama, a perception which she actually specifically tried to shut down in her "forum" appearance with Rachel Maddow. I guess she decided better to embrace it than fight it, that there's more benefit (vs. Sanders) in appearing tough. I think it will backfire, but we'll see...

[bowens43]

82. she was a shitty secretary of state...she was a lousy do nothing senator , she makes decisions

she makes decisions by wetting her finger sticking it in the air and seeing which way the wind blows.....

[Duckfan]

62. She is a Republican

Who else would say something so stupid like that?

Thats what Dumbsfeld, Rice, and Darth Cheney would say.

If she is moving to the right, be my guest.

[saltpoint]

66. I am a bit startled that her internal

polling indicated that Iowa Democrats want more sanctions on Iran.

I find that very hard to believe. To the point where I don't think any polling was done at all. Instead, it sounds as if some very powerful people are speaking with former Secretary Clinton's tongue, making it say the very things many Democrats don't like about her in the first place, myself among them.

Go, Bernie.

[Paka]

102. Isn't South Carolina an open primary state?

Voila, she is playing to Republicans across the South. Could her internal polls be telling her there are cracks in the firewalls ahead?

[Proserpina]

143. Like that's gonna happen

The GOP would rather eat broken glass for breakfast

[Paka]

146. She's just clueless enough to think differently.

I say, go for it Hill. Keep pushing to the right and show your true colors.

[Depaysement]

70. This is what some of her financial backers want nt

[saltpoint]

74. That's sounds plausible, yes, and it's also

very telling that they get her tongue to say these things in defiance of the Obama administration's negotiations with Iran.

If I want escalated tensions and fear-mongering in international relations and tough talk against Muslims, I'll move to Arkansas and vote for Tom Cotton. It disappoints very much to hear such talk coming from a Democratic candidate.

[cali]

5. Repukes will use this to bludgeon Obama. Worse, some of her sycophants

in Congress will take up the call, and doing this on the day Iran releases prisoners?

[Proserpina]

56. Obama snubbed Hillary, by refusing to endorse her

I think it's tit-for-tat, in the nuclear theater. So stupid, it makes for pain.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

85. Well if Obama wants to escalate to a full, unlimited nuclear war, there's one move he could make:

I'd laugh for days if that happened, but it won't.

[in_cog_ni_to]

96. After this move by her, I don't know. His blood has to be boiling after this one.

I really think she's mentally Disturbed. This isn't normal. She's CREEPY.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[DisgustipatedinCA]

99. It's abnormal, or it's just her right wing war hawk side showing.

But the timing was spectacularly horrible, and the Clintons never do anything by mistake. So yeah, I'd guess the President is probably pretty damned angry with her right now.

[tex-wyo-dem]

127. I think you're right that there is some ...

Mental issues.

I mean, she's the one who has been touting continuing the Obama legacy. With this, she's just spat all over a major accomplishment in his legacy.

She is really jumping the shark with this one.

[eridani]

142. It's way too early for lack of endorsement to be considered to be a snub n/t

[Proserpina]

144. Not when you're Hillary

That woman knows how to hold a grudge

[Fawke Em]

6. I would complain about her being a war hawk, but I'm more glad she's shooting

herself in the foot.

NOW, who, exactly, is campaigning against Obama?

[delrem]

141. David Brock and co., hard core supporter directly aligned to her campaign

via a loophole in the law regarding how PAC $ is spent,
isn't the kind of guy who gives a damn about consistency.

Hehe, that's to laugh isn't it?
These guys regularly check what's true on Tues. Thurs. and Sat., truth being a poll and campaign driven variable to them.

After all, she held her head down and ran for her life under fire from snipers, and she's got the scars to prove it.

[Warren Stupidity]

7. Can't wait to get the splain on this crap.

Clinton joins the bombiran chorus - that debate was a couple of days ago.

[last1standing]

9. She's too fucking unstable to be president.

I seriously wouldn't want her in charge of nuclear weapons.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

10. Hillary is carrying on Obama's legacy

[zazen]

12. remember last scene in Terminator II where dying terminator shows every personae

he's taken on as he's melting?

Of course, I wish her excellent health as she works for the Clinton Foundation after losing the primary.

But the metaphor is that this is getting sad and a little alarming. It's like she's flailing about becoming every personae she's ever tried on (and then some) as she sees her (and her partner's) lifelong ambitions die.

Isn't life good enough having done what she's done? She's got gobs of money and opportunities to serve and speak and write and a growing family of grandchildren. We don't want her or her husband near the White House again. Go away and live a good life. Stop flailing about fighting for something you don't need to make you happy and which is all about you and not about service anyway. If fighting to be in the White House turns you into this, it's not a peaceful, wise decision. Just. Stop.

[TheBlackAdder]

14. Hopefully, it's not a Tom Ridge "Code RED" call that will just benefit the Republicans! nt

[DisgustipatedinCA]

15. I like this thread in its pristine state, before they determine the talking points to counter it.

General Mortars and the crew will be along soon to talk about why we have to threaten Iran and how that's a good thing.

[joshcryer]

16. Stupid, a day before the debate.

[ram2008]

19. Perhaps a political calculation?

No one's buying her faux-progressive credentials, so she's going back to her warmongering roots?

Maybe tomorrow's strategy is to paint Bernie as weak and without strength, both in person and on national security. That's the only reason I can see for these two crazy moves today.

Her political instincts are quite awful though.

[elleng]

28. No 'perhaps' about it,

but what's the strategy? Maybe your suggestion, to paint Bernie as weak, but also, relates to Israel policy?

[draa]

110. I think it has to do with the general election myself.

If she believes she'll be the nominee, and I'm certain she does, she'll need to move to the center in order to counter Republicans. It doesn't hurt that she's Republican-lite but this is strategic positioning for the general election.

She still believes she's going to win the nomination. When you're over confident you do stupid stuff. When you believe you're unbeatable you do really stupid stuff. And crap like this is really stupid stuff. That's really the only excuse I can come up with for this.

[elleng]

114. REALLY stupid

will get her the nomination, she thinks???

[draa]

126. Haha, no. Maybe I wasn't clear so i'm sorry.

If she thinks she's 100% the nominee, or she is confident that she'll win like Mitt Romney was in 2012, or the Dem leadership actually is rigging it for her like some believe, then nothing she says during the primary will matter. She can move to the center without fear because she may believe she can't lose..

That's the only damn thing that makes sense with this single payer, Iran sanctions gambit. The base hates it, there's nothing to be gained in the primary, and can only hurt her. Given that it must be about the general election.

I could also be giving her too much credit and she could simply be bat-shit crazy. But I seriously doubt that because she's a very smart, calculating politician. Even so, this sanctions issue is just a stupid position to take in our party right now. Especially considering all the work Obama/Kerry did to normalize relations.

Hopefully that's a little clearer (albeit a little long winded).

[elleng]

129. Gotcha, and I was being somewhat sarcastic,

and agree with your 'She still believes she's going to win the nomination. When you're over confident you do stupid stuff. When you believe you're unbeatable you do really stupid stuff. And crap like this is really stupid stuff.'

[draa]

132. Ah, that's ok, my scarsam meter is down for maintanece.

Also, while I have you attention, I want to say how impressed I've been with your O'Malley support. I think there's only 2-3 DU'ers (that I've seen) doing anything towards Martin's campaign, but it's mostly you. That's damn impressive and I can't help but admire your conviction and hard work.

Ok, I've pumped enough sunshine up your butt so I'll go. Thanks for the chat.

[elleng]

136. Thanks, draa.

and as to sarcasm, there was enough stuff happening yesterday (saturday) to justify a year's worth of sarcasm!

[BeanMusical]

170. "I could also be giving her too much credit and she could simply be bat-shit crazy."

I believe that you're giving her too much credit.

[zazen]

17. so is she going to call a family member of Holocaust victims "anti-Israel?"

Can't wait for that one.

[elleng]

29. Sure is.

[JRLeft]

18. She likes war, death, and confrontation.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

20. Just like a reactionary.

She's pitiful.

[ljm2002]

21. Wow.

Just, wow.

I knew she was too much of a hawk for me. But this certainly illustrates the point to perfection.

She must be playing to Republicans. I can't figure out who else is buying this nonsense.

And, BTW, that shows how much regard she has for Obama and his legacy, doesn't it? But I guess since the accords were drawn up under Secretary Kerry, she does not feel bound to give her support and approval.

Just, wow.

[Kelvin Mace]

37. I guess she has decided she needs conservative votes

more than liberal votes.

Message received loud and clear.

[Marty McGraw]

24. is she forgetting

there's a primary (or just ignoring) and going straight to the rightie panderment (don't care about the grammer)

or is it just misjudging about independent's disposition...?

[WillyT]

26. R U F*ing Kidding Me ???

She's gone full-on NeoCon !!!

Bye Hillary.

[Duckfan]

67. I'm thinking the same Willy

Time to head back to that log cabin in Arkansas.

[secondwind]

27. WOW! She is more Republican than I thought.

[MisterP]

30. this is VERY undercutting of Obama's push for a "legacy," a Camp David accord to retire with

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(and especially a foreign-policy legacy that DOESN'T GIVE US ISIS)

she's probably trying to seize the reins already, to see him as already the ex-President no longer in control of the party; it's a power move to sideline him

and of course she's pandering to the neocons, who aren't really a constituency: in DC they're increasingly-senile dinosaurs, in the poll booths they're dwindling already, turning their nose up at Trump: these sorts really are worried that they're headed off to the camps if Sanders wins, just like Rand Paul said

[libdem4life]

31. Emotionally unstable.

[Duckfan]

71. I wonder what Obama thought when he heard it?

[libdem4life]

103. Probably something similar to WTF?

[Peregrine Took]

33. Who is advising her? OMG - whoever it is she should get her moolah back!

I don't give a rat's patootie - I'm a Bernie person but....what on EARTH is she doing?????

[Spitfire of ATJ]

36. Who's advising her? My guess would be the Saudis.

[restorefreedom]

104. would not surprise me. nt

[DonCoquixote]

34. what is funny is

Let's say she is the Machiavellian supercomputer some think she is (and I do not), making a statement like this is NOT EVEN PRACTICAL. It is not even a PRAGMATIC move. She bruised Obama by her book about "hard choices" my underminign his unwillingness to escalate to war with Syria. Is it turns out, saying "assad must go" was stupid, as he is actually one of the few counters against Isis. But no, here she is, ready to stab Obama in the back again, by trying to maintain the heat with a regime, that , oddly enough, is only hated by one other nation more than us, Isis, and is loved by the Russians, the bear that we woke up out of hibernation.

Apparently Hillary thinks she can kick Obama in the pants for foreign policy, and still expect his supporters to be silent without so much as a Larry Wilmore style "say what?"

[sarge43]

45. Yeah, but why kick at Obama? He's not her opponent.

Is she pissed at him for not endorsing her?

Is there a size able number of warhawks within the Democratic party?

This is even more bizarre than the health care faux pas

[DisgustipatedinCA]

89. She's going for Republican votes. Stupid, but there it is.

[awoke_in_2003]

107. Because of Obama

she is not now president.

[BeanMusical]

172. +1

[Spitfire of ATJ]

35. Her poll numbers remind me how much I miss sledding down a hill.

[Duckfan]

75. Yeah, And she must like going downhill REALLY fast

[davidpdx]

95. That is fucking funny

[Blue_In_AK]

38. Jesus, this is bad, bad timing.

Why would she say something like this when Iran just turned over the sailors without incident, effected the hostage trade and complied with their obligations under the nuclear agreement? God forbid we let any kind of diplomacy play itself out.

[saltpoint]

50. My best guess is that she's

meeting on foggy nights in DC parking garages with Senator Tom Cotton, who is advising her on the Iranian menace.

Similar to Hal Holbrook as Deep Throat in All the President's Men -- same kind of fog, same kind of garage.

It would be instructive to History to have a video of the meeting at which this call for sanctions was decided. Hillary Clinton has made a huge mistake here, IMO.

[hollowdweller]

39. I'm having trouble

I'll vote for Sanders in the primary but would still vote for Hillary in the general if she wins.

However some of the stuff she's doing lately, it's so 90's. You don't have to act like a republican to get votes. You just have to be honest and tell the people what you are going to do for them.

[EdwardBernays]

44. Her campaign manager

Is a lobbyist for weapons manufacturers and Saudi Arabia... Connect the dots.

[Kelvin Mace]

40. If she is elected we will be at war with Iran

by the end of 2017.

And invading Iran will NOT be the cake walk Iraq was.

[EdwardBernays]

42. Aside

From all the murder of civilians you mean...?

[Kelvin Mace]

53. Not quite catching the context

of your comment. Sorry, I am a bit tired tonight.

[KingCharlemagne]

131. Iran has some 1,000,000 soldiers under arms and 80,000

members in its Revolutionary Guards. Iran will make Iraq look like a cakewalk.

[Enthusiast]

148. They'll greet us as liberators.

[mmonk]

151. .

[BeanMusical]

173. Lol, with rose petals galore.

[A Simple Game]

180. They may have better anti-aircraft guns too. n/t

[EdwardBernays]

41. Who's surprised?

Her campaign manager is a lobbyist for weapons manufacturers and Saudi Arabia...

[cali]

49. No he's not.

Robby Mook (born December 3, 1979) is an American political campaign strategist and campaign manager. He is the campaign manager for Hillary Rodham Clinton's 2016 presidential campaign.

While in high school, Mook served as a volunteer for a teacher's reelection campaign to the Vermont House of Representatives. After college, he worked as a United States Senate Page, then returned to Vermont to work for the Vermont Democratic Party. He worked on state campaigns, leading up to Howard Dean's 2004 presidential campaign. Mook then joined the Democratic National Committee, and worked for Clinton's 2008 presidential campaign as a state director in three states.

Mook managed Senator Jeanne Shaheen's campaign as she ran in New Hampshire for election to the U.S. Senate that fall, served as the executive director of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee in 2012, and the campaign manager for Terry McAuliffe's successful 2013 gubernatorial campaign.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robby_Mook

[FloridaBlues]

86. Cali they don't let facts get in the way.

[EdwardBernays]

147. Not him

https://theintercept.com/2015/10/05/saudi-arabia-continues-hire-politically-connected-american-lobbyists-public-relation-firms/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podesta_Group

And sorry I meant chairman, which is actually wose:

John David Podesta (born January 8, 1949) is the Chairman of the 2016 Hillary Clinton presidential campaign

[WillyT]

46. Well... Elizabeth Warren... If You Choose To Endorse Bernie... This Would Be The Time...

No More Neo-Hawks !!!

[nilesobek]

47. This is low hanging fruit

for Sanders and Trump. It gives rise in my household as to question the health of Hillary. Hope she is ok but maybe she should get an Oldzheimer checkup. Sanctions against Iran have been lifted, they didn't work anyhow.

[SoapBox]

48. WTF?

Camp Weathervane is an absolute disaster.

2008...here she comes.

[Motown_Johnny]

54. I swear, she wants more wars.

I heard this on the NBC Nightly News and was almost dumbstruck, then I remembered what a hawk she is.

A no fly zone in Syria and new sanctions against Iran.


If this is the new path the Democratic party is on, we are all screwed.

[kenn3d]

58. Nothing has changed with Hillary's position on Iran

Published on Oct 2, 2012

[A Simple Game]

181. That laugh, the same one as when she said " we came, we saw, he died."

Just plain evil and shows that this person likes death and destruction.

[kenn3d]

186. Yes...just the same.

Hillary's character cannot be disguised. Just as Bernie's character cannot be denied.
Our choice is so clear.

[roguevalley]

61. i personally don't believe this can be mitigated to make it other than what it is

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undercutting the president is just odious

sticking your face into a process still undergoing with the intention of being reactionary and oppositional is just despicable

seeking sanctions when the country has made a mutual agreement and released everyone. Are they even on our soil yet before she said this?

And lastly, WTF!?

This is ineptitude of a scale I never expected. She's in a bubble and has no idea of what she does and how it looks. She will never get my vote. This is very, very unnerving.

[Voice for Peace]

130. Well said nt

[DirtyHippyBastard]

57. I hope she is ok

Because this sounds like she is losing it.

[juxtaposed]

59. what's next, invade cuba

[Kall]

106. You never know

The first sign of trouble this shrewd political operator has encountered in this campaign has resulted in her making some pretty Hail-Mary political calls. Better people find out now, though, before the Democrats run someone 60% of Americans view as untrustworthy in the general election after 23 years in the public eye, and expecting her to somehow turn it around in 5 or 6 months. If the Democratic Party could be spared of putting up a candidate with the political instincts to make up stories of being under sniper fire in Bosnia, complain about being dead broke when she left the White House, attack universal health care with Republican talking points and send her child out to repeat them, and undermine the Democratic President in diplomatic relations with Iran, that'd be great.

[Enthusiast]

177. North Korea.

[juxtaposed]

178. you never know, anything to sell a car.

[philosslayer]

60. Secretary Clinton knows more about Iran than any of us

Based on her previous tenure as SOS. I trust her judgement.

[saltpoint]

64. A good reporter might be moved to ask

John Kerry, who negotiated this treaty with Iran despite slobber-spewing Republican opposition, if he thinks it's a good idea to have a former Secretary of State calling for more sanctions.

Hillary Clinton has demonstrated very poor judgment in this instance, IMO.

[whatchamacallit]

65. Including the president?

[Autumn]

68. I think I'll trust the judgement of Obama and the current SOS on this.

Since they negotiated the release and lifted the sanctions.

[saltpoint]

69. I'll second that, Autumn. eom

[bvar22]

155. Does a former SOS even have access to all the intelligence reports on Iran?

I would suspect not.
Hillary is now just a private citizen.

This simply does not compute.
She has truly jumped the shark with this one.

[BeanMusical]

175. +1 Totally agree.

[Douglas Carpenter]

83. now, if that is not a paternalistic view of authority - I don't know what is.

I think the President and the Secretary of State knows more about the reality of the situation than Clinton, anyway and they do not agree with Mrs. Clinton at all on this matter. But that aside, the whole philosophy of "the grown ups know best," is the very foundation of authoritarianism and it is dangerous.

[Logical]

90. LOL, classic. nt

[senz]

133. Do you think she knows more about it than Obama & Kerry?

[stillwaiting]

137. I laugh when I hear Republicans say this about their people.

I cry when I hear Democrats say it about ours.

[passiveporcupine]

162. I don't trust her judgement and here's why

I think everyone is overreacting on this, and Obama just imposed the very same sanctions she spoke about. But the timing was critiacal and she jumped the shark.

I posted this in another thread:

Negotiations in December over the prisoner exchange delayed the US Treasury's imposition of the latest sanctions.

They were only announced once the plane containing the former prisoners had left Iran, reports said.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35338901

When did the planes leave and when did Hillary mouth off about sanctions? Did she know the planes left and the prisoners were safely out of Iran before she voiced her concerns that they still needed sanctions?

(CNN)A plane carrying three of the four Americans freed by Iran as part of a prisoner swap landed in Germany after a brief stop in Switzerland on Sunday, two White House officials said.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/17/middleeast/iran-jason-rezaian-prisoners-freed/
There was still one prisoner not on this plane, but:

White House officials said earlier Sunday that recently detained student Matthew Trevithick was released -- but not as part of the prisoner swap -- and had left Iran.

So when did Hillary make her statement about more sanctions?

Jan 16 Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton on Saturday praised the release of Americans held by Iran, but urged new sanctions on Tehran over its ballistic missile testing program.

"I am greatly relieved by the safe return of American prisoners from Iran," the former U.S. secretary of state said in a statement following announcements of a historic and multi-faceted deal between Iran and the United States.

She said if she were elected president in November, her approach to Iran would be "to distrust and verify."

Clinton added: "Iran is still violating UN Security Council resolutions with its ballistic missile program, which should be met with new sanctions designations and firm resolve."

http://www.reuters.com/article/iran-nuclear-clinton-idUSL2N1500QQ

Hillary jumped the shark on this and could have put the prisoners at risk, as they had not yet been flown out of Iran, if I'm reading this correctly.

[Fawke Em]

182. Probably not more than ALL of us.

Some of us, ahem, have a lot of experience with the Middle East.

[A Simple Game]

184. And I would have thought then Senator Clinton would have known more about Iraq and WMD's than I did.

But she didn't. Or even worse she did know and was playing politics with hundreds of thousands of lives. Sadly I think the later is the truth.

[Ed Suspicious]

63. I knew it wasn't the Onion cause this shit isn't funny.

She is Republican on foriegn policy.

[bvar22]

157. Hillary agrees with Republicans on much more than just Foreign Policy:

* Sanders has supported gay rights since 40 years ago. Clinton and Republicans have not.

* Sanders wants to end the prohibition of marijuana. Clinton & The Republicans do not.

* Sanders wants to end the death penalty. Clinton and Th Republicans do not.

* Sanders wants to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour. Clinton and the Republicans do not.

* Sanders wants to break up the biggest banks. Clinton and The Republicans do not.

* Sanders voted against the Wall Street bailout. Clinton and the Republicans (and too many "Democrats) did not.

* Sanders introduced legislation to overturn Citizens United. Clinton and The Republicans did not.

* Sanders refuses to accept money from super PACs. Clinton and the Republicans do not.

* Sanders supports a single-payer healthcare system. Clinton and The Republicans do not.

* Sanders refrains from waging personal attacks for political gains. Clinton and The Republicans do not.

* Sanders considers climate change our nation's biggest threat. Clinton and The Republicans do not.

* Sanders opposed the Keystone XL Pipeline since day one. Clinton and the Republicans do not.

* Sanders voted against the Patriot Act. Clinton and the Republicans did not.

* Sanders voted against the war in Iraq. Clinton and The Republicans did not.

* Sanders wants to Raise (or eliminate) the CAP on FICA deductions. Clinton and the Republicans do not.

* Sanders opposes unrestricted "Free Trade". Clinton and the Republican do not.


Hillary sure seems to agree with Republicans a lot.
I don't,
that is why I am a Democrat, and voting for a Democrat....Bernie!

[left-of-center2012]

72. Is she going for the Trump vote?

Or maybe Cruz supporters?

[PoliticAverse]

73. Couldn't a President Clinton just tell them to "cut it out"?... n/t

[Douglas Carpenter]

77. is she intentionally trying to set herself up to lose a general election? If you can't appeal to

independents or have crossover appeal to Republicans - all she would have left is to mobilize the base - which she seems bound and determined to turn off.

[saltpoint]

78. Evidently no one was around at the

last meeting to bring that up. She calls for more sanctions after months of painstaking negotiation by the Obama administration. Iowa Democrats voted for Barack Obama over Hillary Clinton the last time. It's as if she is reminding them why they chose him over her to begin with.

[Duckfan]

79. Yep. She is freaking out-bigtime!

[Purveyor]

81. Kick for exposure. This shit needs to be seen. eom

[Recursion]

84. OFFS

[AzDar]

87. What the WHAT?

[in_cog_ni_to]

91. Okay, her thirst for blood is getting really, really creepy!

WTF is wrong with her? When will her thirst for war, death and blood ever be satiated?
KEE-HER-AWAY-FROM-THE-PRESIDENCY!

She cannot be president. Her warmongering is out of control. She will have this country in perpetual wars FOREVER.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE <------------ We are so freakin' lucky that man is going to win! Thank the Goddesses!

[Aerows]

92. Hillary and her supporters

are smelling failure again. That's what is behind many of these interesting positions they are taking.

It's starting to smell like 2008 all over again.

But don't worry, the second she stands before another group in the next couple of days she will happily crowing about how she loves peace and how she forged it in the middle east.

[CommonSenseDemocrat]

94. This "Not the Onion" shtick isn't even funny anymore n/t

[davidpdx]

97. This is a bit of a shock

I'm not even sure what to say about it.

[99th_Monkey]

98. That she SAID this is not surprising, but what IS surprising is she's saying it in the Primary

I fully expected her to show her true warmongering colors during the GE, but NOW?

Not only wrong, but horrible timing on her part. Another huge mistake.

[Pisces]

101. I have no f'ing clue who is advising her, but they are destroying our only chance of the Presidency.

When Chelsea attacked Bernie over health care it reminded me of why I did not like Hillary in '08 and why I went with Obama.
This latest move is just stupid!! On the same day we lift sanctions and get back hostages she announces verbal attacks on
Iran??? Is she trying to get Trump voters and lose Democratic ones????

I can not believe we are blowing our chances. I do not see Bernie winning in the general, and if Hillary keeps up her dumb game
plan she will not turn out the vote!!! People need to be excited and at least inspired. She has shot herself in the foot with
the stupid games they played with debate schedule and by not allowing more people to run against her. They needed more
candidates to make it exciting and so that the losers could endorse her and bring their coalition!! People like choices. I wish
Biden had run, we needed a safety net in case she blew it, and it looks like she is doing her damnedest to fuck this up.

I am pissed! We have Supreme Court Justices on the line and possibly World War III if any of the Republican morons
get into the office. David Axelrod needs to go help her team ASAP!! I think it is time to call some emergency meetings
before things get any more of track. My 2 cents from a person who will be voting Hillary, but is not enthusiastic or excited.

[in_cog_ni_to]

115. Bernie WILL BE the President! He beats EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN in the polls by much wider margins

than Clinton does! Bernie will be our next President.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[Voice for Peace]

134. Most polls show Bernie's odds of winng GE

are better than hers. His favorability rises daily, hers slips. The trajectories are getting steeper. Be of good cheer.

[stillwaiting]

138. Independents are the ticket to the White House and they DO NOT like Hillary Clinton.

And, they DO LIKE Bernie Sanders.

These are true statements, and I hope that enough of us realize what that means we have to do.

[eridani]

145. The key to Sanders winning the GE is mobilizing the 63%

Those are the voters eligible to vote who did not vote in 2014. Clinton has zero appeal for them.

[restorefreedom]

105. so, the day before a debate,

and a couple of weeks before the first vote, she throws the president under the bus and goes full on neocon????

alrighty, then.

[saltpoint]

109. Kinda looks like that's just

what she's doing.

Actually it kinda looks absolutely exactly like what she's doing.

[restorefreedom]

112. i have to seriously wonder if her team is trying to sandbag her.

all the utterly ridiculous fails in just the past week....its almost hard to fathom they are actually trying to WIN

[saltpoint]

113. It is starting to look like an inside job.

I can't imagine anybody purportedly as shrewd as Hillary Clinton taking advice like this.

She ought to fire whosever's ass made the proposal. And if that person happened to be herself, she should terminate her campaign for office.

I think an interview with John Kerry would be very instructive long about now.

[ram2008]

117. I think she's listening to Bill again

Not the best idea

[saltpoint]

119. It could be. I have no idea what's

going on in the Clinton campaign inner circle, but if this is the kind of thing it's generating, the campaign is in serious trouble.

Really dumb move by Hillary.

[restorefreedom]

118. would be nice to hear from kerry.

i think they are all in such panic mode, their judgement is out the window. they can't believe its happening-----again.

[saltpoint]

120. Yes. The energy level in Iowa for

Bernie Sanders is very high. Evidently it's not s high for Hillary Clinton.

This past week has not been a series of wise calls by the Clinton campaign.

Since Kerry is in charge of the Iranian negotiations and not Hillary, I think it would be great to get his take on the current status.

[restorefreedom]

121. this article is brand new

and in it, kerry seems very confident of the iran deal.

gonna be an interesting week

http://www.timesofisrael.com/kerry-declares-us-and-its-mideast-allies-safer-with-iran-deal/

[saltpoint]

123. 'Will give the article a good look.

Thank you for posting the link.

[restorefreedom]

124. :) yw

[saltpoint]

149. restorefreedom, I did go have a look at

that piece. I think the coverage there does a very good job of the difference in how recent events have played out. The factions are known and the reactions of each seem to align with what could have been expected.

The Comments below the article are not terribly encouraging. : )

[restorefreedom]

150. thanks for your thoughts

i hadn't read the comments, though. maybe i am better off that way.....

[Jack Rabbit]

108. I had seen this on another thread earlier

But I'm glad you said this isn't the Onion.

By tomorrow night, all the establishment pundits will be ready to stick a fork in her.

[sulphurdunn]

116. Being a fake progressive has taken a toll on her,

poor thing. She'll feel better now that she's reverted to form.

[Kalidurga]

122. She is lucky that Obama is nicer than I am.

Because if she did that to me and yes I would take it personally I would hold a press conference on Monday. I would be endorsing Vermin Supreme and add that Bernie would be a great alternative for people who want someone who could actually win the nomination.

[sorechasm]

125. If Iran Sanctions is a pre-debate stance what does it mean?

1. Ignore the the advances we've made with Iran through diplomacy this week, America prefers to solve our problems with another Mid-East War?
2. AIPAC is my friend not Bernie's?
3. I was a better SOS than Kerry?
4. I've got KSA and the MIC on my side, what have you got Bernie?

Quite a mystery what she is thinking.

[senz]

128. She's trying to recover her "electability" in the GE.

Her campaign always trotted that out as her main advantage over Bernie, but now she's lost it. So if Republicans and pro-war Independents think she's tough and ready to kick Iranian ass, they'll say they prefer her to Bernie. And then she'll be the "electable" one again.

Nothing else makes any sense.

[KingCharlemagne]

135. I hope President Obama throws Hillary under the bus . . . on Monday. A fitting

day to do so.

Say "Hello" to President Sanders.

[Babel_17]

139. Well, Chelsea's lead baloon of an attack on Sanders plans just got overshadowed

Imo, the questioners at the debate were ready to frame any possible questions about that in a way Secretary Clinton wouldn't like. She'd have to play defense.

This now ...

Well, this is something completely different. It's about keeping our grandchildren safe.

This might be play well at the debate. Reporters are notoriously skittish about pointedly questioning the establishment in regards national security.

[delrem]

140. She's going to immediately undo EVERYTHING that Obama did, with Kerry.

And she's going to start out by throwing him to the wolves by publicly embracing Netanyahu, to stand with Republicans in mending the rift that Netanyahu and Republicans so recently caused. It's in her bloody article
How I Would Reaffirm Unbreakable Bond With Israel — and Benjamin Netanyahu
Hillary Clinton
November 4, 2015
http://forward.com/opinion/national/324013/how-i-would-rebuild-ties-to-israel-and-benjamin-neta/

It's a bloody disgrace.

[passiveporcupine]

163. No she isn't

Obama just announced the new sanctions. He was just waiting for the right time to do it (after the prisoners were safely out of Iran) and she jumped the shark and called for sanctions before they were. She only undermined the safety of the prisoner exchange. The sanctions were going to happen anyway.

Everyone needs to cool their jets on their hatred for Hillary. But she did blow this by undermining Obama's and Kerry's efforts to bring our guys home safely. That is what she should be called on, not being a war-monger for this statement.

[delrem]

166. Did you read her article?

I was disappointed to see that Obama actually did it, and that she'd been tipped off about Obama's move to reintroduce some sanctions.
Not least because Iran has a right to defend itself, and after all, the USA is selling hundreds of billions of $$ in weapons to Iran's enemies. It's hypocrisy. I don't see how any rational observer couldn't see the glaring double standard.

Also, I believe that now the USA will be going it alone on this reversal. Am I wrong? Unless I'm wrong on that, that too isn't good.

I'm not too impressed with how Obama carried on the PNAC "war on terror" without a pause. I expected better - esp. after his campaign on hope and change and the huge political capital he carried. But I do think his second term, with Kerry, was better than his first with Clinton -- and if you read her article you'd have to know that the Iran deal simply would not have happened if she'd continued in the job. That's the entire thrust of the article.

[passiveporcupine]

169. That was not my point.

Everyone is screaming about what a neocon she is for talking about more sanctions on Iran, when she knew they were already planned by Obama and Kerry. If she is a neocon for this, so are Obama and Kerry. I'm not up on the ballistic missiles test, so am not sure why that required "sanctions"...was it a threat against us or some other country? I really don't know. I just think too many here are too eager to grab anything to slam Hillary with. In this case she still screwed up by talking about this before the prisoners were out of Iran. That is a serious faux pas, and it should be being addressed, not her talking about the sanctions.

[delrem]

179. She's a neocon because of her support for the PNAC wars in the ME.

Iraq, Libya, Syria.

Her tight bond with Robert Kagan, whose neocon wife she hired as high level advisor.
Her statement likening the Iran "threat" to that of the former USSR, her cite and one-upping of Reagan in talking up her future war policy.
Her statement that the Iran deal (which had already just gone through and she couldn't likely directly oppose) makes it easier to go to war with Iran, for any minor infraction.
Her bond with Netanyahu, who is a neocon - her assurance that the first thing she'll do is re-affirm that bond - which the article titles as "rebuilding", which is how any reasonable person would understand her embrace of Israel AND Netanyahu together in the same breath, immediately after Netanyahu and the Republicans openly and for all the world to see opposed Obama on the Iran deal.

I mean jeez, how can anyone be blind to these facts - especially when she's aiming for the job of POTUS? How?

Her jumping in here on the new Iran sanctions is just a drop of water in the same stream and is hardly the whole reason why people make the judgments that they do regarding her hawkishness.

If you can't see that the neocon wars in the ME have escalated even further since *'s terrible reign.... I've gotta shrug. We just have different ways of seeing politics and the world.

[passiveporcupine]

185. I never said she wasn't a neocon. Of course she is.

But this sanction statement is not because she's a neocon. If it were, it would make Obama and Kerry Neocons too. She tried to use it to her advantage to show she had chops to handle foreign strategy, but she screwed the pooch by saying it too early.

Almost everyone in this thread is jumping on her for saying we need more sanctions for Iran, and oh she's just proving again what a neocon she is.

Sorry, this is not why she is a neocon and it is being made too much of, out of hate.

She is and always has been a neocon. But now she really did a horrible thing by potentially risking the lives of prisoners in Iran by speaking out too soon to try to make herself look tough for the right crowd. That is what we should be talking about here.

[delrem]

187. "this is not why she is a neocon" That's exactly what I said!! jeeeeeez.

Do you not care who you're replying to, or what they said?
Do you just reply willy nilly, regardless of the actual content of the posts you're replying to?

Why now do you say that my opinion that she's a neocon comes from "hate", right after dismissing every damn thing I said?
After all, I'm me, not "almost everyone", and you're responding directly to MY POSTS, not your "everyone".

Your responses to me make no sense and I now give up on DU - there's just no reasonable discussion to be had here.

[passiveporcupine]

188. I think it's better if we don't talk to each other

We aren't even talking about the same thing at all (I was trying to address the issue in this OP). You are too emotional and there is no having a conversation here. So nice talking to you. Go take a walk or have a drink or something. You really should try to calm down.

[delrem]

189. You responded to MY posts.

Totally ignoring what my posts said.

I'll put you on ignore since you reply with arbitrary accusations ("out of hate" indeed!!!).

[Gothmog]

152. I was pleased to see President Obama announce these sanctions this morning

[Beacool]

153. NOT THE ONION: Iran: US imposes new sanctions over missile test

The US has imposed fresh sanctions on Iranian companies and individuals over a recent ballistic missile test.

The new sanctions prevent 11 entities and individuals linked to the missile programme from using the US banking system.

The move came after international nuclear sanctions on Iran were lifted as part of a deal hailed by President Barack Obama on Sunday as "smart".

Four American-Iranians were also freed in a prisoner swap as part of the deal.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35338901

[Alfresco]

154. Today this thread reads like The Onion.

[Beacool]

156. It always did, but don't expect a retraction from any of them.

Hillary was Obama's SOS for four years. Only this bunch would think that she would deliberately undermine his foreign policy.

[Green Forest]

158. Hillary leaked President Obama's policy decision to puff herself up before the debate.

Crass Clintonian move but it won't impress the majority of Iowa Democrats who consider themselves Socialists.

[SunSeeker]

160. Hillary didn't "leak" anything. These sanctions have been in the works for months.

Negotiations in December over the prisoner exchange delayed the US Treasury's imposition of the latest sanctions.

They were only announced once the plane containing the former prisoners had left Iran, reports said.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35338901

She did not leak the announcement of sanctions, she merely expressed her desire that they be imposed.

And why the hell would "Iowa Democrats who condider themselves Socialists" not support such sanctions instead of war? Why didn't Sanders call for these sanctions?

[Beacool]

164. Still repeating that fallacious comment?

[SunSeeker]

161. Indeed. nt

[SunSeeker]

159. Seeking sanctions to thwart Iran's ballistic missile program is not "crazy" nor "war mongering."

It is just the opposite of war mongering. And it in no way undermines the Iran nuclear deal, but rather furthers the deal's aim of preventing Iran from being able to fire a nuclear missile.

That is why Obama just did what Hillary proposed:

The US has imposed fresh sanctions on Iranian companies and individuals over a recent ballistic missile test.

The new sanctions prevent 11 entities and individuals linked to the missile programme from using the US banking system.

The move came after international nuclear sanctions on Iran were lifted as part of a deal hailed by President Barack Obama on Sunday as "smart".

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35338901

If Sanders had the expertise in foreign policy that Hillary has, he would have called for sanctions too, and would be applauding the Obama administration's sanctions announcement today.

The ignorance of the facts by posters in this thread is truly astonishing. The orgy of Hillary bashing in this thread over her call to thwart Iran's ballistic missile program with sanctions as opposed to war is an embarrassment for DU.

"NOT THE ONION" indeed.

[humbled_opinion]

167. She must have made this decision

after she got a phone call from her friend and mentor Senator Mclame.... I'm sure all she remembers hearing is bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran.......

[PatrynXX]

168. some people I end up in fights with

always roll their eyes when I say I can't tell the difference between donald and hillary and this another doozy from hillary comes out. Great she agrees with Donald on this wonderful , she hasn't even been hiding that she's conservative anymore.

[BlueStateLib]

171. Iran: US imposes new sanctions over missile test

Iran: US imposes new sanctions over missile test
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35338901

[fbc]

176. Hillary wants to roll back all the Obama/Kerry successes.

[sulphurdunn]

183. Whoda thunk it?

“I will do everything I can to enhance our strategic partnership and strengthen America’s security commitment to Israel, ensuring that it always has the qualitative military edge to defend itself," (against people who have a legal right to defend themselves from illegal occupation, blockade and invasion.)

“That includes immediately dispatching a delegation of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to meet with senior Israeli commanders. (to talk about how to spend all those billions of dollars we give them for nothing.)

“I would also invite the Israeli prime minister to the White House in my first month in office.” (the same prime minister who arrogantly presumed to criticize the President of the United States over his Iran policy from the US Capitol Building after being invited to do so by republicans.)