So is Bernie crazy -- or crazy like a fox -- for releasing details right before the debate?

[Armstead]

It's kind of a risky thing to release the details right before they're going to go on stage.

Doesn't give Camp Clinton much time to analyze and prepare a rebuttal (or attack).

But also could look like a gimmick by Bernie. Also sort of puts it rioght in the spotlight, without chance to more subtly float it.

Hmmmmmmm...

[riversedge]

1. I think it is rude and unprofessional.

[Armstead]

3. Of course you do

Would it have been a stroke of genius if Clinton had done it?

[pangaia]

4. HA HA HA LOL!!

I am sorry Mr/Ms Edge, but THAT is just hysterical !!!

[Green Forest]

5. BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

[darkangel218]

6. It's not rude at all.

I read lots of posts here from Hillary camp, asking for details. Now you guys have em.

[cherokeeprogressive]

9. Really? Quelle surprise.

Quelle surprise.

[awake]

11. Hillary asked so Bernie delivered so you have a problem with that?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

12. For 3 days, people have been demanding Bernie produce output before the debate.

Now he has, and look what kind of reaction he's getting.

[fleur-de-lisa]

14. OMG!

You are priceless!

[Cassiopeia]

19. Well Bernie doesn't consider himself a professional candidate

and neither do his supporters. Bernie is fighting with us for change we desperately need. He's not running for personal greed and the power that greed demands.

[Autumn]

20. .

here have some of this too

[morningfog]

29. LOLOLLOLL. Says the Clinton supporter.

[saltpoint]

30. He can release his plan any

fucking time he feels like it.

[Bjorn Against]

40. Wait, were you not one of the people who was demanding he release his plan?

What is rude about giving you the information that you were demanding he give you? It seems like you should be thanking him for doing what you asked him to do.

[artislife]

41. That just made me laugh. thank you. nt

[Hiraeth]

47. it is only six pages ... I think Hill can handle it, have faith

[in_cog_ni_to]

53. Waaaaaaaaah! Waaaaaaaaaaaaa! Why didn't HRH think of it first! Waaaaaah!

Rude and unprofessional.....


It was a BRILLIANT political move. Now HRH can't LIE about it and twist it into something it isn't! Too effing bad for you.

Go Bernie!

PEA
LOVE
BERNIE

[uponit7771]

57. Yeap, and raises the notion that there's something to hide ... which there is... the 6.2% increase t

... the employers will be passing to the employee like they have been doing for the last 10 years.

Yeap, right up at top...

Cause all US employers are GGGGGREAT!!

[Kelvin Mace]

67. 6.2% + 2.2%

is WAY cheaper than what I am paying now, which is about 15% of my paycheck.

[uponit7771]

69. That's not the avg for that salary range, 15% is an outlier. its 300 savings a year...

... which I don't think even that seeing he released it 2 hrs before the dem debate.

How's he supposed to get it past a historically gerrymandered GOP congress!?

jus... I'm becoming disallusionad

[Kelvin Mace]

72. Same way we got various other bills through

You keep hammering until you succeed. Beats never trying.

Ten years ago the Dems told me marriage equality was a dead issue.

[uponit7771]

76. The historically gerrymandered congress isn't going to care abut his hammering, they'll ignore it

... cause they can... they're seats are damn near guaranteed

I can try to jump to the moon, should I just keep trying when the energy I'm using for that feat can be placed elsewhere?!?

I'm not just wanting someone who's going to "try" but get results...

Either way, Sanders proffers a good plan (we'll see about it later) and a way to get it passed congress then I'm all ears... ears

[Kelvin Mace]

78. again, I prefer someone who will try

than someone who has already surrendered on the issue.

[uponit7771]

79. Try vs Progress... I prefer progress even if its imperfect

[Kelvin Mace]

82. If you don't try,

Progress is impossible.

[Green Forest]

2. Bernie has never lost an election. We are beginning to see why...

[pangaia]

17. Yes he has, in the beginning of his "career" in Burlington.

He learned a lot by losing.

[KittyWampus]

27. He's never won nationally. He never will.

[libdem4life]

35. We have a psychic on the thread.

[Hiraeth]

50. yeah but, they got their crystal ball on sale at walmart

[libdem4life]

51. so we know where it likely came from...before WalMart, that is.

[nc4bo]

66. Magic 8 Ball says: "Without A Doubt"

[IMG][/IMG]

[artislife]

48. Neither has h. nt

[libdem4life]

56. Seems they've both been a Senator...she didn't "win FLOTUS"..she married into it.

He was elected many more times than she was as she carpetbagged her way into New York. Weak.

Off to the Debate.

[artislife]

68. Carpet bagger and rode her husband's coattails her entire career before the senate

That's feminism! Ha!

[kath]

70. Yeah, as if a feminist rides her husband's coattails.

It's laughable the way the Hillarians think she's a real trailblazer or something.

[artislife]

71. She would be nothing without Bill. nt

[kath]

73. Egg-zackly.

[libdem4life]

75. I don't hold that against her. It is our Boomer heritage. What used to be feminism is now

common...not solved, but more common. I think that our first woman president will be of the latter group that are not, in a sense, saddled with the burdens of the many faces of feminism...as it was in the 60s and 70s.

I have high hopes for women and especially our Millennial sisters who can carry the torch onward.

[Cassiopeia]

8. They demanded it.

Bernie answered.

[darkangel218]

33. This!!^^

[Kentonio]

10. It was genius.

It completely removes one of Hillarys main attack points, gives her no time to prepare a new one (unless she rushes and risks a potentially disastrous mistake) and focuses the debate on a plan he needs as many people as possible to hear about and fall in love with.

Absolute political masterstroke.

[Agschmid]

13. I've got no problem with it, but it certainly is a political move.

By a shrewd politician.

Yes a "politician".

[Armstead]

18. Yep, and I'm glad he is

Nothing wrong with playing politics....Just depends on the end goals

[Agschmid]

22. Nope.

[pangaia]

21. That is his "profession." But he is an honest, caring human being first.

[Agschmid]

24. I didn't say he wasn't...

[Autumn]

25. Yes he is a politician. One hell of a shrewd politician

[HereSince1628]

15. presenting something that balances a new tax against savings on health insurance??

He's definitely got huge courage, and apparently a great deal of confidence in his capacity to make people understand as two competitors try to paint it as simply a new tax

[pangaia]

28. I have the confidence that he CAN in fact get people to understand.

"They," the ones who do NOT understand, have just never been told before, including, it seems, not a few on this website.

[HereSince1628]

49. I'm glad you're confident. No one can say he doesn't go all in

He's got the questioners and two other candidates who will grill him on the costs

I know I've seen posts that scores of economists agree his proposal saves families lots of money a year compared to private health insurance.

But, still... I feel like he's about to descend into the valley of the Little Bighorn...without the cavalry behind him.

[pangaia]

60. Custer was an incompetent, ignorant fool who didn't do his homework.

He had a long history of that type of behavior, beginning in the Civil War, combined with an excess of luck.

He also made horrendous mistakes in Montana, and paid the price.

Bernie may win, he may lose. But George Custer is no comparison.

[HereSince1628]

65. I wish Sanders the very best on this

and by this... I mean -this- isn't sword rattling or skirmishing, he's chosen this time and place to mount a major offensive. It's gonna change the primary season, one way or another.

Maybe catch you after this is over, hoping it goes well...

[elleng]

16. Similar to hrc's 'more sanctions on Iran,' imo,

neither leaving time to explain or discuss.

[Cassiopeia]

31. Nicely played

and Bernie did it all on his own without insider help.

[elleng]

36. Right!

[dlwickham]

52. you mean Obama's more sanctions on Iran

or did you miss that today

[elleng]

59. No, I meant hrc's 'more sanctions on iran,'

followed by Obama's!

[dlwickham]

61. I think what she was calling for was what Obama put in place

[elleng]

62. It IS,

but we didn't know he was going to do it until TODAY, so it appeared that she was undercutting his success!

[dlwickham]

63. maybe she knew

she was his Secretary of State after all

[elleng]

64. She probably DID know,

but we didn't know that she knew!

[dlwickham]

80. So we don't know that she knew

So we don't know if she knew what Obama was going to do however what she called for was pretty much what Obama did.

Lesters the psychic on her campaign staff I'm willing to bet that she did know.

[daleanime]

23. Uh, I think it's a lot of work....

and between being a congressman and running for president he's been kind of busy.

[ebayfool]

26. Well, the questions and reactions will have to be spontaneous ...

rather than prepped ahead of time by the spinmeisters. I think it's more likely to get 'real' on stage tonight!

And that's a good thing in my book. Let us see some honest gut reactions for a change - tomorrow is soon enough for the contortions and truth massagers!

[RandySF]

32. Well, just from what I already see

I would be paying more per month than my current premium.

[zazen]

55. you must be loaded--we'll save around 20k n/t

[RandySF]

58. It's not a matter of being loaded.

It's a matter of working where I don't pay a high monthly premium.

[RichVRichV]

81. Are you also comparing deductables and copay costs under this plan to what you pay?

Or strictly looking at it from a pure guaranteed monthly cost perspective?



It's all those unexpected costs that really drive up our health care costs currently.

[Thinkingabout]

34. Humm, guess he is planning on more people earning more money.

It really doesn't matter when he released this information at this late date, too little too late.

[Armstead]

38. I know. It's too bad he didn't do it before all those primaries that have been held......

[libdem4life]

46. Nothing about this makes sense. Maybe you could rewrite it?

As to the money...yes he intends to work to provide a living wage. Silly politician.

As to the information...well, I tend to think it was definitely political and is right on time. HRC doesn't even have one, let alone anything for the peasants...other than high insurance payments and deductibles and maybe a tweak or two here and there.

Real Democrats have been wanting this for decades. Some still don't get it. Can he do it in his first 100 days. No. But can he, like Obama and all the others, use absolute intention, the Bully Pulpit and his millions of supporters to get some real down ticket action now, too? I think so.

[Lucinda]

37. Both

It will depend on just how well it holds up to analysis.

[Armstead]

42. Objectively speaking, That's probably the correct answer

[bkkyosemite]

39. Now they are attacking him with ole Chucky

that he put out a PR not a plan that he has changed on everything that she is for change lol

[TCJ70]

44. Yeah, I heard that...

...I really wanted to know what that guy thought he changed or switched positions on?

[FloridaBlues]

43. Very light on how this gets implemented.

Give it a few days after economist and healthcare experts review this brief "plan" could backfire once its throughly analyzed.
It's a brief read more than enough time for HRC to review before the debate

[in_cog_ni_to]

45. Nope! This will give him the NATIONAL TEEVEE airwaves to explain his plan before HRH and her

operatives twist it into something it's not. He can stand on that stage before NATIONAL audience and explain the TRUTH about his plan.

If Robert Reich says it's good, IT'S GOOD!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[uponit7771]

54. Disenginious for not letting his oppistion poor over the proposal, makes me think there's some SBS

... in it

[WillyT]

74. LOL !!! - Pure Genius...

[Kalidurga]

77. Ha ha ha the look on Bernie's face as it's revealed that he released his plan before the debate.

Even better the look on Hillary's face.