Hillary sounds like the most reasonable Republican running for president

[Attorney in Texas]

You'd think she was debating with the goal of locking up the endorsement of the chamber of commerce.

[darkangel218]

1. Both she and the host.

What a massive failure this debate is. I bet the Repubs luvv it!!

They want nothing more than Hillary to win, since she is so easy to beat in the GE.

[asuhornets]

15. Debate failure?

The hosts were fair. They did not show favoritism to Hillary.

[darkangel218]

17. Not true.

And you know it.

[Katashi_itto]

53. Bs

[Duval]

76. Amen! Wait and see how many more minutes they gave her!

[yuiyoshida]

80. This!

[stonecutter357]

59. +1

[daybranch]

65. As a Bernie guy, O Malle was not given anywhere near a fair share of time.

Bernie seized his opportunities to speak and Hillary received hers from supportive and biased hosts.

[Ferd Berfel]

72. The Goldwater Girl and Mrs Greenspan

Can't you just taste the Status Quo?

[KentuckyWoman]

2. You so bad.

[Autumn]

3. I would vote for a republican that sounds like her too .

But I don't vote for republicans. Never have and I never will, especially in 2016.

[Fearless]

81. Reagan. n/t

[LittleBlue]

4. Would Hillary govern any differently to Kasich?

[JonLeibowitz]

8. On economics and foreign policy, I doubt it. n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

9. No. n/t

[hifiguy]

34. 99% of the time, no. nt

[gilpo]

61. This Bernie supporter thinks she would pick different SC Justices than Kasich

[SusanCalvin]

64. Absolutely, and this is why I will support her in the general if it becomes necessary. nt

[earthside]

5. Great observation!

Hillary Clinton seems to be trying to revive the Eisenhower Republican Party.

Now, that is a better Republican Party than the one that exits now, but I certainly prefer Roosevelt or Truman Democrats.

This is Sen. Sanders debate -- all the discussion has pretty much been about his ideas and his proposals.

[DhhD]

11. Roosevelt and Truman Democrats vs. Clinton and Newt Gingrich Acquistionist

http://es.ndu.edu/Media/FactSheets/ArticleView/tabid/8921/Article/562324/recent-visitors-and-lectures.aspx

http://es.ndu.edu/Programs/SeniorAcquisition.aspx

[JohnnyRingo]

54. Rachel Maddow often identifies herself as...

... an Eisenhower Democrat:

I’m undoubtedly a liberal, which means that I’m in almost total agreement with the Eisenhower-era Republican party platform.

...and that must put her to the left of Bernie Sanders who said last November that he's not as much of a socialist as Ike:

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&es_th=1&ie=UTF-8#q=maddow+is+an+eisenhower+democrat

Sanders: I'm not as socialist as Eisenhower
Sen. Bernie Sanders, in the second Democratic primary debate, answers a question about how he'll pay for some of his agenda items by pointing out that he won't raise taxes as much as Eisenhower did because he's "not that much of a socialist."

[SusanCalvin]

63. "Hillary Clinton seems to be trying to revive the Eisenhower Republican Party."

Excuse me:

She's not that far left.

[earthside]

66. She is a Republican of my youth.

I was born in the 1950s in Wyoming.

Hillary could easily be a mainstream conservative Republican of the 1960s -- even by Wyoming standards.

Which shows you, indeed ... that Hillary is "not that far left" vis-a-vis Ike, Nixon, Lodge, Rockefeller, etc.
The 'Goldwater Girl' is still in there.

It also shows you just far right this country has moved. My gosh, even Bernie Sanders is closer to the mainstream liberalism of FDR and Truman.

[SusanCalvin]

69. Oh, she's absolutely close, but I still say she's not even that far left. nt

[Gregorian]

6. Banned!

[Attorney in Texas]

7. NATE SILVER: "According to OpenSecrets.org, Clinton has received $5.7 million from contributors

in the financial services industry so far this cycle, compared with just $270,000 for Sanders. However, although no individual Republican candidate has out-raised Clinton in the industry — Jeb Bush, at $4.5 million, is closest — in the aggregate, Republican presidential candidates have raised about twice as much as Democrats, with $12.7 million in contributions, compared with $6.3 million for Clinton and other Democrats combined."

link

[dsc]

10. Please supply a list of the GOP federal candidates

who are pro choice, in favor of the equality act, support a new voting rights act, and raising the minimum wage. I eagerly await your response.

Here is my list of those:

[Attorney in Texas]

13. Republican Michael Bloomberg is well to the left of Clinton and is doing polling in contemplation of

entering the race.

[dsc]

22. He is not a Republican nor is he running federally

He was never, as in not even one time, elected as Republican running for a federal office. Oh, and BTW, he was a lifelong Democrat when he switched parties to run for mayor knowing he couldn't win a Democratic primary.

[still_one]

31. Facts and details are a problem with some people, so they resort to calling any

Democrat they disagree with a republican.

[DFW]

37. That is only true, as you said, for some posters

Some propagandists find it the path of least resistance, but many others do no buy into that facile and tired way of getting a point across. Many have coherent arguments as to why they support their particular candidate. Not everyone uses the Republican tactic of resorting to stock slogans.

[Attorney in Texas]

40. On which party's ticket was Bloomberg elected? {{{Spoiler Alert - Republican Mayor of NYC}}}. Also,

Republicans are actively recruiting Bloomberg to run as a "pro-business independent" if Trump or Cruz gets the nomination.

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/jamie-stiehm/2015/11/30/michael-bloomberg-could-save-republicans-in-the-2016-presidential-election

http://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2016/01/michael-bloomberg-cant-quite-give-up-his-presidential-dreams/423504/

[still_one]

46. Bloomberg left the republican party, and ran as an independent in 2007

and has not looked back.

Bloomberg is NOT running for president in 2016, and he is an independent.

As far as zuckerman's usnews, and the Atlantic assessment, they are full of baloney.

Those rumors have been going on for years.

He started off as a democrat, changed to republican, and is now an independent when the republicans went far right

The last election Bloomberg ran for mayor he ran as an independent, and won as an independent.

He is an independent now, and has been since 2007. That is how he views himself.

and he is not running for President in 2016, no matter what the bullshit rumor mills are saying. He has repeatedly said so. Not unlike when Elizabeth Warren said she would not run for President in 2016. The press can spew whatever garbage they want, and they will still be wrong.

Also, the base of the republican party does not like Bloomberg. That is a very well known fact. Hell will freeze over before they nominate him.

A person is what he identifies with today, not 10 years ago, and today he is an independent, and the last election he won, was as an independent.

Sorry that doesn't fit your version of reality

[Attorney in Texas]

47. Sure you know better than The Atlantic & US News, but it isn't Democrats encouraging Bloomberg to

run in 2016.

[dsc]

50. If I were facing the prospect of Trump running on my ticket

I would be encouraging another liberal to run and split the vote too. It would be their only realistic shot. But I notice you leave out the part of federal office. There is no GOP candidate FOR FEDERAL OFFICE that believes those things. Not one.

[OilemFirchen]

75. Hillary Clinton is well to the left of Republican Elizabeth Warren.

Did I win? Is there a prize?

[MADem]

42. And who give a shit about lead in the water in Flint, Michigan.... nt

[asuhornets]

12. No she does not..

as a matter of fact Sanders agreed with her several times.

[JRLeft]

16. She's a moderate republican. The GOP is full of extremists.

That is why republicans like her are democrats today.

[Attorney in Texas]

25. Nixon ACCOMPLISHED more progressive legislation than Clinton would even ATTEMPT to pass

If Clinton were around during the Nixon administration, she sounds like someone who would say it is "unrealistic" to

* create the Environmental Protection Agency
* create the Clean Air Act
* create the Clean Water Act
* create Title IX
* end the draft

[erronis]

70. Good points. Maybe something her campaign would like to adress directly,

or not at all.

[Renew Deal]

14. And you will vote for her when she is the Democratic nominee

[JRLeft]

18. A sane republican is better than an insane republican.

[JonLeibowitz]

23. So you say. n/t

[Fawke Em]

49. Many won't.

There are other parties and other candidates.

[Green Forest]

19. Once a Goldwater Girl, always a Goldwater Girl.

[brooklynite]

26. Just like Elizabeth Warren?

[Luminous Animal]

35. Was Warren a Goldwater Girl. No evidence that she was.

She was registered as an independent until she changed her affiliation to Republican during the 90s for a handful of years and then changed her affiliation to the Democratic party.

Hillary supporters like to pretend that Warren was a Republican from her youth. But she wasn't.

And, of course, you and every other Hillary supporter likes to float this canard that Warren was always a Republican.

[brooklynite]

36. I see - much better to be a Republican in your mature years...

[Luminous Animal]

38. You flat out claimed that Warren was a Goldwater Girl.

"Just like Elizabeth Warren?"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1023301

Just trying to keep thing honest. Happy in my skin that what I post here I strive to do with integrity and try not to promote with disinformation.

I'm not perfect and may get caught up in the moment but regularly, when I learn the facts, I back off from spreading disinformation.

[KingCharlemagne]

45. you're arguing wirh someone with the wherewithal to take political

pleasure junkets, ffs.

[stonecutter357]

60. she was a Republican as late as 1996

[MADem]

43. Who was a Republican as late as 1996, as an adult woman IN HER FORTIES.

Not a child, too young to vote.

It's ok if you're "not Hillary," though.

And, when Hillary was old enough to vote, she was a Democrat, voting for Democrats.

The first person Senator Sanders ever voted for, according to him, was ..... himself.

All you can do is consider the source....

[votesparks]

20. She is

nm

[RoccoR5955]

21. What do you expect from a Goldwater Girl? n/t

[hill2016]

24. does that mean she will have a lot of cross-over support

from moderates?

[Attorney in Texas]

27. If they trusted her, she might, but no one outside of Democrats (but not young Democrats) trusts her

[George II]

28. Not really, but Sanders sounded like the most unreasonable "Democrat" running for President.

[Kalidurga]

29. Thank goodness I am tired of reasonable Democrats upholding the status quo.

[Logical]

30. Lol, if Clinton is a reasonable one then Bernie is doing fine! Nt

[MADem]

44. Pay no mind to the griping....

It's just sour grapes. Some are disappointed that Clinton commanded the stage and had such a decisive grasp of the issues. Start to finish (and Flint was a HUGE finish) she dominated. Leadership in action.

[still_one]

32. Yeah, brillant tactic. Call Hillary, and by proxy her supporters republicans.

That should work out real well for you

[A Simple Game]

67. It all works out if if you take some liberties with the old saying.

"She has met the enemy and it is herself" Seems fitting in this case. She was the reason she lost the nomination last time and will be the reason again.

[JoePhilly]

77. + 100

[Hulk]

33. Absolutely

She gave me the impression she was doing her Carly fiorina impression. The angry screaming is a turn off when you want to get your message out.

Bernie is the guy, but HRC is light years ahead of any of the gop clowns.

[Drunken Irishman]

39. So, who is this mythical reasonable Republican she mirrors?

[thomservo]

58. There aren't any reasonable republicans anymore.

They jumped into the democratic party in the 80's and 90's and are known as 3rd wayers.

[merrily]

41. Ouch.

You'd think she was debating with the goal of locking up the endorsement of the chamber of commerce.

You say that as though it were hyperbole.

[Bernblu]

48. If she runs against Trump I'd bet she gets the Chamber of Commerce endorsement

[Vinca]

51. That's exactly what my impression was.

It was kind of depressing given she's still the odds on favorite to win the nomination. I would just like a brief glimpse of something that isn't "Third Way."

[lark]

52. Disagree.

There is no Repug who takes her stances, not one single one and that's an unfair comparison. Are any Repugs running for president pro-choice, would any rake Snyder over the coals the way Clinton did, would they promote taxes (fees?) on the wealthy, would they end the earned income rip-off, would they even continue the ACA much less implement something even better? No, no, no,no and no. Clinton may not be as progressive as I'd wish, but she's miles away from the Repugs. There are no reasonable Repugs running for any races as they don't exist.

Surprised to see Dems using it against a Dem candidate. Dems need to vote in the highest numbers possible to have a chance of winning the race when the msm is totally in the bag for repugs and the voting machine owners are 100% repug. I hope the candidate is Bernie, but I will 100% vote for Clinton if she's the nominee. This country would be radically and irrevocably changed for the worst if a repug gets in, if only because of the power to nominate SCOTUS.

[leftupnorth]

55. Party loyalty is meaningless when your party isn't loyal to any ideals.

The only ideal is winning. Everything else can be compromised to that end.

And people wonder why so many are fed up with the two party monopoly of the process. It's tyranny, plain and simple.

[erronis]

71. This is the problem. And fortunately we have an election that can call it out.

Turd way vs. Tea Party? Most of us aren't interested.

Don't give us talking points - give us real solutions to problems. If you can't, get off the stage.

[gordyfl]

56. Yes, and Bernie Sanders Mentioned That at the Debate

HILLARY CLINTON: "But, there are serious questions about how we're going to pay for what we want to see our country do. And, I'm the only candidate standing here tonight who has said I will not raise taxes on the middle class. I want to raise incomes, not taxes."

BERNIE SANDERS: "What is correct, and I'm disappointed that Secretary Clinton's campaign has made this criticism. It's a Republican criticism."

[TIME TO PANIC]

57. If she'd just call herself a moderate republican.

Obama called himself a moderate republican, and I respect his honesty.

[jwirr]

62. And she is.

[joeybee12]

68. Actually, take out O'Malley and she's the only Dem left

Not some loner who has never accomplished anything or worked with anyone in the Senate.

[Phlem]

73. !

..........................

[Phlem]

74. She is and I've been saying that for a long time.

She the only hope Republicans have to continue negotiating laws for the 1%, period.

[Duval]

78. K&R

[Odin2005]

79. She was a Goldwater Girl, never forget.

She only became a Dem because of who she married.

[GeorgeGist]

82. Agreed.

I believe she is the best the PTB will offer.

[Logical]

83. Love this post! Nt