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Did Bernie send out a fundraising letter making false claims of a "reported" attack against him? (Original Post) ucrdem Jan 2016 OP
Sure looks like Politico thinks there is evidence and stands by their story. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #1
So there's evidence of such an attack? ucrdem Jan 2016 #3
I just did. Politico was reporting on a planned attack. Are you confused by this? JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #4
You posted a link to a tweet with no evidence of anything. ucrdem Jan 2016 #5
Well, in case you missed the story... JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #7
The only quoted sources in the story are Sanders campaign officials Michael Briggs and Tad Devine. ucrdem Jan 2016 #11
There were unnamed sources. John Podesta also commented. #HillaryFail. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #18
But no evidence. And the named sources were Michael Briggs and Tad Devine. ucrdem Jan 2016 #27
Then why did Podesta publicly tell Brock to stand down? cali Jan 2016 #107
Because Politico published a rumor. nt ucrdem Jan 2016 #108
That makes no sense. Why didn't he just deny it? The campaign works directly with cali Jan 2016 #111
Brock did deny it and says this: ucrdem Jan 2016 #118
Who believes Brock? First he was an anti-Hillary gun for hire, now he's a pro-Hillary gun for hire. merrily Jan 2016 #156
John Podesta is not evidence when it comes to Hillary's campaign and surrogates? ok. nt merrily Jan 2016 #155
That's only "evidence" that politico thought something might happen. It didn't happen. So... George II Jan 2016 #147
Too bad you missed it 2pooped2pop Jan 2016 #75
The only named sources of Bernie's claim of an attack are his own campaign operatives ucrdem Jan 2016 #77
Then why did they call Brock off publically? You don't do that when nothing happened. 2pooped2pop Jan 2016 #79
The rumor happened. nt ucrdem Jan 2016 #90
so Brock got in trouble 2pooped2pop Jan 2016 #92
Once it got out it would need a swift response, yes, ucrdem Jan 2016 #94
Lol 2pooped2pop Jan 2016 #96
Hillary's attack on Bernie over single payer says otherwise. Kalidurga Jan 2016 #98
Are you talking about Chelsea's remarks? ucrdem Jan 2016 #100
No I am talking about Hillary's and her double down. Kalidurga Jan 2016 #104
+100. I'd only add that your description of the events were hilariously put and I was ROFL reading! JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #80
Ty 2pooped2pop Jan 2016 #97
Excellent summary of a huge fumble. n/t bvf Jan 2016 #99
You are misinformed. Clinton has not had "two brain aneurisms[sic]", or even one brain aneurysm. Tanuki Jan 2016 #112
Good catch. ucrdem Jan 2016 #122
I read it off of her letter 2pooped2pop Jan 2016 #130
You did NOT "read it off her letter from her doctor." You made it up Tanuki Jan 2016 #131
please don't call me a liar 2pooped2pop Jan 2016 #132
Don't post false information aimed at slandering someone, and nobody will call you a liar. n/t Tanuki Jan 2016 #133
This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalArkie Jan 2016 #134
here's one 2pooped2pop Jan 2016 #138
What is it that you imagine I would apologize for? You made a bogus claim Tanuki Jan 2016 #139
you accused me of being a liar 2pooped2pop Jan 2016 #140
You are proving my point. I actually did look up the information, which is how I was confident Tanuki Jan 2016 #141
No clots often result in anuersym so I'm fine with leaving my posts 2pooped2pop Jan 2016 #142
Nice try. You aren't doing your credibility any favors with this Tanuki Jan 2016 #143
My credibility with you? 2pooped2pop Jan 2016 #148
The truth will always have the last word. As to the conversation being over, Tanuki Jan 2016 #151
fine with leaving up inaccurate bulshit after being proven wrong- that's awesome. bettyellen Jan 2016 #152
I'm putting more up 2pooped2pop Jan 2016 #154
LOL, thanks for your concern. You;re going to hate the clamor for Sanders medical records.... bettyellen Jan 2016 #158
Where have you been 2pooped2pop Jan 2016 #159
I heard she was accused of some of her people thinking of using Bernie's records - and I guess that bettyellen Jan 2016 #161
Go away? Is this your forum now? 2pooped2pop Jan 2016 #162
the attack didn't happen. but your speculation- as if it did -is fucking amusing. bettyellen Jan 2016 #163
Mhm 2pooped2pop Jan 2016 #164
This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalArkie Jan 2016 #135
blood clot fine with me 2pooped2pop Jan 2016 #136
This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalArkie Jan 2016 #137
This morning. Hillary Clinton. Le Taz Hot Jan 2016 #121
Ask John Podesta. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2016 #2
Here's what Brock says: ucrdem Jan 2016 #6
I didn't realize fundraising when you opponent makes a lame attack Fawke Em Jan 2016 #8
What lame attack? ucrdem Jan 2016 #13
Playing dumb won't cover up the stupid your candidate just committed. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #19
Please post the evidence and skip the sermons, thanks. nt ucrdem Jan 2016 #38
Who made you King? Arrogant much? You're acting the fool. haikugal Jan 2016 #56
Brock Schmock ... Trajan Jan 2016 #12
And John Podesta told Brock to "chill" Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #14
Yes but where's the evidence of such an attack? ucrdem Jan 2016 #20
Well, why would Podesta, who in on HRC's staff Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #47
Because he was responding to the Politico article. nt ucrdem Jan 2016 #51
That is not how it's done. You don't give credence to something false cali Jan 2016 #114
Well or badly, he had to do it fast and that's how he did it. nt ucrdem Jan 2016 #120
Not very smart. GeorgeGist Jan 2016 #149
David is a rodent. Segami Jan 2016 #17
That's not evidence of an attack either. nt ucrdem Jan 2016 #22
Proven slimy piece of dogshit liar Brock. Up to his same old vile tricks. cali Jan 2016 #113
Vile tricks I'll give you. But who sued the DNC? And wikipedia? ucrdem Jan 2016 #123
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Jan 2016 #9
Check with John Podesta.... Segami Jan 2016 #10
That's not an attack on Sanders. nt ucrdem Jan 2016 #15
LOL! No, but it is a repudiation of Brock's planned attack! This isn't hard to understand. Try it. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #21
But I have seen no evidence of such an attack. ucrdem Jan 2016 #24
That may be what it looks like to you. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #29
I've seen no evidence, and the claims come from Sanders campaign operatives Briggs and Devine. ucrdem Jan 2016 #34
Any conclusion not relying on your baseless assertion that Politico fabricated the story wholecloth. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #40
Let me explain this clearly. madfloridian Jan 2016 #39
*Brock dropped it. Though it is possible that Podesta knew all along, that would be speculation. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #41
Well that's been clear from their first comment. draa Jan 2016 #54
I don't understand -- how is Brock telling the truth? Seems like Podesta/Politico agree he is lying. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #57
Brock is lying. I doubt John Podesta would lie, even to protect Clinton. draa Jan 2016 #62
Oh right. I didn't detect the sarcasm directed at ucrdem in your first post. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #66
It because right now Clinton is running a reactive campaign instead of a proactive campaign. draa Jan 2016 #76
Okay I can no longer resist saying .... Show me the money. ucrdem Jan 2016 #67
You will be able to see it on the air in NH & Iowa. Your campaign's missteps paid off for us! JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #69
Alright, here you go. draa Jan 2016 #81
You forgot. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #83
I should be mad at Cuba Gooding Jr for that... Kalidurga Jan 2016 #103
Can you post any evidence of this attack? Thanks! nt ucrdem Jan 2016 #44
I just did. LOL madfloridian Jan 2016 #46
That's a rebuke, not evidence. nt ucrdem Jan 2016 #50
And you know that how? There was no attack and none was planned. George II Jan 2016 #146
And they twist faster and faster in the wind....nt artislife Jan 2016 #16
Could make you dizzy Mike__M Jan 2016 #55
Christalmighy I swear some are being paid by the post. Le Taz Hot Jan 2016 #119
I think it is fair to say that this thread is a massive #HillaryFail. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #23
I asked for evidence of an attack. So far there isn't any. nt ucrdem Jan 2016 #25
There is reporting by Politico, with no denial from anyone but Brock (a confirmed liar). JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #26
No evidence whatsoever, no. Just rumors issued from the Sanders campaign. nt ucrdem Jan 2016 #30
And a member of the 4th estate. Don't forget that! n/t JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #32
They dont get lol Truprogressive85 Jan 2016 #35
Massive! Segami Jan 2016 #28
If Hillary pulled a stunt like this we'd be hearing about if for the next twenty years. nt ucrdem Jan 2016 #31
That's why she had her surrogate David Brock try to pull the stunt. Unfortunately it backfired. n/t JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #33
Except there's no evidence to support such a claim. ucrdem Jan 2016 #36
HAHAHAHA! JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #37
I'd like to believe the very best. ucrdem Jan 2016 #42
Thats why Hillary surrounds her campaign with rodents like Brock... Segami Jan 2016 #43
That's a comforting theory but the facts say otherwise. nt ucrdem Jan 2016 #45
Sure, sure....Podesta, suddenly decided Segami Jan 2016 #49
It appears the Hillary surrogates here have gone off the deep end JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #59
But still no evidence that Brock was planning to attack Sanders on age. Which would be inane. nt ucrdem Jan 2016 #63
We owe you nothing. Your demands are just that. Your ignorance of the Politico story--not my problem JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #73
We've established that there is no factual basis to the rumors floated in the Politico article. ucrdem Jan 2016 #74
Not even close! In your dreams, perhaps. Not in reality. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #82
It's like talking to a birther nxylas Jan 2016 #85
You established. The rest of us has already confirmed the attack. snoringvoter Jan 2016 #125
The royal We it appears. GeorgeGist Jan 2016 #150
So far, no evidence of this attack has been published or posted, and Brock has denied it. ucrdem Jan 2016 #48
sounds a little like the data breach drama underthematrix Jan 2016 #52
Yep. Tomorrow Weaver will be claiming they raised a million dollars in one day! ucrdem Jan 2016 #53
Thank you for your comment ljm2002 Jan 2016 #126
You mean the Rovian strategy still_one Jan 2016 #128
Oh ffs. TDale313 Jan 2016 #58
Fine, post the evidence you're so sure exists, thanks. nt ucrdem Jan 2016 #60
I'll do so when you provide some evidence for your baseless assumption that Politico lied. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #61
In other words you don't have any. Thanks. nt ucrdem Jan 2016 #64
The only way you would conclude that from my post is if you don't have evidence yourself. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #68
Thanks, we'll call you if we need you. nt ucrdem Jan 2016 #71
You will get no assistance from me. I will never support Hillary Clinton for any public office. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #72
What evidence are you looking for? TDale313 Jan 2016 #65
Actual evidence that Brock was planning such an attack. ANY evidence. NOT rumors. Thanks. nt ucrdem Jan 2016 #70
I don't know what to tell ya. TDale313 Jan 2016 #88
The named sources are Michael Briggs and Tad Devine. ucrdem Jan 2016 #89
Done here, cause you're clearly just trolling at this point. TDale313 Jan 2016 #91
Why don't you find something else to worry about? senz Jan 2016 #78
Because injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. ucrdem Jan 2016 #87
High-minded talk from a Hillary supporter? senz Jan 2016 #102
I can understand this desire for real evidence Mike__M Jan 2016 #84
No. nt silvershadow Jan 2016 #86
92 replies and not one rec... Juicy_Bellows Jan 2016 #93
... and still no evidence of an attack. nt ucrdem Jan 2016 #95
It is both quite hilarious, and yet when you stop to think about it, also sad. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #101
They raised money off of a FAKE story! #Bernie campaign NOT honest to its voters! riversedge Jan 2016 #105
So far that's what the evidence points to. ucrdem Jan 2016 #106
Bwahaha. cali Jan 2016 #109
Thank you for stating the obvious! R B Garr Jan 2016 #110
Thanks! ucrdem Jan 2016 #115
You are kind. Looks like playing the perpetual victim R B Garr Jan 2016 #129
so now candidates are only allowed to fundraise restorefreedom Jan 2016 #116
Oddly yesterday this board was full of Clinton supporters demanding medical records. Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #117
I think I will donate extra to the Bernie campaign today. PowerToThePeople Jan 2016 #124
Two word answer to false claims.....Hell No! Punkingal Jan 2016 #127
The evidence is the Politico report and ultimately the claims Vattel Jan 2016 #144
There was no attack. If there was, those "reporting" it would be able to provide evidence of it. George II Jan 2016 #145
I doubt there was such an email. I receive all of Bernie's emails, and I sure never napi21 Jan 2016 #153
Clinton campaign rebukes top ally Babel_17 Jan 2016 #157
Not to me, I get all Bernie emails. Heres copy of the last one I got. Sunlei Jan 2016 #160
Nope. David Brock fessed up Luminous Animal Jan 2016 #165
Kick! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #166

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
11. The only quoted sources in the story are Sanders campaign officials Michael Briggs and Tad Devine.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 03:00 AM
Jan 2016

And other than their rather dubious claims there's no evidence of anything.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
156. Who believes Brock? First he was an anti-Hillary gun for hire, now he's a pro-Hillary gun for hire.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:36 PM
Jan 2016

Spare us.

George II

(67,782 posts)
147. That's only "evidence" that politico thought something might happen. It didn't happen. So...
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 10:31 PM
Jan 2016

....politico was wrong but is too stubborn to admit.

The "demand" never happened and there is no evidence that it was even planned. It's as simple as that.

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
75. Too bad you missed it
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 04:12 AM
Jan 2016

It was great fun. What appears to have happened is that the Hillary side decided to question Bernie's age and health. Then it became a much bigger deal that Clinton has had two brain aneurisms, has a family history of stroke and is on a lifelong treatment of a blood thinning medication that can cause brain bleed and death. So it would seem that feeling like they may have opened the wrong can of worms they acted like they knew nothing about it and supposedly rebuked the "responsible" party stating something like after all this is a race for the presidency not about medical records.

Extremely funny. However for myself and I'm sure many others, the questions about Hillary's fitness to run let alone win the presidency is now in deep question.

As for Bernie he said only that there was a supposed question on his health and encouraged people to ask Hillary to keep to the issues.

1) I'm sure that many are going to claim that Hillary knew nothing of the plan to raise question to Bernie's age. I say bullshit on that.
2) Bernie did not attack her own health as he should have. The planned attack against Bernie was real or someone wouldn't have needed to be told to back off.
3) her health issues may be a game changer.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
77. The only named sources of Bernie's claim of an attack are his own campaign operatives
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 04:17 AM
Jan 2016

Michael Briggs and Tad Devine. There is no other evidence that Brock was planning an attack on his age. And that's the only point I'm making.

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
79. Then why did they call Brock off publically? You don't do that when nothing happened.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 04:21 AM
Jan 2016

Nice try though. And it still leaves Hillary's health issues out there. She sounds very high risk to me.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
94. Once it got out it would need a swift response, yes,
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 04:40 AM
Jan 2016

whether or not it was true. And seriously, there's not a chance in hell that Brock or anyone in the Clinton campaign would consider such an idiotic attack.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
100. Are you talking about Chelsea's remarks?
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 05:00 AM
Jan 2016

If so she wasn't attacking Bernie on single payer, but on his readiness to abolish ACA and other hard-fought programs.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
104. No I am talking about Hillary's and her double down.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 05:04 AM
Jan 2016

And I could care f'all for ACA if it is replaced by single payer or medicare for all.

Tanuki

(14,914 posts)
112. You are misinformed. Clinton has not had "two brain aneurisms[sic]", or even one brain aneurysm.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:25 AM
Jan 2016

She did have a blood clot, not IN the brain, but in the vein BETWEEN the brain and the skull, and this was successfully resolved by treatment with a blood thinner. The clot resulted when she fell and struck her head while dehydrated from a stomach virus. I hope this clears things up for you. I know many were confused by Karl Rove's unfounded allegations of "brain damage." I am always sorry to see Democrats become unwitting carriers of right wing propaganda and smears.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/31/politics/hillary-clinton-hospitalized/index.html

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
130. I read it off of her letter
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:55 AM
Jan 2016

From her doctor. Of course I didn't contact her doctor to see if that was the correct letter. I followed a link here on du posted by one of her supporters trying to prove that she released a medical report. If I find it again I will post it.

Tanuki

(14,914 posts)
131. You did NOT "read it off her letter from her doctor." You made it up
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 11:08 AM
Jan 2016

or copied it from someone else who made it up. Stop lying about this. She did NOT have a brain aneurysm!

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
132. please don't call me a liar
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 11:17 AM
Jan 2016

Like I said I followed a link from a Hillary supporter right here on du, trying to prove that Hillary released her records. I assumed the site was ok since one of your own Hillary supporters posted it.

If I can find it, I will post it. Prior to reading it I called her condition blood clots, which by the way also can lead to stroke. And clots are treated with coumadin. Blood thinner.

But keep your name calling to yourself please.

Response to Tanuki (Reply #131)

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
138. here's one
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 05:46 PM
Jan 2016

I don't know if this is the same one I read it from but this link was posted also by a Hillary supporter. So, an apology will be expected. You called me a liar.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/hillary-clinton-medical-records

Tanuki

(14,914 posts)
139. What is it that you imagine I would apologize for? You made a bogus claim
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 08:59 PM
Jan 2016

in multiple threads, including this one, that HRC had suffered two brain aneurysms. After I corrected your error, you doubled down and claimed that you read it in a letter from her doctor. As I said above, you did not read anything about one, much less two aneurysms in any such letter. You either made it up or copied it from someone else who did. Once you had been provided with accurate information both by me and Liberal Arkie, the honest thing to have done would have been to delete the false information from your posts, but you have not done that. There is nothing about aneurysms in the link you just posted, so I am not sure what your point was in acting like you are owed some sort of apology.

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
140. you accused me of being a liar
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 09:10 PM
Jan 2016

a trait I have noticed among several Hillary supporters. Yes I got it wrong on aneurysms but I am sure I saw that somewhere or would not have changed it from blood clot.

I guess I will be ok that you are going to be one of those Hillary supporters that squawk liar liar, show me show me, but refuse to look anything up to see the truth. ok then. I thought so anyway.

I gave you the link to the letter. aneurysms and clots really have similar results making her, in my opinion, a high risk.

I had used the term blood clot prior to one of the Hillary supporters linking to the letter.

blood clot, aneurysm, still stroke stroke. HIGH RISK!!

Tanuki

(14,914 posts)
141. You are proving my point. I actually did look up the information, which is how I was confident
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 09:37 PM
Jan 2016

in challenging your false assertion that she had experienced "two brain aneurysms." I had already looked up the letter and was well aware of what it did and did not say. Perhaps you were confused by some of the big words the doctor used in her letter. If so, bless your little heart. Perhaps this will teach you to look things up so you don't embarrass yourself. Then you won't be reduced to dismissing factual information as "squawk." It's lamentable that you don't seem to have a very high regard for truthfulness and accuracy in your posts. Speaking of which, now that your odd gambit of asking for an apology for being correct has failed, are you going to delete the false information you posted in multiple threads about Clinton's medical history? I can only imagine the outcry that would ensue if a Clinton supporter were to pull a similar stunt when Sanders" medical history is released.

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
142. No clots often result in anuersym so I'm fine with leaving my posts
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 09:52 PM
Jan 2016

I believe your accusation of list was about whether I saw the letter. Now you say you saw the letter. So again, an apology is owed but I won't be expecting it. I guess I could delete my posts when I get that apology.
Good day to you.

And she is still at high risk with her history, her meds, and her genetics.

Tanuki

(14,914 posts)
143. Nice try. You aren't doing your credibility any favors with this
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 10:05 PM
Jan 2016

Anyone can look at this subthread and reach their own conclusion. Again, I can only imagine the reaction around here if someone makes up crap about Sanders' medical history, claims it was in his doctor's letter after getting called out on it, and then tries to weasel out of it by throwing shade on the person who set the record straight and feigning wounded umbrage.

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
148. My credibility with you?
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 10:42 PM
Jan 2016

Lol. Look we both know you were out of line. You are not big enough to admit it so we will just say goodbye. I know you can't quit without getting in the last word, so go ahead. Enjoy it. And once again, this conversation is over.

Tanuki

(14,914 posts)
151. The truth will always have the last word. As to the conversation being over,
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:03 PM
Jan 2016

maybe this will teach you not to start something you can't finish.

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
154. I'm putting more up
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:22 PM
Jan 2016

Blood clots and the genetics of stroke and heart disease coupled with long term or life long coumadin treatment is a very very serious concern that more should be aware of.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
158. LOL, thanks for your concern. You;re going to hate the clamor for Sanders medical records....
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:53 PM
Jan 2016

and probably not be self aware enough to realize you helped bring it on.
Any conversation about the candidates "vitality" will leave you pretty upset is my guess. Have at it if you must.

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
159. Where have you been
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 12:00 AM
Jan 2016

Hillary's team opened that can of worms already and that's how all of her medical problems came out. Then they quickly shut it down realizing they were on the losing end. I' d put up Sanders health to Hillary's any day.

You should probably be more up to date on what's going on before you try to intimidate people.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
161. I heard she was accused of some of her people thinking of using Bernie's records - and I guess that
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 04:40 PM
Jan 2016

is enough for you to peddle as having happened? Seriously, go away.

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
162. Go away? Is this your forum now?
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 05:49 PM
Jan 2016

No one prodded you to reply to me. You guys are getting desperate or is it deja vu?

And yes, I'm absolutely sure that Hillary knew nothing of that planned attack because that's how she rolls right? In the dark Andy aware? Mhm.

Response to 2pooped2pop (Reply #130)

Response to 2pooped2pop (Reply #136)

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
8. I didn't realize fundraising when you opponent makes a lame attack
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 02:58 AM
Jan 2016

was "bad."

In fact, I kind of thought that your base defending your campaign was what naturally happens.

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
56. Who made you King? Arrogant much? You're acting the fool.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 03:46 AM
Jan 2016

If you have something to say get on with it.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
20. Yes but where's the evidence of such an attack?
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 03:03 AM
Jan 2016

So far we have Michael Briggs and Tad Devine pointing to their red badges of courage and that's about it in the evidence department.

Response to ucrdem (Original post)

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
10. Check with John Podesta....
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 02:59 AM
Jan 2016
John Podesta

@johnpodesta

.@davidbrockdc:

Chill out. We're fighting on who would make a better President, not on who has a better Physical Fitness Test.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
29. That may be what it looks like to you.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 03:08 AM
Jan 2016

I of course marvel at the mental process that led you to such a thoughtful conclusion.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
34. I've seen no evidence, and the claims come from Sanders campaign operatives Briggs and Devine.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 03:12 AM
Jan 2016

What conclusion would you like me come to?

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
40. Any conclusion not relying on your baseless assertion that Politico fabricated the story wholecloth.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 03:18 AM
Jan 2016

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
39. Let me explain this clearly.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 03:17 AM
Jan 2016

Brock was going to attack Bernie over his medical records. Luckily John Podesta with the Hillary campaign told Brock to chill.

So yes something nefarious was planned and Podesta stopped it.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
41. *Brock dropped it. Though it is possible that Podesta knew all along, that would be speculation.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 03:19 AM
Jan 2016

Of course, this poster is not actually interested in what really happened, as all the comments here show.

draa

(975 posts)
54. Well that's been clear from their first comment.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 03:37 AM
Jan 2016

What I find funny is Politico and John Podesta and both lying while the GOP scum turned political opportunist David Brock is the one telling the truth. David Brock, a man who John Podesta wouldn't flush from his toilet for fear it wreck the house. Yes, that David Brock.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
57. I don't understand -- how is Brock telling the truth? Seems like Podesta/Politico agree he is lying.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 03:48 AM
Jan 2016

draa

(975 posts)
62. Brock is lying. I doubt John Podesta would lie, even to protect Clinton.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 03:53 AM
Jan 2016

I also doubt he's publish a tweet that wasn't even based in fact. That's just not John.

His tweet said all I need to hear. He's an honest man and if he says that something was about to happen then I believe him. Especially over a shitstain like Brock.

edit: lol, I reread my previous post and I could have been clearer with what I was trying to say. Hopefully you get a better understanding with this comment.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
66. Oh right. I didn't detect the sarcasm directed at ucrdem in your first post.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 03:56 AM
Jan 2016

Absolutely, the whole episode is darn amusing. I'm just surprised certain surrogates have chosen to keep this issue alive by trying to smear Sanders with "opportunism". If I were them I'd let the issue be forgotten as it is certainly not advantageous to Team Weathervane.

But I won't stop them from shooting themselves in the face.

draa

(975 posts)
76. It because right now Clinton is running a reactive campaign instead of a proactive campaign.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 04:16 AM
Jan 2016

Sanders is dictating nearly every aspect of the discussion. Every time she says something about Bernie the media eviscerates her and he raises record cash. He's like the Teflon Don. Nothing sticks and the attacks usually backfire.

She also keeps trying to attack a position of strength from a position of weakness. That never works.

Whether in war or in politics (both are quite similar in tactics) you don't attack your enemy's strength. Not unless it's your last resort anyway. Now, it might be possible that she's desperate and she sees no other choice but as Sun Zhu said, if the enemy gets to your gate you've lost the battle. Right now Bernie is at the gate and she's on the attack. Too bad for her the attacks will likely fail because she ignored him for too long.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
69. You will be able to see it on the air in NH & Iowa. Your campaign's missteps paid off for us!
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 03:58 AM
Jan 2016

THANK YOU!

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
103. I should be mad at Cuba Gooding Jr for that...
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 05:03 AM
Jan 2016

That clip is why I went to see a stupid chick flick instead of the sports drama I was expecting.

Mike__M

(1,052 posts)
55. Could make you dizzy
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 03:40 AM
Jan 2016

if you weren't able to convince yourself of the plausibility of your denial of the either the twisting or the wind.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
119. Christalmighy I swear some are being paid by the post.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:37 AM
Jan 2016

I'd hate to think the poster actually believes these inanities.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
26. There is reporting by Politico, with no denial from anyone but Brock (a confirmed liar).
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 03:07 AM
Jan 2016

A major editor at Politico called Brock out as a liar on Twitter. Podesta chided Brock on twitter.

Not enough evidence?

Truprogressive85

(900 posts)
35. They dont get lol
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 03:13 AM
Jan 2016

John Podesta works for HRC why would he tell Brock is there were not threats.

Feb 1 could not come fast enough



ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
36. Except there's no evidence to support such a claim.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 03:16 AM
Jan 2016

Which strongly suggests that the rumors are coming from the Sanders campaign. Which, to borrow a phrase from Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver, would be "desperate and vile."

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
43. Thats why Hillary surrounds her campaign with rodents like Brock...
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 03:22 AM
Jan 2016

she uses them as disposable attack dogs.

Then her campaign (Podesta) deflects the outrage by playing the adult in the room and publicly chastises Brock....


Old school good cop, bad cop tactics.......massive fail!


 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
49. Sure, sure....Podesta, suddenly decided
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 03:29 AM
Jan 2016

to publicly slap Brock on the wrist for something that never was in the works?....


JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
59. It appears the Hillary surrogates here have gone off the deep end
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 03:52 AM
Jan 2016

I guess it matches their candidate's approach.

Not a one of the "arguments" I have seen in HRH's defense today has come close to rational.

It is all very amusing however.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
73. We owe you nothing. Your demands are just that. Your ignorance of the Politico story--not my problem
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 04:07 AM
Jan 2016

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
74. We've established that there is no factual basis to the rumors floated in the Politico article.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 04:11 AM
Jan 2016

Thanks.

 

snoringvoter

(178 posts)
125. You established. The rest of us has already confirmed the attack.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:48 AM
Jan 2016

Go on, keep on trying. It's so cute when you do.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
48. So far, no evidence of this attack has been published or posted, and Brock has denied it.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 03:28 AM
Jan 2016

And the only named sources claiming there was such an attack in the original Politico article are Michael Briggs and Tad Devine from the Sanders campaign:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/clinton-surrogate-to-demand-sanders-release-medical-records-217880

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
53. Yep. Tomorrow Weaver will be claiming they raised a million dollars in one day!
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 03:36 AM
Jan 2016

And no one will be the wiser. Or admit to it anyway.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
58. Oh ffs.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 03:50 AM
Jan 2016

The report was certainly out there. Maybe it was a trial balloon, maybe Brock overstepped his bounds. The Clinton camp certainly reacted like the info that they intended to go there came from their end. Geez- the mental gymnastics it takes to turn this into the Sanders camp doing something shady is fucking incredible.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
68. The only way you would conclude that from my post is if you don't have evidence yourself.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 03:57 AM
Jan 2016

Glad we cleared that up!

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
65. What evidence are you looking for?
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 03:56 AM
Jan 2016

It's been repeatedly pointed out to you that Politico was reporting what Brock had said the intention was. That's what the Sanders camp was reacting to.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
88. I don't know what to tell ya.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 04:29 AM
Jan 2016

The reports were apparently based on sources in the Clinton campaign. No one's denying that. In fact, the reactions support that. Now, there are only a few options. The reports were true, and that was the plan. The reports were false, and either Politico or someone in the campaign lied (or it was a trial balloon of some sort)

In any event, seemingly reliable reports were out there that the Sanders campaign was reacting to. I would say reasonably, ymmv (in fact it clearly does) The very fact that the "hey, we're going there' was coming from the Clinton side *is* actually going there, even if that's the end of it. This didn't come whole cloth from the Sanders side.

I suspect this won't satisfy you, but those are the facts as they're known. It's also as much or more "evidence" than most news stories.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
89. The named sources are Michael Briggs and Tad Devine.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 04:31 AM
Jan 2016

This might seem harsh but if they're going to play games they're going to get caught.

Mike__M

(1,052 posts)
84. I can understand this desire for real evidence
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 04:28 AM
Jan 2016

I myself am still wondering about the evidence
that Sanders is sexist
or that Sanders is racist
or that Sanders wants to eliminate health insurance for millions and millions
or that Sanders is not electable,
but since none of these accusations sticks, I don't obsess over it.
I also wonder if there's any evidence that there is any reason I should vote for the only one with a record of losing a primary race.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
101. It is both quite hilarious, and yet when you stop to think about it, also sad.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 05:02 AM
Jan 2016

Somebody is actually thinking, or pretending to be thinking, what is written in this OP.

riversedge

(70,084 posts)
105. They raised money off of a FAKE story! #Bernie campaign NOT honest to its voters!
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 09:31 AM
Jan 2016


Alex Seitz-Wald Verified account
‏@aseitzwald

New: Sanders team says they raised $250K tonight off David Brock healthcare story. "Once again, thanks team Clinton," Michael Briggs says.



Jill ‏@NooneOfan 17m17 minutes ago

Jill Retweeted Alex Seitz-Wald

They raised money off of a FAKE story! #Bernie campaign NOT honest to its voters!


ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
106. So far that's what the evidence points to.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 09:48 AM
Jan 2016

Kind of hard to believe but you know what? When they flew that helicopter over Bill's speech at the Iowa J-J dinner I didn't believe it at first and figured it was just a rumor. Then it turned out they not only did it, but were proud of it. So nothing would surprise me at this point.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
110. Thank you for stating the obvious!
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:23 AM
Jan 2016

I know that usually means a hide around here, so thank you.

That fund raising letter was as phony as it gets. Trump up the phony outrage and ask for money. Transparent as hell. Weaver is not a credible character.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
129. You are kind. Looks like playing the perpetual victim
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:53 AM
Jan 2016

is his campaign's strategy for $$$$$, so I have no hope in that changing. Bernie can't be vetted because-------poor Bernie! I'm so sick of the phoniness. Ugh.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
116. so now candidates are only allowed to fundraise
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:31 AM
Jan 2016

according to certain parameters?

ok, let hillary go first. she can give back all the money from the wall street investors, the big banks, and the pharm industry for starters.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
117. Oddly yesterday this board was full of Clinton supporters demanding medical records.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:32 AM
Jan 2016

Now, it true Party Line fashion, that history has been erased and it is "what attack you talking about?".

Fabulous. I'm sure in your inner narrative this is all somehow squared away.

Let's get onto serious business, we have a war with Iran to cook up. Amirite?

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
144. The evidence is the Politico report and ultimately the claims
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 10:15 PM
Jan 2016

of the unnamed sources that report relied upon. Bernie's campaign relied upon that report. If the report turns out to be bogus, then his campaign, like Clinton's campaign, erred in believing that it was true.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
153. I doubt there was such an email. I receive all of Bernie's emails, and I sure never
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:14 PM
Jan 2016

got any like THAT! Plus, that just isn't Bernie's style.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
157. Clinton campaign rebukes top ally
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:36 PM
Jan 2016
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/hillary-clinton-campaign-rebukes-top-ally-david-brock

CHARLESTON, South Carolina – The Hillary Clinton campaign Saturday night publicly rebuked one of its top outside allies after reports that he planned to make an issue of rival Bernie Sanders’ health – reports he now denies. Meanwhile, the Sanders campaign said they would release a letter testifying to his health in coming weeks.

“Chill out,” Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta tweeted at David Brock, who runs several pro-Clinton groups. “We’re fighting on who would make a better President, not on who has a better Physical Fitness Test.” Politico first reported earlier Saturday that Brock was planning to go on TV to call for the 74-year-old Sanders to release his medical records.


I tend to think that the chairperson of the Clinton campaign had a good idea of what ally Brock was getting himself up to. And I especially think that when the chairperson of the Clinton campaign actually goes very public and says "Chill out". Smart move by Podesta, preempting another sleazy move against Sanders by Brock that the media would gleefully pounce on.

Brock seems oblivious to the fallout of his operations, he still seems determined to be acting as an operative. The last thing the Clinton campaign wants is to remind people that they have ties to the David Brock of old.

The sleaze he unleashed on Anita Hill is still a dark memory for many Clinton supporters who also supported/support Anita Hill. Brock apologized for that, but getting up to more sleaze could make people think that apology wasn't so sincere, and then wonder why the heck they're partnered up with him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Real_Anita_Hill

http://www.amazon.com/Real-Anita-Hill-David-Brock/dp/0029046564

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
160. Not to me, I get all Bernie emails. Heres copy of the last one I got.
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 07:17 AM
Jan 2016

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