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(85,986 posts)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 10:06 AM Jan 2016

O'Malley was gracious about the unequal time afforded him in the debate, but I'm pissed

Last edited Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:30 AM - Edit history (1)

Of course, you can't make a credible complaint about the allocation of time in the debate without putting the hat on the moderators. It's their show and they set the format, they set the rules. They are responsible for enforcing time limits and providing equal time.

But this debate was leveraged against O'Malley from the beginning by NBC who announced a polling threshold which was not only steeper than historically allowed, but appeared to be more about their own ratings than our candidates. What's more, they decided on the threshold just days before the event was to take place.

After allowing republicans to bring their entire clown car of hopeless hopefuls onto stage every other week, somehow having three Democratic candidates onstage was suddenly more than they could bear.

Well, Holt and Mitchell made their corporate bosses proud last night as they treated O'Malley as if he'd won his ticket to the debate in a raffle. They were barely able to contain their impatience with his presence as he robbed them of that two frame shot of Sanders and Clinton bickering over the political tussle-dujour so obligingly offered as flamebait.

With every attack, there was an expectation from Sanders and Clinton of even more time allowed to play political tag, with O'Malley waiting for his turn to speak. Is it a deliberate debate strategy from these two senators, practiced at filibustering, to natter away O'Malley's time? Nicely done, at any rate.

The network and the rest of the media horde got their screenshots. It's not as if they had to beg. This is what the two campaigns seem to believe is necessary right now. They played right into the network script, perhaps oblivious to the next day's headlines.

'Sanders lashes out at Clinton'

'Clinton and Sanders brawl'

'Clinton and Sanders duel'

'Clinton, Sanders trade barbs'

Those are the headlines this morning; that is the substance of the bulk of articles voters will see. O'Malley's appearance, once again, deliberately minimized and used as a narrative against his largely unrecognized campaign.

Well played?

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O'Malley was gracious about the unequal time afforded him in the debate, but I'm pissed (Original Post) bigtree Jan 2016 OP
I dvr'd it - and started watching this morning JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #1
Andrea Mitchell asked him when will he drop out. The media is trying to force him out JRLeft Jan 2016 #2
Yep Omaha Steve Jan 2016 #16
They believe the quicker they make this a 2 horse race, the quicker JRLeft Jan 2016 #17
He only has the most comprehensive plans out of the three. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #3
Its unfair, but typical of primary and GE debates. aikoaiko Jan 2016 #4
With only three candidates, why do we even need these thresholds? nxylas Jan 2016 #5
I don't get it either. MoonRiver Jan 2016 #12
I though O'Malley was wearing an invisiblity cloak n/t left-of-center2012 Jan 2016 #6
Yea, that was pretty horrible. Very ineffective moderation nc4bo Jan 2016 #7
As one of the rare Undecideds - I want to see more of all three - I think they Kashkakat v.2.0 Jan 2016 #8
I don't blame you, I was pissed and he is not my choice of candidate. The moderators Jefferson23 Jan 2016 #9
This OP is completely justified. artislife Jan 2016 #10
It sucked. MuseRider Jan 2016 #11
100% agreement. nt cherokeeprogressive Jan 2016 #13
It was outrageous how he was treated...it has been every time there is a debate. Punkingal Jan 2016 #14
martin was completely screwed over. restorefreedom Jan 2016 #15
» bigtree Jan 2016 #18

JustAnotherGen

(31,810 posts)
1. I dvr'd it - and started watching this morning
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 10:22 AM
Jan 2016

Out of the gate?

Lester Holt tried to cut off O'Malley after giving only 2 of his three items in the first 100 days.

Honestly - its neither Clinton nor Sanders fault. They are both ALSO trying to win an election.

However, I won't be watching or recording anymore debates. There's no point. ZERO WORTH.

The Media wants nothing to do with someone with a strong record of "I did" - they only want snipbitchery and nonsense. Hence why if the sky turned bright green the world over they would cut to late breaking news that Trump called the Pope a Stupid Head.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
2. Andrea Mitchell asked him when will he drop out. The media is trying to force him out
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 10:29 AM
Jan 2016

of the race.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
3. He only has the most comprehensive plans out of the three.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 10:32 AM
Jan 2016

What the hell do you want? People can read his shit.

aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
4. Its unfair, but typical of primary and GE debates.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 10:49 AM
Jan 2016


I would be unhappy, too, if I had an interest in MOM.

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
5. With only three candidates, why do we even need these thresholds?
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:13 AM
Jan 2016

I can understand it with the Republican clown car, but with so few Democratic candidates, they should all be treated equally. The only objection I can see is "O'Malley has no chance", but that should be for primary voters to decide.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
12. I don't get it either.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:36 AM
Jan 2016

And even though I am a Hillary supporter, I would also like to hear more from MOM. Makes things more interesting to have all points of view.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
7. Yea, that was pretty horrible. Very ineffective moderation
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:18 AM
Jan 2016

indeed.

All if them should be barred from ever moderating another debate.

Either do a good job or don't do it at all.

The voters are the losers.

Kashkakat v.2.0

(1,752 posts)
8. As one of the rare Undecideds - I want to see more of all three - I think they
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:19 AM
Jan 2016

all speak very well and I don't care what the polls say - M O'M still adds substance to the conversation and contributes his share of pithy remarks.

No matter what my personal belief or who I end up voting for I enjoy a good debate when participants are knowledgeable, articulate, and on point (ie not rambling off on something irrelevant). Im sure Im not the only one who feels this ways -studies have shown that liberals/progressives as a group tend to think in a more nuanced way, whereas cons/reptiles tend to be more black-white, either-or, winner-loser in their thinking.

Unfortunately, we get inflicted on us the infotainment model which isn't known for its nuance .

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
9. I don't blame you, I was pissed and he is not my choice of candidate. The moderators
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:26 AM
Jan 2016

job is not to decide who has value to be heard and it was also obvious at the
end when Lester gave O'Malley the time....the big laugh that followed
was NOT funny. It was a confirmation of the hack job the moderators
did and another example of the corporate media's influence in politics.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
10. This OP is completely justified.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:29 AM
Jan 2016

Martin has shown a lot of grit and integrity while being treated so poorly. The machine needs to be dismantled or at least cut back down to size so that it works for us instead of the other way around.

Sorry to all his supporters.

MuseRider

(34,105 posts)
11. It sucked.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:31 AM
Jan 2016

I HATE when they do this. He is running he should get the time. I know he is low in the polls but he has great ideas and he is still out there fighting. I do not know why his numbers are so low. He is very passionate and has done some good things in the past. It is hard to know why it is like this. The big name Hillary and the old "grumpy" guy Bernie seem to have set up something that looks like a bigger competition?

O'Malley seems to have everything it would take to do very well. I hope he runs again. He is not being given the chance anymore at all. I am always for leaving those who are willing to do the work in with the rest of them.

If the choice was between O'Malley and Clinton I would vote for him happily. Still firmly in the Sanders camp but have fond but upsetting memories of being a Kucinich person.

Punkingal

(9,522 posts)
14. It was outrageous how he was treated...it has been every time there is a debate.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:37 AM
Jan 2016

I think it is disgusting for media talking heads to decide who gets heard. This man was a mayor and a Governor elected by voters...he deserves to be treated respectfully. Mitchell had NO business asking him when he will drop out.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
15. martin was completely screwed over.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:55 AM
Jan 2016

and treated like crap. the mods were horrid.

when he did get his crumbs to speak, he nailed it.

i loathe m$m....thanks dws for putting a draconian lock on debate. other groups would do so much better and would be fair..

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