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You have to give Clinton credit for her honesty. (Original Post) Live and Learn Jan 2016 OP
Lol 2pooped2pop Jan 2016 #1
I DO give her credit for her honesty. cheapdate Jan 2016 #2
And, I have no idea how what you list is competitive in the Democratic Party. stillwaiting Jan 2016 #4
It does. Hard to believe this is my party sometimes. nt Live and Learn Jan 2016 #7
Because her conception of politics, government, the economy, etc. cheapdate Jan 2016 #8
How do you feel about the issues polling that points to Americans holding stillwaiting Jan 2016 #9
Speaking of honesty, this OP is the opposite of it. Metric System Jan 2016 #3
That's not fair. Z_California Jan 2016 #5
That is true. I should have said CAN'T DO much. nt Live and Learn Jan 2016 #6

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
2. I DO give her credit for her honesty.
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 08:23 PM
Jan 2016

She's pretty clear, to me anyway, where she stands. She's of the "American exceptionalism" school and believes that the U.S. has a duty to impose American-style democracy and capitalism on "less developed" countries around the world. She is clear about this in word and deed. She is "hawkish" on matters of "national security". She would continue expansion of the national security apparatus and considers Edward Snowden a criminal who should be prosecuted. She's spoken clearly on this as well. She defends a close relationship between business and private enterprise and the state.

She is what she is.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
8. Because her conception of politics, government, the economy, etc.
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 11:46 PM
Jan 2016

is the same familiar story that generations of Americans have been raised on.

The same bland stories of American greatness. We're (Americans) awash in it from the time we learn to talk until we graduate into the world.

When was the last time Americans elected a "radical" for president? I appreciate a lot of what FDR was able to do, but this is not 1932. I'm not personally arguing that Sanders is a "radical" but to plenty of ordinary Americans that's the perception.

Hillary is the "status quo" -- i.e. she believes that the basic outlines of our way of government, our economic system, our "way of life" are essentially sound and need only to be tweaked here and there.

I think that's just close to what a lot of other American's believe. (not me, I've become seriously "radicalized" over the years. My hero is Derrick Jensen and I've become something of an eco-anarchist at heart.)

A lot of ordinary Americans, even Democrats, are actually fairly conservative in a lot of ways. Definitely more so than the average DUer.

That's how it seems to me.

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
9. How do you feel about the issues polling that points to Americans holding
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 07:57 AM
Jan 2016

the progressive values/positions on issues? On issue after issue a majority of Americans want to do just about everything that Bernie stands for.

We seem to be told over and over that we are a center-right nation, but issues polling never seems to back that up to my mind. The center-right nation seems to be part of the propaganda to me.

I do agree, however, that we are awash with people that truly believe America is exceptional. I just don't know that this necessarily translates to being conservative or even center-right. Americans have to see through the media that will paint a picture of Sanders being a radical over and over and over again to see that the positions Sanders holds align very well with the positions that most Americans hold. I feel it is our job to help Americans see through the media's attempts and with social media we have a definite chance to do so.

Bernie is only a "radical" in the U.S. because our Establishment and elected officials govern firmly from the right. The entire conversation of what is "possible" occurs within a right-wing to center-right framework (except on social issues).



Z_California

(650 posts)
5. That's not fair.
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 09:04 PM
Jan 2016

She's promised to "roll up her sleeves". Which I'm guessing means lower taxcuts for the wealthy, smaller cuts to Social Security, and saying more things like "cut it out" to Wall Street Banksters than we would get from a Republican President.

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