I don't know about others but I would like the next Dem in the WH to be able to serve a 2nd term.

[Bill USA]

[elleng]

1. Yes. This is what leadership looks like:

https://www.facebook.com/MartinOMalley/videos/10156577021405393/?theater

[Agschmid]

3. Yes...

And they potentially all could.

[EdwardBernays]

4. I assume

This is about Hillary getting indicted?

[Bill USA]

7. Thank you FOX network

[snoringvoter]

16. It's not about Benghazi.

Read it. And it's not a right-wing attack if it involves the FBI. Facts aren't bombs, just plain truth,

[Bill USA]

20. Despite republican claims, there is no FBI investigation of Hillary Clinton

THE GOP deal in innuendo NOT FACTS. This is the well known technique of Joe McCarthy. It's reprehensible and a typical Republican campaign technique used in demonizing their opponents - especially the ones they fear the most.

I refuse to believe Democrats would use this contemptible rhetoric against another Democrat or against a Republican politician.


http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/there-is-no-fbi-investigation-of-hillary-clinton/22894/

Now that Hillary Clinton has emerged from eleven hours of Benghazi and email testimony unscathed, and the supposed scandal appears to have been all put put to bed in the minds of the American mainstream, some republican candidates and conservative voters alike are still saying “Just wait for the FBI investigation of Hillary Clinton to play out.” Here’s the catch: there is no FBI investigation of Clinton. In fact there never was one. And the FBI has publicly said as much.

The FBI is running a wide reaching investigation into whether the private email servers that were installed by Hillary Clinton and her predecessors Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice were more secure than the official email server at the State Department. This requires examining the servers in question, which is why all three Secretaries of State were asked to provide their servers for testing. Thus far only Clinton has obliged. If any charges were to be filed, they would be against hackers. In such case Clinton would be classified as the victim of a crime. In other words, the FBI is running an investigation on her behalf, not an investigation into her. And that’s not merely my view.

For its part, the FBI confirmed to the New York Times back in August that Hillary Clinton “is not a target of the investigation.” Republicans in congress tacitly confirmed this today by not trying to play up the angle of the FBI supposedly charging with Clinton with some kind of imagined crime, because they know that no such thing is on the table.

On the other hand, several republican candidates for President are making this false claim in the hopes that it may help them in their primary race, even while knowing that they’ll eventually look foolish once the FBI investigation concludes and the agency once again confirms that it was never an investigation of Clinton. In the mean time, any republican voters who are still clinging to their ‘FBI will put Hillary in prison” theory are relying on what can only be described as false hope based in factually-disproven fiction.

[draa]

53. ----

http://legalbroadcastnetwork.com/the-lbn-blog/2016/1/12/fbi-expands-investigation-of-hillary-clinton-emails-for-corruption

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/fbi-reportedly-expanding-investigation-hillary-202642171.html

http://www.engadget.com/2016/01/11/fbi-broadens-investigation-into-clinton-emails/

http://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-hillary-clinton-email-investigation-2016-1

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-clinton-emails-idUSKCN0UP1XC20160111

Ok, you showed one link to a site nobody's heard of and I'm showing 5 from credible news agencies.

There is an investigation of Clinton under way by the FBI. Just stop lying to people because the truth is out there. People can see it for themselves.

[Bill USA]

66. SOP of GOP McCarthyist tactics- investigation doesn't mean anybody (e.g. HRC) did anything wrong

This is Standard McCAarthyist tactics of repeating that there is an investigation therefore somebody is already determined to be guilty of something.

The investigation is into how materials - some of them classified (NOT AT THE TIME THEY WERE SENT TO CLINTON by DoS personnel BUT CLASSFIED AFTER THE FACT. In my experience people arean't generally guilty of mishandling information that was not classified at the time they received it. LOL

Myths And Facts On Hillary Clinton's Email And Reports Of "Top Secret" Materials
http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/08/12/myths-and-facts-on-hillary-clintons-email-and-r/204913

FACT: None Of The Emails Sent To Clinton Were Labeled As "Classified" Or "Top Secret"

FACT: Emails Originated In State Dept. System, And Questions About Retroactive Classification Would Have Occurred Regardless Of Clinton's Server Use

Emails Originated With State Department Employees And Were Forwarded To Clinton. The State Department's statement on the retroactive "top secret" designation made clear that the emails at issue originated with State Department employees, not Clinton herself:

The following is attributable to Spokesperson John Kirby:

[div class="excerpt" style="border:1px solid #000000;" ]"The State Department takes seriously its obligations to protect sensitive information, holding its employees to a high standard of compliance with regulations and procedures.

"The Intelligence Community has recommended that portions of two of the four emails identified by the Intelligence Community's Inspector General should be upgraded to the Top Secret level. Department employees circulated these emails on unclassified systems in 2009 and 2011 and ultimately some were forwarded to Secretary Clinton. They were not marked as classified.

"These emails have not been released to the public. While we work with the Director of National Intelligence to resolve whether, in fact, this material is actually classified, we are taking steps to ensure the information is protected and stored appropriately." (Twitter.com, 8/11/15)

FACT: Experts Have Debunked Any Comparison Between Clinton's Email Use And David Petraeus' Crimes

FACT: IG Referral To Justice Department Was Not Criminal, And FBI Isn't Targeting Clinton Herself
Wash. Post: Officials Say Clinton "Is Not A Target" Of FBI Probe. The Washington Post reported that government officials said Clinton is "not a target" of the FBI's investigation:

[div class="excerpt" style="border: 1px solid #000000;"]Hillary Rodham Clinton's attorney has agreed to provide the FBI with the private server that housed her e-mail during her four years as secretary of state, Clinton's presidential campaign said Tuesday.

(...)

The inquiry by the FBI is considered preliminary and appears to be focused on ensuring the proper handling of classified material. Officials have said that Clinton, the Democratic presidential front-runner, is not a target.

The FBI's efforts have included contacting the Denver-based technology firm that helped manage the Clintons' unusual private ­e-mail system. (The Washington Post, 8/11/15)
(much more)


The Hillary Clinton Email scandal that isn't

Does Hillary Clinton have a serious legal problem because she may have transmitted classified information on her private e-mail server? After talking with a half-dozen knowledgeable lawyers, I think this “scandal” is overstated. Using the server was a self-inflicted wound by Clinton, but it’s not something a prosecutor would take to court.

“It’s common” that people end up using unclassified systems to transmit classified information, said Jeffrey Smith, a former CIA general counsel who’s now a partner at Arnold & Porter, where he often represents defendants suspected of misusing classified information.

“There are always these back channels,” Smith explained. “It’s inevitable, because the classified systems are often cumbersome and lots of people have access to the classified e-mails or cables.” People who need quick guidance about a sensitive matter often pick up the phone or send a message on an open system. They shouldn’t, but they do.

“It’s common knowledge that the classified communications system is impossible and isn’t used,” said one former high-level Justice Department official. Several former prosecutors said flatly that such sloppy, unauthorized practices, although technically violations of law, wouldn’t normally lead to criminal cases.
(more)

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[draa]

67. Deny if you want but when she's indicted I'll laugh like hell.

[stevenleser]

18. Nope, sounds like a pitch for O'Malley. And a wrongheaded one. nt

[Ken Burch]

49. I so wish we had an "Oh, SNAP!" smilie.

That one definitely deserved it.

[Live and Learn]

69. Here you go:

[Live and Learn]

68. ROFL

[arcane1]

5. Here's hoping they deserve it and get re-elected!

[grasswire]

8. four years Bernie/OMalley, then eight years OMalley.

I really like that.

[Runningdawg]

9. Dream Team

n/t

[CorporatistNation]

12. There IS A Reasonable Probability of This As You Assert... ONLY Possibility Out of 2016!

[restorefreedom]

10. who says any of them cant? nt

[loyalsister]

58. I'm sure it's possible

But the odds are against 2 of them remaining in good health through 2 terms. "The exception disproves the rule" is never a smart gambit.
O'Malley as a running mate to take over in 2020 is a pretty good way to resolve that.

[restorefreedom]

62. yes, longer odds for them

but i am not sure i am keen on going in with the intent to serve only one term, as some are suggesting. i think i would like to see them go for it, and then if health forces a step down, then there is someone capable there. i think we are past the days where we would have someone in reagan's condition and either not know or not speak up to get the veep in.

om would be an excellent choice to take over and then he would follow with a fantastic term i have no doubt.

[morningfog]

11. Then let's not nominate someone with a history of brain clots,

confusion, concussions and hosptializations.

Get lost with this bullshit.

[riversedge]

22. I expect that from a RW site -not on a Dem Board. Shame on you.

[morningfog]

25. Shame on you are yours for starting down that path.

When you sling mud, you get dirty.

Do you deny that hillary has had brain clots, hospitalizations, concussions and confusion?

[nc4bo]

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[morningfog]

31. That wasn't even close...

To my most offensive post tonight. Thanks for posting results.

[nc4bo]

33. Nope and yw. nt

[2pooped2pop]

54. why? it's absolutely true

Just use google. Her father also died of stroke. Heart diaease is part of her family history.
So please quit comparing duers that don't fawn over Hillary with repulsive republican.

[Tanuki]

24. "Brain clots"? I am not aware of any candidate having a history of "brain clots."

I am aware of the misinformation another poster planted in several other threads, which he later admitted after a great deal of dissembling to be based on poor understanding of the contents of the letter HRC's physician wrote. I am also aware of Karl Rove's baseless assertion of "brain damage." Perhaps you are not referring to HRC at all and have some inside information about one of the other candidates. I would suggest that you either provide evidence of what you assert or modify your post accordingly.

On the other hand, I actually agree with your last line.

[morningfog]

32. To be accurate, Hillary had a blood clot in her brain.

[Tanuki]

45. Wrong again. To be accurate,

she did have a blood clot, not IN the brain, but in the vein BETWEEN the brain and the skull, behind her right ear. This was successfully resolved by treatment with a blood thinner. The clot resulted when she fell and struck her head while dehydrated from a stomach virus. According to her doctors, there was no stroke or residual neurological damage, and she made a full recovery.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/31/politics/hillary-clinton-hospitalized/index.html

[2pooped2pop]

56. and it was determined that it could have

Been life threatening as is any clot that moves from the leg and lodges in the brain or lung. She has to be on coumadin which itself can cause fatal bleeding.

[Tanuki]

57. You again? Aren't you the same genius who huffily told me "this conversation is over"

after I corrected your erroneous claim on another thread that Clinton had a history of "two brain aneurisms (sic)" ? Back again to teach us more about the brain, after your hilarious assertion on that thread that "clots often result in anuersym (sic)"? I see you are now trying to shift attention away from inaccurate information you and others are posting about Clinton's "history", to speculation about what "could have been." OK, now that you have changed your mind about the conversation being over, have you fixed the errors/falsehoods from your other threads, or are you still pouting and refusing to do so until I "apologize" to you for pointing out that you were spreading false information?
Clinton is indeed taking Coumadin. I would hazard a guess that she is having regular protime checks and that her risk of "fatal bleeding" is considerably less than you wish to imply.

[2pooped2pop]

64. Blood clots can be life threatening

so can strokes
so can heart disease
so can Coumadin therapy

Yes, I did use the word aneurysm. I had been using blood clots but the site that one of your Hillary supporters sent me too said aneurysm, so I changed it.

You called me a LIAR that I had not seen the report that I linked you too, then stuck on the aneurysm error. (which I still believe was on the report I viewed, or I would not have switched to that from blood clots) Yes blood clots in the brain can most certainly lead to aneurysm. You really need to try to look stuff up before you call names. I suppose that is a Hill trait you might admire, but still.

I did not huffily tell you this conversation is over. I tell that to all the Hill supporters who keep responding with the same ol same ol. Over and over, calling names and weathervaning. I give you the last word to end the ridiculous conversation. Otherwise it will go on forever and just get dumber and dumber as it does.

I am not pouting about your refusal to apologize for your name calling. As a Hillary supporter, I knew damn good and well that none was coming. I just wanted to clue you in that you were out of line, as you well knew.

So that this does not go on forever I will tell you again, go ahead and have the last word but we both know that her medical history puts her at high risk for the job she is seeking. Or for any job for that matter. You are just angry because once the Hills brought up Bernie's age, you were schooled.

Bye bye now bunny. Is that an easy enough goodbye for your pitiful lil feelings. I wouldn't want you to think I was being huffy to you again. Some Hillary suporters sure do follow their leader and go from "I am woman hear me roar" to "poor lil me, I'm just a woman." pretty damn quick. As the weathervane turns and all.

so goodbye again. I will try not to respond to your further posts as long as you keep me out of them.

And here is your chance, take the last word. Bye bye bunny.

[Tanuki]

65. Yep, no huffiness or pouting,lol. You are still misrepresenting our previous exchange

and will no doubt continue to do so to try to save face. I am not sure why you continue yammering on and on about strokes and heart disease, neither of which Clinton has or has had in the past. The only thing worth responding to in your latest post is to correct your obvious and ongoing misunderstanding of the concept of an aneurysm, for the benefit of any readers who might be under the impression that you know what you are talking about. You would benefit from reading up on the subject yourself, if you actually have an interest in learning something and wish to avoid embarrassing yourself any further:

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/156993.php

[2pooped2pop]

55. no I used the word anuerisym instead of clots

That's true but her having clots, rather than anuerisyms plus being on long term or life long blood thinning medication, her father dying of stroke and having a genetic history of heart disease is all completely true and puts her at high risk.

Try to be more clear next time.

[Samantha]

48. A agree with the two comments directly below mine

Shame on you.

Sam

[PowerToThePeople]

13. Ageism

& trash thread.

[MH1]

19. More like healthism. nt

[loyalsister]

60. Or maybe recognition of reality?

The oldest president we have had within the past 40 yrs. left the WH with Alzheimer's (I'm not aware of how long he likely had it). Bernie is older and Hillary is the same age.
It is a fact that our bodies break down with age. Denying it is impractical and potentially desctructive when it comes to entrusting individuals with a gruelling job.

[vkkv]

14. HHmmm, this is what I think about it::

[Motown_Johnny]

15. Me too, and I can't see Hillary having any shot at getting reelected.

Her negatives are already way above her positives.

No way she can hold up for 4 years.

[whatchamacallit]

17. Two terms of HRC helping to cement oligarchic rule would finish this country

Two terms of Bernie would rock tho.

[artislife]

21. Then don't vote for h.

She won't even get a first term.

[Beacool]

36. As if Sanders will..........

[artislife]

41. I even feel a litte sad for the you all. nt

[libdem4life]

23. No, you don't know about me. I'm assuming you're not from hardy stock. Every elder on

both sides of my family live past 90. That's the way it often is with healthy families. I also know families where the 50 year olds couldn't run to catch a train, too.

Nine months of intense campaigning and he seems to be getting more energy than ever.

Your ageism sucks. There are examples of famous people all around you...if you dared to look. Then there are non-famous people...see paragraph one. It's also well-known that people who end up fulfilling their life goals live longer, sometimes much longer.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/22/celebrities-in-their-80s_n_3720930.html

[elehhhhna]

28. Bernies only like 5 years older than Hillary

And trumps 69

[Beacool]

34. Actually, he's six years older.

[libdem4life]

38. Well, there you have it. Geriatric fail. Find something else, please. If not for

Bernie, for the many Boomers online here. See, we're in our 60s now so don't mess with us. 70s is a piece of cake. And some of us, like Bernie, can run to catch a train. I know it's hard to imagine, but trust me, we can.

Ageism sucks.

[Samantha]

50. You are correct -- ageism is a discrimination the same as sexual, racial, LGBT prejudice

And the really disappointing thing to me is how many young people openly practice ageism. It is shocking really.

Sam

[libdem4life]

63. Well, back in the 60s one of our mantras was...Never trust anyone over 30.

Nothing new under the sun. Solomon

[enid602]

51. FDR

He lives in the FDR era.

[libdem4life]

37. Boggles the mind...I know. But I remember back in the day when I thought

30 was over the hill...LOL

[loyalsister]

61. There are 90 yr olds who have smoked their entire adult lives in every committed smoker's family

Average life span stats have real predictive value, because it is natural to wear out and die over time.

[Le Taz Hot]

26. Annnnnd another one.

You guys are coming out of the sewer lines tonight.

<flush>

[2pooped2pop]

27. Which is another reason to exclude Hillary

Multiple instances of blood clots, a genetic preponderance of heart disease and stroke coupled with longterm coumadin therapy makes her very high risk IMO.

[Myrina]

29. Well, I sorta think that's a crappy sentiment ..

... because as others have stated, she's not under investigation or indictment ... it does, however, raise the larger spectre of never ending investigations and bullshittery from the RW - akin to the endless ACA repeal votes & stupidity about POTUS birth certif.

And with Bill back in the spotlight, "scandal search" would be in hyperdrive.

We just don't need 4 or 8 more years of that kind of side shows.

[Beacool]

35. I see that some, as usual, are attacking Hillary.

She's in good health and her mother lived until her early 90s. I'm not worried about her health.

[libdem4life]

39. No, you were expounding on ageism...70s...one foot on a banana peel. LOLOLOL

Maybe in your family, but not in mine or Bernie's. Get a new attack line, K?

[Beacool]

40. What the hell are you talking about?

I didn't start this thread. Do I think that 75 years old is too old to start a first term? Yes, I have said so in the past. I have also said that Hillary at 69 would be barely making it under the wire. She would be the second oldest president, after Reagan.

[libdem4life]

42. I'm not sure, but it seems to this older lady, that you just answered your own question.

Under the wire.....LOLOLOL....what and whose Wire would that be?

Stop it with the age crap. You know, clearly, nothing of which you write.

[Iggo]

43. Is this about the candidate who's six years older than the other candidate?

[libdem4life]

44. Boggles the mind, no?

[bigwillq]

46. Is Hillary sick? (nt)

[Luminous Animal]

47. My boss is 80 years old. He walks/jogs to work every day. He is the creative force for

an extra-ordinary business is the last of it's kind on earth. He works all day, each day, mostly coming in before anyone is there and staying after when everyone leaves. He is a master pressman and can, still, at 80 years old, put in entire consecutive days of physical labor running the presses. He also works nearly every weekend day.

He travels the world and gives lectures, talks, and presentations.

He hasn't spent one day off of work for illness in 50 years. And, as required by the board of directors, his doctor gives him a clean bill of health every year.

[Kalidurga]

52. My great grandfather was still splitting wood well into his 80's.

He never slowed down, well until he did. Unfortunately his decline was rapid when he got into his 90's.

[99Forever]

59. Don't worry your purdy lil head.

President Sanders would likely make it 3 or 4 terms if it were still allowed.