PP is under siege, but spare us the claims that HRC isn't 'establishment'

[geek tragedy]

I'm not saying they don't do great work, or that they don't deserve support, or that they're doing anything wrong in their current approach.

But they're definitely establishmentarian.

Check out their corporate partners:

http://www.hrc.org/hrc-story/corporate-partners

Banks, Militiary Industrial Complex, Big Pharm, Tech, Big Carbon.

Again, pursuing alliances with big companies is probably a perfectly legit strategy for an org advocating for the rights of GLBT workers.

But, when you list Northrop Grumman and Microsoft as partners, you're part of the establishment.

[NorthCarolina]

1. Single payer under Sanders would shrink their need, and likewise their income.

It is logical for them to side with the candidate that they know will not make changes to healthcare delivery that would affect their business model. PP is no different than any other organization that hopes to maintain it's footing and relevancy.

[sufrommich]

4. Disgusting conspiracy bullshit. nt

[Wilms]

23. "Disgusting" "conspiracy" "bullshit"

One fail wasn't enough? You had to do a triple?

My favorite: "Conspiracy". That's like calling someone a "Libtard".

[ieoeja]

5. Hillary keeps enemies list. Sanders does not. Hillary supports abortion limits. Sanders does not.

If Sanders wins, they will receive full, unequivocal support despite their endorsement of Clinton.

If Clinton wins, she would remember their failure to endorse her and support them only as long as it did not cost her any political capital.

Endorsing Clinton made perfect sense. I have no problem with that.

[Mike__M]

33. That makes sense

Kind of like like professing belief in god, just in case he's real.

[HERVEPA]

27. Clearly bullshit. You know nothing about Planned Parenthood.

[Kalidurga]

28. Nope

Sure the business model might change. They would have to or they could if they wanted to expand their model and change their name. They could become family medical centers or just call themselves medical clinics and treat everything that doesn't require a big hospital to treat.

[emulatorloo]

30. Planned Parenthood would most likely continue as a provider under single payer.

[NorthCarolina]

31. Probably so, but certainly at a dimished level, especially if no focus is placed on

a shift in their operations to the new reality.

[sufrommich]

2. If PP didn't take corporate donations they'd have

to close clinics for lack of funds. Fuck this purity bullshit.

[geek tragedy]

9. I'm not talking about PP in this post. I think calling PP part of the entrenched

establishment is 100% wrongheaded.

[randome]

13. The initials 'HRC' are causing confusion in posts on this topic. Not your fault.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]No squirrels were harmed in the making of this post. Yet.[/center][/font][hr]

[sufrommich]

15. There isn't one group,one union,one democratic

representative that Sanders supporters haven't dragged through the mud and now the Sanders campaign is playing along. Fuck that bullshit.

[geek tragedy]

17. Oh, I agree. There's definitely a sense of entitlement--if someone doesn't endorse Bernie,

that must be due to corruption and malfeasance, yada yada.

[morningfog]

3. Fully agree. And Sanders campaign, to my knowledge, did not say anything about PP

being the establishment. The campaign's comment was with respect to HRC.

[redstateblues]

7. Wrong. He did.

[morningfog]

19. Please provide a link. I've been wrong before. I missed it if the campaign did it.

[redstateblues]

22. here ya go

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/1/20/1472353/-Bernie-Sanders-We-re-taking-on-the-political-establishment-like-Planned-Parenthood

[morningfog]

24. Well he does say "some of these groups"

in his response to all the endorsements HIllary has. If he meant to include PP as one of those political establishment orgs, I would have to disagree with him on that.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. What is wrong with a glbtg person working

What is wrong with a glbtgq person or any member of a group , not of the majority, working for a Fortune 500 company?


Heck, I want to see them become the CEO.

[redstateblues]

10. On DU anyone who gets a paycheck from a corporation is a

corporatist. Taking money from corporations-evil

[geek tragedy]

12. Nothing. That was not my point, nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. GLBTQ people are a big buying block. Those corporations want their business./nt

[geek tragedy]

16. and they represent a large share of the employee talent pool.

Microsoft can't afford to lose talented employees to Apple and Google, etc.

[bigtree]

8. this looks like you're advocating against HRC

What's 'establishmentarian' about their conduct?

HumanRightsCampaign @HRC
We share @PPact's disappointment in Sanders' attacks. @HRC has proudly taken on the establishment & fought for LGBT people for over 30 years

[geek tragedy]

11. No. I think the Sanders campaign's whining about the HRC endorsement of .. . HRC was

really petty, bitter, and small.

They do good work.

But they've taken an approach of working with the corporate establishment to advance GLBT rights. I think that's a smart strategy, and it's really paid off.

But, every strategy has its potential downsides.

[seaglass]

20. What is the downside geek? I don't get it. n/t

[geek tragedy]

21. get too cozy with the establishment, the tendency becomes to be less likely to challenge

the establishment

[emulatorloo]

34. Totally understand your argument. That being said the problem I see is the tendency >here< to

label advocacy groups like HRC, PP, and other groups that do good work as 'establishment' and then use that label to dismiss and denigrate the good work they do. Or go so far as to imply the groups are actually sinister, corrupt or worse.

That sentence was too long, sorry. Hope meaning came through.

[tammywammy]

25. HRC puts out their equality scores

Big corporations like the one I work for, encourage diversity in the workplace. They want GLBT individuals to know they won't be discriminated against in the workplace. The company I work for has a 100% score from HRC. I don't know if they give money to HRC, they may, and they are one of those companies that DU detests. But they have Pride groups, which I'm a member of, they put floats in the Pride parades, have GLBT diversity events at work up to the corporate level, etc.

[geek tragedy]

26. that validates HRC's approach to achieving equality. nt

[tammywammy]

29. I wasn't disagreeing, just giving more info for others

In case others wonder why these big corporations give them money. I'm a donor to HRC, and while I think they e let down the GLBT community in some areas, I do agree with their approach to increasing diversity in the workplace.

[Blue_Tires]

18. Everyone is part of the fucking "Establishment"

You don't get to be big if you aren't -- It's as simple as that...

DemocraticUnderground.com is part of the fucking "Establishment"

Even this subhuman piece of shit parroting the same talking point is as "Establishment" as it gets (even though he tries to deny it)

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/689850442080198656

So in the span of a week, PP, HRC, Howard Dean, Paul Krugman and Ta-nehisi Coates find themselves under the DU bus...

No matter what happens, when this primary is over Skinner's gonna have to splinter DU off onto a *third* branch...

[closeupready]

32. Thank you. She was a Republican, a Goldwater Girl, on Walmart's Board of Directors,

and served as Senator from my state, one of the original 13 colonies. For a US public official, that's just about as trademarked a record as any Establishment figure can get.

[geek tragedy]

35. HRC here=Human Rights Campaign.

Is anyone doubting that Clinton is part of the establishment?

[closeupready]

36. Oops, you're right. I misread that.

Thanks.