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One year from today. (Original Post) Alfresco Jan 2016 OP
Something about not counting your chickens. Wise advice. cali Jan 2016 #1
From FiveThirty-Eight: IS THE BERNIE BUMP REAL? Hortensis Jan 2016 #2
Not sure what your point is. cali Jan 2016 #4
Sure you are. I'm agreeing that it's Hortensis Jan 2016 #6
As I have never counted my eggs, and have explicitly cali Jan 2016 #8
Ignoring the reality that Nate Silver's group feels Hortensis Jan 2016 #14
The problem is... kenfrequed Jan 2016 #20
Endorsement points: Clinton 458, Sanders 2 Hortensis Jan 2016 #24
So Nate has moved away TM99 Jan 2016 #28
Nate Silver's extremely respected in his field. Hortensis Jan 2016 #29
Why should I 'come on'? TM99 Jan 2016 #31
Now, really. He never said Bernie would Hortensis Jan 2016 #33
Do you actually read his site or just talk about TM99 Jan 2016 #34
I know you want Bernie to win, and he could. But Hortensis Jan 2016 #35
You can't address TM99 Jan 2016 #36
Theirs are hardly the only flaws in analysis Hortensis Jan 2016 #37
I saw the future. :-) Alfresco Jan 2016 #3
Likely so. :) Hortensis Jan 2016 #5
if thats our future we're screwed....... bowens43 Jan 2016 #27
Testifying ??? Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #7
or fail to recall. Cassiopeia Jan 2016 #9
+1 n/t MissDeeds Jan 2016 #12
Lol!!! coyote Jan 2016 #23
Don't hold on to your and Hilliary Clinton's illusions too long, we have a Teapublican... marble falls Jan 2016 #10
Caption this: Hillary slaps chief justice at Sanders innauguration Donkees Jan 2016 #11
Is she waving goodbye? Nedsdag Jan 2016 #13
One year from today. Bernie catches train to Senate office. :-) Alfresco Jan 2016 #15
At least he knows what public transport looks like from the inside Armstead Jan 2016 #22
What a great picture of him, actually. If he is Hortensis Jan 2016 #30
Quick Bernie, they're posting bad pics on DU! pinebox Jan 2016 #16
"They misunderestimated me" :-) Alfresco Jan 2016 #17
I think it's more like this pinebox Jan 2016 #18
What a great statement! Punkingal Jan 2016 #19
Or could be like this... Alfresco Jan 2016 #21
Oh look! A meeting of people who supported bad trade deals! pinebox Jan 2016 #25
hills going to be slapping people???? Why? bowens43 Jan 2016 #26
You should have posted a "Gag Alert". Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2016 #32

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
2. From FiveThirty-Eight: IS THE BERNIE BUMP REAL?
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 08:28 AM
Jan 2016
"Nate Silver: Indeed. That, along with her support from the party establishment, is why Clinton is the heavy favorite. But at what point does the price on Bernie become attractive to you?

If I could get him at 20-1 (implying about a 5 percent chance of winning), I’d take it.

Harry: Yes. I think that’s fair."


"Micah: Are you all surprised that Sanders has gotten this close?

Clare Malone: I don’t think it’s really all that surprising. I actually think, as crazy as it might sound, that Donald Trump and Sanders are trying to appeal to similar forces fomenting in the American population; people are frustrated with the way things are going, they are skeptical of big institutions (banks!), and they want to see a different kind of leadership. Of course, Trump’s way of courting this is instilling fear in people, and Sanders’s way of courting this is righteous, idealistic governmental revolution. They’re both populist movements, albeit with undertones of authoritarianism in one.

Nate Silver: I don’t think it’s that surprising. First, as we’ve been saying for six months now, the first two states happen to be pretty favorable for Bernie.

Second, there are a lot of people, including the media and Democratic interest groups, who have a strong incentive for there to be a competitive Democratic race, or at least some semblance of one. To get a little more wonky still, the median voter theorem would imply that two-candidate races should be at least reasonably close."


http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/is-the-bernie-sanders-surge-real/

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
6. Sure you are. I'm agreeing that it's
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 09:21 AM
Jan 2016

a mistake for people on this forum to count their chickens.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
8. As I have never counted my eggs, and have explicitly
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 09:40 AM
Jan 2016

said on multiple occasions that Hillary is the odds on favorite, addressing your post to me seems silly.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
14. Ignoring the reality that Nate Silver's group feels
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 12:13 PM
Jan 2016

Bernie's chances of winning the primary are still extremely small is silly.

But sure. We've all of us just been discussing the weather here on GDP. Cold outside, huh?

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
20. The problem is...
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 02:11 PM
Jan 2016

Just as much of their prognostication includes the same spin kind of language that the Clinton campaign is using. "Practical" versus "Idealistic," the analogizing of Bernie to Trump etc. Enten is particularly grating and all of this just comes across as beltway wonkishness.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
24. Endorsement points: Clinton 458, Sanders 2
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 03:32 PM
Jan 2016

Again from FiveThirtyEight.com:

The Endorsement Primary, weighted endorsement points*, updated 1 day ago
Hillary Clinton 458
Bernie Sanders 2

* Representatives 1 point each
Senators 5 points each
Governors 10 points each

Agree, spin is a problem, Ken. But no one spins us harder than we can spin info to suit ourselves -- if we indulge. This reality means something. Analyses come up with different answers, but spin won't make it go away any more than wishing will.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
28. So Nate has moved away
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 04:37 PM
Jan 2016

from the numbers to the made up rubric that if you have more endorsements right now before a single primary vote, then your chances of winning are phenomenal?

And y'all wonder why he is being dismissed with such laughter!

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
29. Nate Silver's extremely respected in his field.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 04:55 PM
Jan 2016

Of course, no statistician is 100% right, but he's come far closer than most, which is why all campaigns read everything his organization puts out and absolutely no one is laughing at him.

Really, TM99. Come on.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
31. Why should I 'come on'?
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 05:02 PM
Jan 2016

He failed miserably with his predictions about the UK 2015 election. He said that Sanders would peak and flat line at most at 30% in all polls and was wrong.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
33. Now, really. He never said Bernie would
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 05:50 PM
Jan 2016

"flat line at most at 30% in all polls." He thinks most polls are pure bunkum and, of course, junk polls are often written to give enormous leads and fails to condidates, so he'd never claim low results for "all polls." Go examine the analyses by experts for yourself. That particular site's free, and they often discuss ways Bernie might pull ahead, paths to victory for him.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
34. Do you actually read his site or just talk about
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 06:21 PM
Jan 2016

it 'authoritatively'?

In August he said the surge was over and he would top out at 30%.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/the-bernie-sanders-surge-appears-to-be-over/

He was wrong. He then admitted it and said well even if the surge isn't over, he won't win Iowa. Clinton is still the predicted winner there.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/bernie-sanders-new-hampshire/

And yet again he was wrong. He justifies it by going out of statistics into psycho-social analysis.

Well, Sanders doesn't have enough endorsements so that will stop his surge. Wrong again.

Well, Sanders has no real AA support. Wrong again, he has risen steadily.

Well, he doesn't have enough female support. Wrong yet fucking again, he leads Clinton in women 18 to 45.

Silvers is not doing well in the last year. I would argue it is because numbers alone can not predict human psychology. He has entered into my field, and he is not qualified to speak on that. As long as he sticks to the numbers game, he might get his mojo back. Might!

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
35. I know you want Bernie to win, and he could. But
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 12:36 PM
Jan 2016

if it happens it will be in spite of silly delusions and wishful thinking.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
36. You can't address
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 01:44 PM
Jan 2016

the actual quoted errors and failures on Silver's part so as usual, your type resorts to insult us Sanders supporters as being naive, wishful thinkers, and full of silly delusions.

Thanks for letting me know who you are and how you think.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
37. Theirs are hardly the only flaws in analysis
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 01:53 PM
Jan 2016

here, but note that they are continually and eagerly accepting and analyzing new information.

marble falls

(57,075 posts)
10. Don't hold on to your and Hilliary Clinton's illusions too long, we have a Teapublican...
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 10:01 AM
Jan 2016

Congress to fix up.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
30. What a great picture of him, actually. If he is
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 04:58 PM
Jan 2016

in the Senate next year I am comfortable that he will be fighting with the White House to enact change he and Hillary both want.

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