2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumYou have to give Clinton credit for her honesty.
Not many candidates admit they CAN'T Do anything.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)Too funny.
cheapdate
(3,811 posts)She's pretty clear, to me anyway, where she stands. She's of the "American exceptionalism" school and believes that the U.S. has a duty to impose American-style democracy and capitalism on "less developed" countries around the world. She is clear about this in word and deed. She is "hawkish" on matters of "national security". She would continue expansion of the national security apparatus and considers Edward Snowden a criminal who should be prosecuted. She's spoken clearly on this as well. She defends a close relationship between business and private enterprise and the state.
She is what she is.
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)It boggles my mind.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)cheapdate
(3,811 posts)is the same familiar story that generations of Americans have been raised on.
The same bland stories of American greatness. We're (Americans) awash in it from the time we learn to talk until we graduate into the world.
When was the last time Americans elected a "radical" for president? I appreciate a lot of what FDR was able to do, but this is not 1932. I'm not personally arguing that Sanders is a "radical" but to plenty of ordinary Americans that's the perception.
Hillary is the "status quo" -- i.e. she believes that the basic outlines of our way of government, our economic system, our "way of life" are essentially sound and need only to be tweaked here and there.
I think that's just close to what a lot of other American's believe. (not me, I've become seriously "radicalized" over the years. My hero is Derrick Jensen and I've become something of an eco-anarchist at heart.)
A lot of ordinary Americans, even Democrats, are actually fairly conservative in a lot of ways. Definitely more so than the average DUer.
That's how it seems to me.
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)the progressive values/positions on issues? On issue after issue a majority of Americans want to do just about everything that Bernie stands for.
We seem to be told over and over that we are a center-right nation, but issues polling never seems to back that up to my mind. The center-right nation seems to be part of the propaganda to me.
I do agree, however, that we are awash with people that truly believe America is exceptional. I just don't know that this necessarily translates to being conservative or even center-right. Americans have to see through the media that will paint a picture of Sanders being a radical over and over and over again to see that the positions Sanders holds align very well with the positions that most Americans hold. I feel it is our job to help Americans see through the media's attempts and with social media we have a definite chance to do so.
Bernie is only a "radical" in the U.S. because our Establishment and elected officials govern firmly from the right. The entire conversation of what is "possible" occurs within a right-wing to center-right framework (except on social issues).
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(6,048 posts)Z_California
(650 posts)She's promised to "roll up her sleeves". Which I'm guessing means lower taxcuts for the wealthy, smaller cuts to Social Security, and saying more things like "cut it out" to Wall Street Banksters than we would get from a Republican President.